RJL_WRX05

There is also now a recognised insurance listing titled WRX261 which according to people on this site is for a WRX with ppp (see the insurance forum search ppp). There is essentially no difference at all between buying a WRX with free ppp or a WRX300 with ppp. Both are fitted post reg to a 225bhp engine and both are not standard from the factory. Although I agree entirely with your logic that a WRX300 comes with ppp as standard there is no actual difference except for the other standard differences of course and the limited edition thing.

Marky9074

RJL_WRX05

Just got back to the UK and now I can understand where your comments originated from! Your pissed about the insurance on a standard WRX with PPP!!! And quite understandably so!

As I mentioned above, the only reason I got a WRX300 was the package was inclusive of PPP and therefore not a modification (like the way I worded that?!)

Anyway, my point still stands. At least two other people on this thread have stated that 'you did not have to have PPP'. I have my own opinions, but I think these people are just talking out loud and have no basis to make these comments.

.....has anyone actually been asked if they dont want PPP?

Mark

Marky9074

SUBARU IMPREZA WRX (261) 2 1994 2005-2005 --4-- P M 47512601 20A T1
SUBARU IMPREZA WRX (261) 2 1994 2005-2005 ---5- P M 47512602 20A T1

He is right though, there is a code for a WRX+PPP.....

So is it sorted for PPP owners now?

flynnstudio

Mark, I'm in agreement. My insurer knows and has quoted for a wrx300 not a Uk300 but specifically a WRX300 - they even knew it was an 05 ONLY vehicle - so they obviously know exactly what it is - not all insurers have a WRX300 classification so some obviously don't know what it is...

I went into a subaru dealer and bought a WRX300 as per the brouchure, I told my insurer it is a WRX300 - end of story...as I've said before keep your brouchure!

re: 261 -Only way to be sure is to ask your insurer what they consider a WRX261 actually is... was there a 261 HP PPP version in 1994 (I don'tthink so) - if not then I'd presume 261 is probably not what you think it is this is a bit like saying "I've got an stock STI but when you get down to it it's really only a WRX with a different engine and running gear and sus chassis mods etc etc - so just quote me WRX261!"

Marky9074

Dude, this is the engine size...

LOL

flynnstudio

Your right!

WRX-Jo

As a fellow WRX300 owner, I feel I must contribute to this thread, but only to agree that, as I understand it, the PPP is standard, but is dealer-fitted, so you could request to not have the PPP if you so wish (why??) once it has arrived at the dealership. And the insurance seems to work out better (than buying a standard WRX with the PPP as an option) as I suppose it is seen as a standard fitment (with the 'option' to remove it) so does not count as a modification. Which is nice.

So how many of us WRX300 owners have we decided are on here?

Cheers

Jo

flynnstudio

Hi Jo - I'm one...

btw - that provokes an interesting question - is there any official designator as to which number you have got ? Would be kind of cool know...

RJL_WRX05

If only it was sorted mate, It appears that some insurers recognise this classification and others dont. The Impreza WRX 261 and WRX 300 are listed on the database as different vehicles but some only list the WRX 300. Just make sure your insurer recognises it before you take out the policy and dont do what I did and amend the policy half way through as they really dont have a clue what ppp is. Direct Line are cheap but dont list the WRX261. There is a really long thread in the insurance section about a guy who wrote numerous letters to subaru UK and eventually (through a lot of hard work!) got confirmation on the insurance categories.

Marky9074

Hi Jo,

Thanks for the post, but you are the fourth person now to say 'you could request not to have PPP'

Were you actually offered the choice not to have PPP? Or is this just an assumption?

Mark

golf

hi everyone another wrx300 owner when i brought my car i wasnt told there was an option and i cant understand why u would by the car without the free extras anyway did any of u get certificate for ppp with your cars also anyone had there logbooks changed to wrx300 instead of standard wrx which it is not

Rob82uk

this adds fuel to the fire

i googled to see what you were all talking about

http://www.japanesecarfans.com/news..../Subaru/1.html

It keeps talking about the "package" so i think ODB is right. The WRX300 had a "package" of enhancements fitted by the dealership, including PPP

C2forWRX

il be one soon hopefully. anyone know where there are any going cheap? at dealers as i have a trade in? seen a few 18-19K

Rob82uk

your assuming here that insureres are reasonable

your forgetting they will take every excuse they've got to screw you for as much money as possible. and that includes classing PPP as an aftermarket modification even though its part of the purchase spec

As an example, why do insureres want to know about points from 5 years ago that are neither valid nor on my license ?

flynnstudio

Chapmans at Pickering have got ONE LEFT!That was £19.5K OTR and not pre-registered so it'll be an 06 car!. There were five on the dealer network when I bought mine and Chapmans had two of em! ...

magicdudey

As a fellow dude of three hundred nesnes, all I can say re this PPP issue is: Do you know Chaz n Dave?

C2forWRX

there are about 10 on the used subaru site for 18500 - 22k. dont want brand new as i cannot afford it. just wondering if there were anymore around as i know not all dealers update there stock on the net for example chapmans who dont have any 300's on the net. I rang chapmans last week but they were busy so il have to ring back in the morning

flynnstudio

It's a rule they made - simple as that - your honest and you tell them - your covered - your clean...

If your insurer lists it as WRX300 they know what that is - simple. DCCOOK managed to get the BHP right - so I think an insurance company will know exactly what car it's insuring when it's a manufacturers special edition.. You have not PERSONALLY modified it from base purchase spec...this is what they can't possibly know about but what they need to know - an induction kit for examle would be a self-mod and thus need declaring - how can they know what every tom, dick and harry ahs been doing in his garage..that's why you declare modifications...

as I said keep your brochure...clearly shows what you bought..

anyone with a stock WRX can show them the brochure for the WRX and then say ' oh but I added this" - that's a personal modification above the standard purchased car...

anyone with a WRX300 can show them a brochure and say this is what I bought and this is what you agreed to insure - I have not modified it in any form...

If you haven't got a brochure and you want one let me know I'll scan a copy and email it to you..on the back under specifcation and technical data it clearly states power 265PS...

then you have it for peace of mind...

andyfish

Yep! The dealer warned me about insurance and PPP and told me to get back to him when I decided (like, yeah, who WOULDN'T want PPP?) if I wanted the PPP or not.

andy

NorthDownsScooby

Guys & Gals,

the brochure is here. I suggest you print a copy and keep with your handbook for when you sell the car.

http://www.subaru-impreza.org/downlo...eza-wrx300.pdf

Rich

Marky9074

Thanks dude.....but the link was actually at the start of the thread!

magicdudey

It's a rule they made - simple as that - your honest and you tell them - your covered - your clean...

HERE HERE re the abogve thread reply.
A-Plan had it on thier system no probs.

ODB

iTrader: (1)

I can't see how or why you would be asked if you do not want a standard fit item on a car. The 300 spec WRX specifically states that PPP is fitted to the car from new, not from 1000 miles or as an additional add on or option, its standard on the car. I can't see why this could be removed from the car (afterall you would be overpaying for a standard WRX really), it certainly wasn't offered to me, in fact the dealer actively pushed to sell the 300 to me on the PPP being standard and being reflected in the reduced insurance.

As for my insurer, I did phone them to confirm the quote and the car's spec. They confirmed both and acknowlegded the difference between a 300 and a normal WRX. Plus they had the WRX 300 listed seperatley from the UK300 and the PPP WRX, so they must know the differences and be aware of them.

flynnstudio

Anyone got any ideas yet on how to identify your cars number yet ? No x of 300 etc...must be a way to identify said 'limited special edition'...

RJL_WRX05

So when Subaru Uk were offering free ppp with all NEW WRX's (upto July last year) how is this a "personal modification"? You could argue to any insurer that it came like this from new and ppp was part of the standard spec (like different alloys on run out models etc etc). Your argument does not make sense to me although I can see were you are coming from.

Marky9074

I think this boils down to the fact that a WRX300 quotes the figures for the model as that with PPP (albeit with an '*'), whereas a WRX does not....

So PPP on a WRX is a modification of the base description of the car....

There was not a brochure/model deliminating a WRX as being one with (free) PPP throughout that period.

flynnstudio

My Insurers don't have a listing called WRX with PPP - they do have a listing for WRX300 which we know as standard has blue seats, gold alloys, trackstar, Prodrive performance package, momo ally gearknob, fancy spoiler, fancy mats etc etc.

Now I can take the mats out of my WRX300 and it is still a WRX300 - it say's so on the side of the wing - there is a little badge...I could even take off the the silver gearstick and I'd be ok but INCREDIBLE as this may sound I'd be on seriously dodgy ground if I actually removed the Prodrive exhaust and say replaced it with an aftermarket exhaust that say increased my HP considerably because it is no longer a stock WRX300 - I would have to declare THAT as a mod!!...how's that for a pair of funbags filled with silicone for you!!

What's more if you insured your WRX with PPP as a WRX300 - you'd be in the crap wouldn't you cos that'd be a deception...

I don't know why this is causing so much confusion. WE bought exactly what it says on the side of the tin - WRX300 - that's what we've insured...

WRX-Jo

Hi Mark

I was not offered the choice as such, but when I queried the whole 'why do I have to wait another x amount of days for the PPP to be installed after delivery' issue with my dealer, he told me that it was because some people requested not to have it. He said he had recently had a customer who requested this and so did get a WRX300 without PPP. But he agreed this was rare and most people, who don't make special requests, just get it as usual. So I think there is the assumption that you will want and therefore get it, unless you request otherwise.

But then this was a car dealer. I guess it's just as likely he didn't know the answer to my question and made the story up! But that's what I was told anyway, so I just thought I'd pass it on.

Flynnstudio - I'd also like to know what number of the 300 I have got, but I was told that, unlike other limited editions, there is nothing in the car that can tell you. Which I think is a shame, really. But the dealer did say that you should be able to tell from the chassis number. Having looked at my chassis number, I think this is a load of old %^$£ because there is no three-digit number in there that could be between 0 and 300. Surely it wouldn't have been much effort for them to give us something with which to identify the number, but never mind - I guess we just have to accept it. It would be interesting to know where the other 290-odd are though....

And I've just seen your other post above - I agree. I bought and insured a WRX300 as a WRX300 (Admiral had the model on their records, so no problems there).

Cheers

Jo

flynnstudio

maybe we should start a scoobynet registery...most of them will still be in first ownership and surely any truley commited WRX300 owner will make his way here sooner or later....have a new forum header at top level called Registry for rare or special editions with a thread for each edition (ie need not be wrx300 exclusive) and we can have a thread called WRX300 with an editable list maybe just showing the last 2 numbers of the chassis number and current/ownership history - maybe any modification history.

ie


WRX300 chassis: 27 : 1st Owner : WRX-Jo <website piccie link maybe ?>
WRX300 chassis: 52 : 1st Owner : Flynnstudio

Good idea/bad idea?? anyone?

Marky9074

No they have 'WRX261' instead!!!

I have mailed my dealer to ask if he actually asked anyone if they did not want PPP...

I agree it is not 'our' problem, we have insured our 'wrx300' as a 'wrx300' so we have nothing to worry about.

This thread was born out of a guy who has a WRX + PPP, who is pissed about the insurance and is justifying this against a WRX300 which is mechanically WRX+PPP....

But as we have found out there is a code for a WRX + PPP now so its not really an issue....