theotherphil

Funny, I find Letstorquebhp to be very accurate. It is within a midgies dick of what my AP22 records. EG:

LTBHP predicts 11.64s 0-100 and the AP22 records 11.8secs
LTBHP predicts 7.29s 60-100 and the AP22 records 7.45secs
LTBHP predicts 4.35s 0-60 and the AP22 records 4.67secs


I dare say I could achieve the theoretical figures if I were a little more brutal!

Dspeed

Fitted a VTS with a Pipercross viper 2nite. Maybe now 125 ish BHP. Still dosnt some close to my UK turbo.
VTS @ 160 BHP = Manifold, decat, system, Induction upgrade, Cams and a remap.
Fitting full system and maniflold next month!

pete higham

my mate used to have 1 of the fastest saxos in the world it was tuned by a guy called john dalton up in dumfries scoland it was supercharged/nos/it had the full works cut a long story short

we pulled on to a dual near us and lo and behold were sat next to a classic sti (we got are ***** kicked all over) i was pmsl

saxos vs scooby...........get a life

as clarkson says you want to make a fast car you have to start with a fast car......the saxo isnt

Bubba po

There appear to be two camps on this thread:The draggers and the drivers.

LG John

John also worked on Matt Dales white supercharged VTS which I raced at crail with my classic scooby with circa 275bhp (john was driving the vts actually) His vts was running sh*t that day and I beat him because of my perfect launch but once we were rolling he was catching me fast and would have passed me at some rate of knots with more road (remember this was running bad!) He would have similarly mullered up to around 310bhp in a classic shape scooby when on the move.

Using the letstorque figures which I also find to be accurate:

6.7s to 60 subtracted from 16.7 to 100 = 60-100mph time of 10s dead for the 160bhp saxo.

5.3 to 60 subtracted from 14.5 to 100 = 9.2 60-100mph for the standard classic.

That is going to be close!! Standard classic scoobys are NOT fast!!!! (so by default neither is a saxo). My 3.0 V6 406 kept up with not one, not two, but three classics in three seperate incidents when rolling from 45mph upwards and it could only just crawl past my mates saxo which as a 120bhp MKI was slower than my 130bhp MKII saxo.

I also had a massive argument on here years ago because I said my VTS could match a 172 (non-cup) from 0-100mph. I was laughed at despite the fact I had the same race with my workmate's 172 most evenings. So I went to Crail where I raced a 172 owner from here, who still posts here, and I beat him. We accept that overall the 172 is a slightly faster car but he reluctantly admitted (as did others in the thread) that the vts was waaaaaaaay quicker than you'd think. The countless 172 vs scoboy threads have finally convinced you that the clio is a problem against lower end turbo scoobs when rolling and on the basis my vts matched 172 then.........


.........it's still french

pete higham

johns own vts is an absolute monster it has to much power....the first time i went in the vts i was amazed how much power it had (been in his vtr to) but john is a proper racing driver and he really nows how to drive

wrxfox

i had a lightly modded vts b4 my first scooby ate vr6 golfs ctr's straights and corners handled like a dream so chuckable brilliant balance was not planning to sell it but a workmate was selling his turbo2000 with dawes and backbox.went for the scoob of course on following him back to his house coming out of a junction still rolling he nailed his in i was anticaipating and ready stuck to his bumper (or my bumper both my cars)first and secondgear b4 braking he was v.shocked.still miss the vts in many ways redlinedit and beyond for 40,000 miles it loved it .handled better than scoob as quick as standard scoob in straight line once rolling .scoob has better grip feel more secure doing 130+ four doors for the sprogs and can fit a double buggy in boot .im on my second scoob but watch for vts's with right driver

Dream Weaver

Its a funny thread this, and everything seems to be based on "0-60", "quarter mile" and "I did him on a dual carriageway".

Get yourself on some normal A and B roads and see if there is any massive difference. I always take the 205 on the Scoob runs up here in the Yorkshire Dales and as yet have never had a problem keeping up with any of the Scoobs, or even passing some when required And that was on my old 160bhp knackered engine.

The new spec should keep up no worries on an actual run, drag runs/0-60 mean nothing.

Gutmann pug

I dont do meets .......reminds me too much of maccy dee's car park.

I can be found at the ring with the 205 pretty often or round and about UK tracks with my camera.

TREG

LOL,Fair enough mate.

brybusa

I bought a standard UK Turbo back in 2003,I found it a bit of a disappointment TBH

awful brakes, loads of under steer, poor direction change at speed, wallowy.

Certainly not what I would call a good handling car.

'kin brakes where the worst, lasted 10mins of hard use, bloody dangerous....

They may be nippy, but there not quick, maybe quicker than most things to 60MPH, but it took years to reach an indicated 150MPH

I can well imagine a VT whatever giving a standard UK model scoob a run for its money, even around the twisties

However, Im still here on scoobynet which says a lot about the cars and scoobynet, I would love a “sorted” WRX or STi next to my bike, theres just something about having a rally based motor that appeals to the inner child in me.

So Saxo VT wotever’s just have no appeal no matter what ££ they’ve flung at it..Dont most saxo owners want a scoob anyway??!!

LG John

Probably but the difference in running costs are simply massive. I just could not believe how much more it costs to own the scooby in terms of fuel, servicing, tyres and insurance. We've all got to start somewhere

ade_sti

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I had a VTS with approx 160 @ the fly (owned for 4 years), and yes is was a mad little thing, 0- 60 just under 7 seconds and I recon 0 - 100 in about 19. It was quick for a 1600 N/A car but not against an impreza even a standard one, in a straight line! Mine had bilstein GMC suspension kit and I do recon on the twisties in the dry it would be close. However in the wet an impreza would kill one. I owned an STI Prodrive and now a classic impreza so I feel that I can comment on this

The two cars are very different, don't know why people keep tryin to compare hot hatches with cars in different leagues. My mate has a 182 with cup packs, he thinks his car is the fastest in the world! I pull away from him every time and by 3rd gear he is a small car in my mirror (I have 280 bhp mind). VTS's are good for what they are, just like my mates 182, but a modded imnpreza is a different league.

Think I am going to go on the Ferrari Club site and go on about how my imprezza could give a 355 a run for it's money. even if it did I would still rather have a Ferari!

LG John

You must have had a total dog!!!!!! My standard VTS was knocking on 19s to 100mph. What ice, body kit and alloys did you have?

As for your mate in the 182 race him from 3rd gear up - you'll pull away but he won't become a dot.

ade_sti

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VTS's standard do around 0-100 in 22 secs mate. My 0-100 time was approx, as have no really accurate timing gear.

Never said he would be a dot ' he is a small car in my mirror' - sorry to tell you but his car does. I owned a 172 cup as well so am not slagin them off, they are ace cars. Amazin how you can tell my car was a dog without even seeing it, bit uncalled for.

GrahamG

SAXO!! whatever!

ewanrw

the letstorquebhp site figures for the WRX PPP don't macth the figures on the prodrive site.

what ones are we to believe ??

ewan

GrahamG

Saxo's are ****e and their drivers full of ****e!!

lol

LG John

22 seconds is the tested figure for the MKI's. As you probably know citroen released a significant number of VTS that were regularly hitting 130bhp at the fly which gave then a 0-100mph time of nearer 20 seconds dead. These are the VTS's that would only drop bawhairs to the 172 (non-cups). I never put my vts on the rollers but I played with many 19-20 second cars and matched them inch for inch.

My ex-flatemate recently decided he was going to change his VTS for a clio williams. I said it wouldn't be any faster whatsoever and that I'd 'raced' one when I had my VTS and it was a tie. He quoted figures. I quoted facts. He arranged through a friend of a friend to go out in a guys williams one night. He loved the clio but when they had a bypass battle they were neck and neck and his ideas of a 'performance' upgrade went out the window.

You're guestimate of 19s is very conservative IMHO. My 406 was 19s to 100mph and a 160bhp saxo/106 gti would have comfortably mullered it especially from 0-60.

As I said earlier I raced a 160bhp 106 gti at crail in October and missed the lights when up and moving he was as hard to catch as a standard classic scooby.

The other big problem here is the 'power claims'. I'd love to know how many 160bhp saxo's are actually 160bhp saxos.

FWIW I raced a 106 gti at crail in my 275bhp classic shape scooby and thrashed it by an absolutely massive distance - that comparison is a waste of time as any n/a saxo is well out of its league in a straight-line drag.

scoobywhite74

1, bmw 330
2, saxo vts
3, honda,s
4, vw golf,s What next rover 75 eat,s scooby,s
for lunch 0-60 1 week that,s close
but rolling it hit,s 0-100 in 10sec,s
look out skylines and evo,s 75 is
coming lol.
By the way where,s mr bmw 330 scooby killer gone lol.

ade_sti

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Sorry but I am aware that there were so called 130 bhp cars about - not sure if I 100% agree with the power figures, however 10 bhp aint going to make much differnce. All I know is that two cars against eachother have to be driven the same way. I could match 172's in my saxo too, but I was killing it to 7800 rpm, and I know my mate was not drivin his to the same extent.

I loved my vts and spend a shed load of money on it,

LAD head, reprofiled cams, custom remap, bmc carbon induction kit, Magnex exhaust, decat with LAD 4 branch manifold.

But have to say, crap build quality, always had probs with it, no torque, crap seats & it is French.

ade_sti

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By the way I have seen a few cars that John tuned, yeah they quite fast, but none had anywhere near the power claims. We set up a rolling road day a few years ago at Cooper & West in Manchester, power well down all the 3 that attended.

LG John

On a scooby, evo, my car, etc you are right but on something that weighs under a ton 10bhp makes a reasonable difference. It's a 8% improvement in power to weight ratio and you should be able to detect that as a feeling of extra urgency.

LAD are well known to fall short of their power claims and considerably so. There 160bhp set up never seemed to produce anything like those results on the rollers. Decent improvements can be made with some modifications to the car - Craggy form SSC used to regularly post videos of him passing faster cars with just a decat and sound induction system.

I completely ignored the build quality, image, shocking seats, the fact its french and the awful interior and paid attention to the urgent engine, the lift-off oversteer, the utter refusal to understeer, the adjustability and the hooligan nature of the thing. There are so many scoobynetters that write off the VTS in principle which is a shame because the car is just that, a car! It is in many ways a victim of its own success and is an absolute hoot to drive. With the exception of my 406 V6 the saxo was the just the best for that, 'how the hell is he still on my bumper' look in rear view mirrors.

JCScooby

How many time do u go to the Ring in a year? is it only open to public on certain days/weekends?
Also how much do u reckon u spend on Car/travel to & from/accomodation/spares & repairs etc.....................in a year?
Just curious as to what sort of budget is required.

Gutmann pug

7 or 8 times last year from memory

Yes only open certain times

£600 a weekend

BigAl024

What had you done to it?

BigAl024

Amd All saxo's are driven by ned's, raggin the **** off them, trying to keep up with proper cars.

kingofturds

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On the way home from work earlier (fookin stressfull day)Had a vts up my **** earlier driving like fecking nigel mansell weaving to and fro itching to get past me because i was sticking to the speed limit.got to a set of traffic lights,matey is revving it up like a tit. Lights turn green i pull off normally(no mario kart style super starts or else my cd's and ****e in the ash tray end up in the back of the car) and mr saxo stalls and splutters at the lights which obviously pissed him off as he sat 2 inches from my bumper for the next 3 miles.Waited till i got to the dual carrigeway and left the ****** like he was standing oh my **** feels so big now

TREG

Just what I wanted to hear,an everyday guy with nothing to prove.

WELL DONE!

kingofturds

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Indeed yes the impreza is not the fastest car on the road. BUT it sure as **** is not the slowest. This is a subaru forum ffs and the impreza seems to be demonized on this forum, more than any non subaru forum. so if you own an impreza an hate it so much sell it and buy something else!