week of fun
The pleasure

the pain

notice how Rich the car is running in closed loop - nothings ever easy
anyone have any ideas the car runs fine on boost but far to rich on closed loop, this tagged with the fact the car will hunt if I hold 2k revs when in nutral
idle is fine - this also happened before the turbo\injectors were fit
API tried a different lamda and maff ( it wouldnt pass the mot on emmisions)

the pain

notice how Rich the car is running in closed loop - nothings ever easy
anyone have any ideas the car runs fine on boost but far to rich on closed loop, this tagged with the fact the car will hunt if I hold 2k revs when in nutral
idle is fine - this also happened before the turbo\injectors were fit
API tried a different lamda and maff ( it wouldnt pass the mot on emmisions)
Rich the graphs don't show that you are rich on closed loop (which its not btw as you drive) since the runs are done at wot the car is open loop the whole time so you can't see closed loop afr on these.
Boost response is typical for a rolling road, you had 1 bar at 3800 on the road.
WR1 last weekend had 1 bar at 3400 yet rollers showed the 1 bar point to be 1000 rpm later, symptomatic of the loading.
cheers
Bob
Boost response is typical for a rolling road, you had 1 bar at 3800 on the road.
WR1 last weekend had 1 bar at 3400 yet rollers showed the 1 bar point to be 1000 rpm later, symptomatic of the loading.
cheers
Bob
sorry Bob Im trying to type what the guy who was doing the dyno run said
he was saying it was running way to rich off boost and he thought it could be linked to the cars funny 2k hunting on idle, rich enough to cause bore wash which had me spooked (12:1)
if you say im fine on the road i will leave alone, thanks for the email explained allot,
to but my mind at rest on running round town at 3k revs what would you expect the psi3 afr to say
he was saying it was running way to rich off boost and he thought it could be linked to the cars funny 2k hunting on idle, rich enough to cause bore wash which had me spooked (12:1)
if you say im fine on the road i will leave alone, thanks for the email explained allot,
to but my mind at rest on running round town at 3k revs what would you expect the psi3 afr to say
Just looked over the data log and it was running at 0.96/0.99 lambda off boost depending on how close you were to zero boost, nowhere near .82, sure he was off boost and not just onto open loop ?
bob
bob
the latest is the car is mental, love it with a passion
i am playing it sensible, would love to do jap shop, track days, scoobyshoot out etc etc but i know i would be pushing my luck
saving some money up, paying off the bills and may be come the winter have a run up to RCM
did I say how good the car is
i am playing it sensible, would love to do jap shop, track days, scoobyshoot out etc etc but i know i would be pushing my luck
saving some money up, paying off the bills and may be come the winter have a run up to RCM

did I say how good the car is
so guys summers nearly over and the cards have cooled down a little
starting to think of this winters upgrades, watching the progress of neilos 2.5 build i am very tempted
would like to keep the current turbo, maybe swap for a p20 hot side
whats your recommendations now im thinking of going internal?
starting to think of this winters upgrades, watching the progress of neilos 2.5 build i am very tempted
would like to keep the current turbo, maybe swap for a p20 hot side
whats your recommendations now im thinking of going internal?
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From: In a 405 BHP/360 ft/lb P1 with SN superstar Sonic dog at my side!
Cheapest option is just convert your existing turbo as you say, with supporting stuff see you to maybe 470/480
obviously means gearbox and ECU though so big bucks
obviously means gearbox and ECU though so big bucks
Things are starting to move again
started to think about the heads
https://www.scoobynet.com/general-te...r-400-bhp.html
im going to start looking for garages to do the work, this one is a bit over my head
will try RCM first as they have been so good in the last 2 years i have been dealing with them, i just hope they don't blow my budget away
second im thinking API as David has been so helpfull in some of my questions and seems to have a good rep, not to mention the ease of getting the gear box sorted
I have been burnt in the past and if it wasn't for Bob R helping me out the scoob would have been sold and i don't want to be put in that position again
started to think about the heads
https://www.scoobynet.com/general-te...r-400-bhp.html
im going to start looking for garages to do the work, this one is a bit over my head
will try RCM first as they have been so good in the last 2 years i have been dealing with them, i just hope they don't blow my budget away
second im thinking API as David has been so helpfull in some of my questions and seems to have a good rep, not to mention the ease of getting the gear box sorted
I have been burnt in the past and if it wasn't for Bob R helping me out the scoob would have been sold and i don't want to be put in that position again
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From: In a 405 BHP/360 ft/lb P1 with SN superstar Sonic dog at my side!
Rich,
If you fancy a go yourself i can lend you a head to copy and all my porting kit. I dont have time myself to do it at the minute though.........
If you fancy a go yourself i can lend you a head to copy and all my porting kit. I dont have time myself to do it at the minute though.........
Mark a star as always
but its more a space issue we have 3 cars on the drive and 3 motorbikes in the garage - i have no room to take an engine out and have space to work
remembering it would take me months
thanks for the offer all the same
but its more a space issue we have 3 cars on the drive and 3 motorbikes in the garage - i have no room to take an engine out and have space to work
remembering it would take me months
thanks for the offer all the same
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From: In a 405 BHP/360 ft/lb P1 with SN superstar Sonic dog at my side!
Originally Posted by Mark A
Mark
I've some Sti 7 heads & I fancied playing with them. Any chance of giving me some advice of what to take off and where to remove metal. Pictures would be useful.
Mark A
I've some Sti 7 heads & I fancied playing with them. Any chance of giving me some advice of what to take off and where to remove metal. Pictures would be useful.
Mark A
https://www.scoobynet.com/projects-4...ne-fettle.html
thanks Chaz
ok RCM still not got back to me, and I have chased it a few times, so I had a trip out to API today
as usual David has talked me through a load of options but i must admit i do like the sound of going 2.5 and with all the recent good comments of how well the 2.5s are going with the md321T and being a superb road car
i am very tempted with
2.5 block, rods, pistons, race bearings
heads , sti 5 cams, uprated springs & valves all polished up and flow tested
get rid of the tumblers and fit sti 8 inlet manifold
braided fuel line running in parallel
p20 housing
ppg gear set
if I was to incraese the fuel pressure of the 650's would they run 450bhp ? and would i be better of moving to a bosh fuel pump at this level
ok RCM still not got back to me, and I have chased it a few times, so I had a trip out to API today
as usual David has talked me through a load of options but i must admit i do like the sound of going 2.5 and with all the recent good comments of how well the 2.5s are going with the md321T and being a superb road car
i am very tempted with
2.5 block, rods, pistons, race bearings
heads , sti 5 cams, uprated springs & valves all polished up and flow tested
get rid of the tumblers and fit sti 8 inlet manifold
braided fuel line running in parallel
p20 housing
ppg gear set
if I was to incraese the fuel pressure of the 650's would they run 450bhp ? and would i be better of moving to a bosh fuel pump at this level





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