Saxo VTS vs UK Turbo Impreza??
07 February 2006, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Saxo Boy
You're right, chuck in an a-road and the VTS will win hands down........trust me. I fear them in the honda!!!
I wouldnt underestimate a car just because of its image....... People on here tend to though
07 February 2006, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Gutmann pug
Saxo VTS = 935kg therefore with 160bhp we are looking at about 170bhp per tonne .... worked out without calculator
Scoob = 1250kg (ish) and 220bhp = 175bhp per tonne ..... again no calculator
All irrelvant as on a track its down to the driver........
Daz ,........bring your scoob to germany in a month or two and lets see how good you are fella ....
Scoob = 1250kg (ish) and 220bhp = 175bhp per tonne ..... again no calculator
All irrelvant as on a track its down to the driver........
Daz ,........bring your scoob to germany in a month or two and lets see how good you are fella ....
In any contest, the driver is of critical importance, but if we're talking about the respective cars' performance, all else being equal- it's gonna be the scooby that comes out on top.
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07 February 2006, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by matchmaker
My remapped Octavia vRS puts out 180 bhp at wheels and 231 bhp at flywheel which is 21.6% loss 
How do you know what it makes at the flywheel? Did you remove the engine to work out its power on a bench dyno or just listen to what the 'operator' told you the fly figure was? 21.6 is unlikely.
As for the Saxo, if its running a true 160bhp it will no doubt be very fast. In a drag race if it/when it gets the power down it will be tough to beat. Only one way to find out...
07 February 2006, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Weaver
I dont mind chucking my Pug into the equation if requred 
One day everyone may understand PTW and driver ability.
One day everyone may understand PTW and driver ability.
07 February 2006, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Gutmann pug
Oh dont you start on about light reasonably powered cars being a force to be reckoned with, yours hasn't even seen the tarmac ........ or has it?
Yawn,Someone meet up with this kid and prove the point.
Whats the point doing this via the net,same ole my dads bigger than your dad Yawn,Yawn!!!!
07 February 2006, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TREG
Yawn,Someone meet up with this kid and prove the point.
Whats the point doing this via the net,my dads bigger than your dad Yawn,Yawn!!!!
Whats the point doing this via the net,my dads bigger than your dad Yawn,Yawn!!!!
dont reply then if you're bored ....
07 February 2006, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BLACK V5
There`s also a thing called torque that has quite an effect on performance. Something a saxo has very little of.
300 bhp road scoob with no interior
300 bhp WRC scoob.
the WRC car hammer the road version - Torque... mmm love it.
i have a 160+ish bhp 106 GTI (well wifes), my scooby is a UK car. its not standard anymore... far from it. but it will kill the 106 even in standard trim.
106 - chipped, K7N, 4 Branch + full stainless system + set kent cams.
heres a pic
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07 February 2006, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TREG
Meet one of the lads and prove your point
If your that keen prove your point.
Although I bet you haven't ever driven a car-Just seen a few to many films!
07 February 2006, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TREG
If your that keen prove your point.
Although I bet you haven't ever driven a car-Just seen a few to many films!
Although I bet you haven't ever driven a car-Just seen a few to many films!
http://www.northloop.co.uk/videos_pug.htm
Lets see the evidence of how good you are then fella ..... Must have a 16 second clip of you going up the drag strip hidden somewhere?
07 February 2006, 10:36 PM
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16 seconds no mate,Iv left the scooby scene-After I owned 3,2 uk models and 1 jap wrx.
I now own a Gtr33-I suppose you are faster than those as well!?
I now own a Gtr33-I suppose you are faster than those as well!?
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07 February 2006, 10:38 PM
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There`s also a thing called torque that has quite an effect on performance. Something a saxo has very little of.
Hint, it's nice but if you have rpm, you don't need it.160bhp white 106 is nice will. But what's this, they look like heavy *** 17" alloys. Geeeeeeeeeee, I wonder why its slow??
07 February 2006, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Saxo Boy
Neither does my car.........wanna play??? Hint, it's nice but if you have rpm, you don't need it.
160bhp white 106 is nice will. But what's this, they look like heavy *** 17" alloys. Geeeeeeeeeee, I wonder why its slow??
Hint, it's nice but if you have rpm, you don't need it.160bhp white 106 is nice will. But what's this, they look like heavy *** 17" alloys. Geeeeeeeeeee, I wonder why its slow??
Believe it or not those are only 16's.
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07 February 2006, 10:52 PM
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You must be pretty tall for that!! 8900rpm limiter..........that's not for girls
They look pretty big for 16s. I'd stab a guess with that thick spoke and (I mean no offense) relatively cheap design they would be heavier than the standard 106 alloys. Scoobys, etc can get away with 17-18" wheels as they have higher outright power but on small hot-hatches stuff like that really starts to drain performance.
They look pretty big for 16s. I'd stab a guess with that thick spoke and (I mean no offense) relatively cheap design they would be heavier than the standard 106 alloys. Scoobys, etc can get away with 17-18" wheels as they have higher outright power but on small hot-hatches stuff like that really starts to drain performance.
07 February 2006, 10:58 PM
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ok few things i've learnt after haveing a friend who owned a saxo for years.
first off vts's are 120 not 130bhp on the main part, however there are a few 130bhp knocking around you can tell by two little notches that stick out the front of the block, can't remember the exact details but some are sealed up by screws/welds some were never open and i think they are the 130bhp ones.
getting it up to 160bhp without turboing is about as likely as me winning the lottery, cams, exhaust, chip, induction kit and few ither bits and bobs got him to 146.8 bhp.
standard for one against the other and the scoob will win, moded saxo against standard scoob prob not far off even once rolling, moded scoob against moded saxo, not even close.
this isn't always the case, get a driver who will go ***** out in a saxo and a driver who takes it steady in a scoob and the saxo will prob win in the twisties.
Also road knowledge will play a hell of a major issue, just watch top gear and clarkson trying to do nurburg as fast as sebine and you'll know the answer to that one.
comparing a track car with a road car is a waste of time and anyone doubting that go and try to beat a stripped out 2.5 v6 vectra touring car style thing with full set up for race in a 400bhp r34 skyline and you'll see the difference. so that vid of a pug doing 8,52 on the ring, not watched it but i can believe it.
on drag strip, scoob will wins hands down, traction is the big key and saxo wont get enough to be able to make up difference at the end.
so all in all on the road, driver, car and road pays so much difference that it cant be compared, only way to test it get both cars on a track driven by the same driver in the same conditions and you'll have the answer.
first off vts's are 120 not 130bhp on the main part, however there are a few 130bhp knocking around you can tell by two little notches that stick out the front of the block, can't remember the exact details but some are sealed up by screws/welds some were never open and i think they are the 130bhp ones.
getting it up to 160bhp without turboing is about as likely as me winning the lottery, cams, exhaust, chip, induction kit and few ither bits and bobs got him to 146.8 bhp.
standard for one against the other and the scoob will win, moded saxo against standard scoob prob not far off even once rolling, moded scoob against moded saxo, not even close.
this isn't always the case, get a driver who will go ***** out in a saxo and a driver who takes it steady in a scoob and the saxo will prob win in the twisties.
Also road knowledge will play a hell of a major issue, just watch top gear and clarkson trying to do nurburg as fast as sebine and you'll know the answer to that one.
comparing a track car with a road car is a waste of time and anyone doubting that go and try to beat a stripped out 2.5 v6 vectra touring car style thing with full set up for race in a 400bhp r34 skyline and you'll see the difference. so that vid of a pug doing 8,52 on the ring, not watched it but i can believe it.
on drag strip, scoob will wins hands down, traction is the big key and saxo wont get enough to be able to make up difference at the end.
so all in all on the road, driver, car and road pays so much difference that it cant be compared, only way to test it get both cars on a track driven by the same driver in the same conditions and you'll have the answer.
08 February 2006, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by TREG
16 seconds no mate,Iv left the scooby scene-After I owned 3,2 uk models and 1 jap wrx.
I now own a Gtr33-I suppose you are faster than those as well!?
I now own a Gtr33-I suppose you are faster than those as well!?
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08 February 2006, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Tidgy
so all in all on the road, driver, car and road pays so much difference that it cant be compared, only way to test it get both cars on a track driven by the same driver in the same conditions and you'll have the answer.
So using my same driver different car analysis
Scoob 329bhp......
Pug 205 130bhp......
Scoob quicker in fast and uphill sections ...... Nothing in it on more technical / downhill sections.
With an extra 30bhp in my 205 giving the same as quoted for the Saxo on this thread (regardless whether people think its possible or not) the gap between scoob and 205 would be much closer.
Gary