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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 12:25 PM
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If the peaceful, tolerant & fed up majority on all sides actually stood up to be counted it would send a far stronger message to the Govt and extremists on all sides.

Where the so called minority of extremist muslims can threaten to maim, kill and overturn everything I love and believe in then surely I have a right to stand outside Westminster or wherever and peacefully protest against this view as do the 1000's of others who probably feel the same.

Then again the anti-war march shows how much the Govt listen to mass protest and the fox hunting protest reaction show how much the police tolerate provacation from certain elements of society.

I've an uneasy feeling about all of this - but I'm getting sick of feeling bullied :-(

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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 12:41 PM
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The stupid 'government' in the form of Peter Hain has announced that police are 'studying' pictures taken of the protesters banners with a view to arresting and prosecuting offenders if identified.

But surely they should have been arrested at the time, not allowed to run riot through the streets of London whilst the police looked on.

So what we see is another New Labour exercise in PR and a few choice 'sound bites' delivered to the media to placate a rightly outraged public. But as ever, no action as such. Will any arrests actually be made? and will any prosecutions result? No, because New Labour are too scared of losing the muslim vote. A bunch of spineless lying turds...
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Little Miss WRX
The issues caused are being caused by a minority section and overall are condemned by those who are true to Islaam faith
To tally agree with you there. I made this point yesterday too.

On the BBC 10o'clock news yesterday they showed somebody from the UK muslim council who said it was the extremist minority protesting with banners sayind ' Down with the west' and so on.
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 12:46 PM
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As I said on the other thread - looking at the varying protests including the one in the UK, the "minority" quote used all the time seems not to be totally correct. This seems a very large minority.
Lets be honest, if the run of the mill person in this country is now starting to get annoyed by all of this then it may be the beginning of a bad time for all.
This Muslim "minority" has done more for BNP than Griffin ever could.
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 12:49 PM
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Yeah, nice PC sentiment. Sadly those who are better informed know differently:

Originally Posted by RedFive
Being active on islamic bulletin boards helps. And to my disappointement I have to say a large majority, say 70% is outraged. Sure, not all of those want to see extreme violence and vitriol, but somehow this has become much more than just a few cartoons in a local Danish rag. People have lost the plot over this.

So asking for balanced views: agreed. Saying that we are talking about a minority is simply wrong.
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Little Miss WRX
We are fed by the media which is just concentrating on the bad aspects of Islaam, it doesn't focus on what true muslims think because in my opinion, the media is too busy hyping up the extremist activities in order to create a hatred towards muslims.
Again i totally agree with you.

On yesterdays 10 o'clock news they didn't even show the peaceful protests

but when the extremist monority are protesting it becomes headline news with pictures and videos.

This is just one example of the media and its biased stories.
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Alas
the "minority" quote used all the time seems not to be totally correct. This seems a very large minority.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4682262.stm

In this BBC news story it states:

"Police estimated Friday's crowd at between 500 and 700"

The muslim population is 1.54 million in Ebgland and Wales.

I'd say 500-700 protestors counts as minority, wouldn't you??
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by m-pwr
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4682262.stm

In this BBC news story it states:

"Police estimated Friday's crowd at between 500 and 700"

The muslim population is 1.54 million in Ebgland and Wales.

I'd say 500-700 protestors counts as minority, wouldn't you??
If you quote the whole post rather than the selective sentence you used, you will see I said all the protests including the one in the UK.
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 01:00 PM
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Forgot to say - like the BOLD
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 01:02 PM
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You also forgot to mention the march on Saturday in the article you quoted
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Alas
If you quote the whole post rather than the selective sentence you used, you will see I said all the protests including the one in the UK.
There are 1.2 billion muslims in the world.

It still counts as a minority even if you take into account the protests in the other countries.
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Alas
You also forgot to mention the march on Saturday in the article you quoted
Ok take that into account too. Lets say 2000 protestors out of 1.5 million in the UK. Well id say thats still a minority
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 01:07 PM
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How many were at the other protests then??
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 01:08 PM
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Where does it say how many were in the Saturday protest or did you just make the number up??
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Alas
Where does it say how many were in the Saturday protest or did you just make the number up??
well if you find the numbers i'm still pretty sure it will be a minority
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 01:14 PM
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So you did make the number up
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Alas
Where does it say how many were in the Saturday protest or did you just make the number up??
Well, if you read the bbc article it said

"Separate protests held on Saturday passed off peacefully"

So that doesn't count then.
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 01:22 PM
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HaaaaaHaaaaaaaa
Sounds like something a kid would say.

If they protest - they are protesters, whether peaceful or not.
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 01:23 PM
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so the extremist minority protested on Friday included around 700 people. Even if you include the peaceful protest on saturday its still a minority.
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 01:25 PM
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Anyway - sorry to all for the pettiness that has developed from what, so far, had been a serious and enlightening thread.
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 01:26 PM
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even though we were talking about the extremist protests where they held banners saying 'down with the west' and so on it was a minority.

If you feel you want to include the other protests please do so. It is still a minority
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by m-pwr
even though we were talking about the extremist protests where they held banners saying 'down with the west' and so on it was a minority.

If you feel you want to include the other protests please do so. It is still a minority
There are a minority of people in the bnp,but i'm sure a larger number of people agree with some of what they say ,so i would say it's safe to assume that more than a minority of muslims support the actions of the protesters .
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 02:06 PM
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Thread hijack alert - ego maniac in the area (suspected age - approx 15 years)

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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 05:31 PM
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The ironic thing is that a lot of the foreign Islamic media regularly features anti-semitic and anti-US cartoons which are extremely offensive.
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 05:39 PM
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You could have said that with a cartoon though

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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RedFive
You could have said that with a cartoon though


lol!!!
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
The ironic thing is that a lot of the foreign Islamic media regularly features anti-semitic and anti-US cartoons which are extremely offensive.

Its' called "dont do as i do, do as i say!"
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 07:58 PM
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Sad thing about this is that people will die because of a crappy cartoon in a local Danish newspaper, I personally never read the Danish equivalent of the Stockport Advertiser, surprised anyone gives a toss. I think the message is clear, dont antagonise (the more radical) Muslims or you may well create a situation you cant control that culiminates with destruction of property, loss of life and very tense newspaper editors, thank f*ck none of the British press decided to publish, I suspect some came close but investagative journalism is one thing if its Kate Moss, Jade Goody or some other celeb, correct me if I am wrong but I doubt that Jade Goody would be likely to blow up a newspaper office or remove someones head with a bread knife, so maybe it wasnt good sense, more like self preservation.

Not sure where the cartoon above fits into Islams book of acceptable humour, I suspect mis-spelling the prophets name might just get you off the hook. It does worry me this, it being a very lame cartoon, most people would ignore it or complain to points of view, what next, I am not a Muslim, am I disrespecting Islam simply by not being a part of it, I have said on here before that I dont hold with religion, is that a slur to Islam or just me living in democracy and having an opinion ?

Surely anything that resorts to these tactics is onto a loser, no good can come of this, at least what Bush n Blair have been upto keeps petrol in my car.
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 08:01 PM
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time to dust off those nukes,really give em something to moan about
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