Are you saying that, although they knew the rules of the election, they STILL 'messed-up'??

Oh, great ....... lets vote for the losers then!?!


Pete

 

UB, its sooooo much easier to just add Pete to your "ignore" list

 

What???

And take away the only thing he lives for???

Pete

 

Souns like a plan to me Are you finally seeing sense Pete?

 

Who?

 

Its OK pete - he hates me too

 

No. There were constituency boundary changes that favoured Labour.

 

Lets not kid ourselves about TB and NL in general. The tories at the time were dead in the water, seen as a bunch of sleeze ridden, tired old codgers, detached from the real world, greedy and without principle.

All Labour had to do to get in was to capitalise on the "surely anything must be better than this" thought they pervaded the country.

TB and NL were put forward as an antithesis to the Tories; on the surface, they seemed to represent everything the tories weren't. We were shown a failing, tired and oblivious Tory government and then shown 'a new, young and dynamic party that would restore integrity to politics and make Britain great again, blah, blah, blah' The spirit of the new party ecapsulated by this young, dynamic, principled politican, TB.

To be fair, viewed as a PR exercise, they couldn't have done it much better.

Problem is, good PR aside, the only thing really new about NL was the mastery of spin. BUT with such a crushing majority in parliment, that's all they really needed. It didn't really matter that -as far as policy was concerened- NL were basically re-hashed Tories, no-one in the party is going to rock the boat and compromise their grasp on power after being out on their asses for so long..

But image gets you so far, but then its substance that gets you though. NL have become arrogant, complacent and tired themselves and -with their crushing majority eroded people are no longer afraid of rocking the boat and upsetting the "golden boy"- the in-fighting that damaged the Tories so extensively has begun. The longer the Blair vs. Brown Saga goes on, the worse it'll get.

History repeating itself anyone?! Expect to see the "new conservatives" with a fresh face at the helm come next election. Expect them to win big...and hope that they don't by too large a margin for the sake of REAL politics!

NS04

 

Whether or not anyone likes Blair is irrelevant; he's a serious political operator, whereas Cameron is an intellectual lightweight with nothing to offer but a fresh face. Unless he can get the whole party behind him, no-one will trust him.

Brown will be fighting on a "look what I've done for you so far" ticket, and the electorate will almost certainly give him one chance to succeed. If, like John Major, he takes on the policies of the previous totemic leader but fails to move the game on, then it'll be game over.

I'll stick to my guns and say that it'll be 2010/11 before we see the next Tory government.

 

I have ages ago - but people quote him so I still get to see his dross unfortunately.

I think his medication has been changed recently, he seems even more out of contact with reality than ever lately

 

Yes the next election will be in 2010, you can bet NL will hang on to the end knowing they'll be kicked out.....

 

And the odd thing is, I remember all the panic in the early/mid-90s with people saying "the tories have now been in power for 18 years, if they keep going then a whole generation of voters will have known nothing but a Tory government."


So look how they've voted since then

 

No, the next election will be in c.2008, but my prediction is that Brown will do a poor job of it and will need to stand in 2010/11, at which point he'll lose.

Any party which fails to be elected can be said to have been kicked out, btw, and which political party do *you* know of which willingly hands over power to its opposition?

 

Elections are every 4/5 years - so follow this pattern, 1997,2001,2005,...

I think it'll be 5 years as previously stated before the next one so that makes.....

 

Well I think Cameron will be a big mistake he is all that NL stands for spin and sound bites with no actual beliefs and Davies is to Grey. The rumours that Cameron actual gave Davies votes at the second ballet to ensure that Liam Fox was knocked out looks more likely by the day as he was possibly the one person who offered the right balance of belief and presentability to take the conservatives to power.

If Cameron gets the job then I think that a lot of traditional Tories will migrate to some thing like UKIP and if he can’t get enough of the Labour vote he will not win the election as his vote will be split.

Not forgetting that Labour has bought and paid for millions of votes by importing a large new voting force living on benefits. Also they have employed 750,000 extra people in government funded jobs; it will take lot to get these people to vote for the end of the gravy train!

 

Indeed - Turkeys dont vote for Christmas do they?!

 

Cameron has the best chance of beating Brown ... remember it will be Brown he will be up against NOT Blair.

Brown is hardly charismatic .... Cameron could be, quite easily.

So, I hope the Tories choose Davies .......... it will be plain sailing for Brown then!

Pete