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Old 07 June 2011, 12:30 PM
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Yes, indeed I do, two Wikipedia windows open, copied the wrong URL and blamed Mr Stapp who was actually also a bit unhinged but only risked his own life/safety
Old 07 June 2011, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Will
Didn't know you served at Valley Les. Me and my daughter used to go over to watch the Hawks take off and land. I'm sure I have a video somewhere.
Yes that was quite some time ago when I did an acclimatisation course on the Vampire after my training in Canada, we all had to do that. Also had to learn how to say the full version of Llanfair PG. A good friend of mine was an instructor there on the Gnat as well and he crashed on finals with an engine failure-he got away with it I'm glad to say.

I also did a course on the Hawk there much later. I quite enjoyed that, we used to do circuits and landings at Mona airfield too.

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Old 07 June 2011, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by FlightMan
Think you mean the infamous Bud Holland Jacko?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Fa...ase_B-52_crash
That is an awful sequence to watch because you can see it coming. The turning stall, or what we refer to as a high speed stall happens when you attempt to stop a descent by pulling back to raise the nose but because of the turn and the tilted lift vector not being enough, the aircraft keeps descending and you keep pulling back until the angle of attack exceeds the stalling angle and in you go!

The only effective recovery from that situation is to reduce the bank angle.

It is a situation that you always have to keep in mind when turning at low level, especially with large aircraft.

I used to do a low level figure of eight steep turn reversing the direction of turn halfway round in the Vulcan display and the angle of bank was every bit as important as the amount of G pulled during that manoeuvre. You also had to remember how high the lower wingtip was above the ground.

Important also to remember all that during a steep wingover recovery. Too easy to allow the nose to drop too low for recovery as actually happened during an air display in the USA.

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Old 08 June 2011, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Yes that was quite some time ago when I did an acclimatisation course on the Vampire after my training in Canada, we all had to do that. Also had to learn how to say the full version of Llanfair PG. A good friend of mine was an instructor there on the Gnat as well and he crashed on finals with an engine failure-he got away with it I'm glad to say.

I also did a course on the Hawk there much later. I quite enjoyed that, we used to do circuits and landings at Mona airfield too.

Les

The video is not that good as it was taken on a camera phone



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My not very exciting video from near Valley.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lXHN66A2j4

Doesnt quite convey the noise and wonderful smell you get, why do I love inhaling Jet fumes so much ?
Old 08 June 2011, 04:27 PM
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One of the party tricks in the Hawk was to arrive over the airfield at about 35K feet and call for clearance to land in 2 minutes. You could just about do it by rolling to the vertical nose down leaving the engine flat out and belting down to the landing circuit. On a good day you could get the Hawk nearly to Mach one. if you did not make it in 2 minutes it cost you a round in the bar!

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