Listy

Yep I'm with Reality here.........

"**** Happens". Especially when you bring it upon yourself. I personally feel more pitty for the Old Bill who were alledgedly following and are now being hounded like murderers.

I don't mourn the loss of a Car Theif, his Associates or a Bloody Metro.

Cest La Vie eh!

Diablo

danwrx1980

i was hit by a car driven by a 14 year old lad, who then got out and beat me with a hammer around the head.
i think its fair to say where i stand on this.
every living thing in the world knows the difference between right and wrong, and these kids played with the grim reaper and lost.
if only the little **** who ran me over had been in the car, i'd be out getting pi$$ed tonight!

but, and its a big but, i believe that things like this happen because of far more fundamental reasons. Every kid who ever did anything wrong 'just got in with the wrong crowd', as mentioned before. My dad never accepted that as an excuse when i was a kid, and 15 years later he'd still give me a smack if i got arrested.
This comes down to nobody taking responsibility for their actions, because if these kids had survived, they would have probably ended up suing Rover on no win no fee for making such **** cars. in their eyes the fault would not have lay with them, as said, THEY had the choice to steal a car, THEY had the choice not to stop, and what the **** were they doing out at 0140?
What this comes down to is police need more powers to deal with this and other lawless acts, and the courts need the power to stop kids like this re offending, and to make prison the deterrent it once was.
why not try making the kids join some sort of youth club, the Prince's Trust has already been mentioned as one that obviously worked, what about the Army Cadets, or somewhere else where these kids will learn to respect themselves, and in turn, others?
Apologies, very long winded, but not an easy problem we are dealing with here, as i'm sure most of you will agree the problem is wider than 5 kids nicking a car.

Dan.

Shonen

I think people would have more sympathy if, they had been caught and been given a real punishment. Maybe they would feel that justice had been done, but as we all know they would have had a slap on the wrist, and justice would not have been done. I personally dont have alot of sympathy for them, I am not celebrating their deaths but I do think it was their own fault for getting in the car etc.

David Lock

I see the current driving laws are about to change but am I right that under current legislation the driver, had he survived, could have been charged with causing death by dangerous driving for which the max sentence is 10-14 years IIRC? I suppose if he was a minor that would make a difference but to an outsider it seems the courts take an over lenient view. A 10 year stretch might just act as a deterrant but 100 hours picking up litter won't. Just my take on this sad affair.

And may be there should be legislation whereby parents have a "Duty of Care" and they could be hauled before the courts for clearly failing in this or should this be resisted as nanny state interference? I would be all for it as I do think they have a major responsibility in this.

rr_ww

Exaclty! The worst thing is that the Media are starting to side with the scumbags family. Every person in that car had a criminal record!

Im am GLAD these people are DEAD. I show no remorse for their worthless families that couldnt be bothered to discipline them properly. I hope they all ROT in HELL!

GCollier

Obviously, given only those two choices, number 1. But then I'd also give that answer if the same question concerned a legally owned subaru impreza turbo driven at the speed limit by a member of this board.

Death is not considered a just penalty in this country for the most heinous of crimes. Therefore it cannot be considered a just penalty for stealing a car and driving in a manner which might cause injury to third parties.

Gary.

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

If you are going to nick something, nick something that will protect you in a crash.

Its pretty bad that they all got killed and I do agree with the less charitable on here to a certain extent, i.e. if they hadnt nicked it they would be alive and it might make other kids think. What does make me sad is the fact that it could have been one mistake, kids make mistakes, I did on numerous occasions and got away with it, mates made bigger mistakes and have gone on to do good things with their lives despite a wonky start.

fast bloke

I can say with all honesty that if I thought someone (from this board or otherwise) driving at the speed limit was likely to lose control completely twice in 5 minutes, then I would rather that they killed themselves than someone else. Would you disagree?

fast bloke

seems from today press that they ALL have 'previous' (don't flame me if they don't - merely quoting the press..... who usually make **** up to suit the story)

GCollier

Of course I'd rather they kill themselves than an innocent third party.

But that's not the same as saying they deserve to die simply for the crime of poor car control, or applauding their death ("one more bad driver out of the way") should they have a fatal accident.

If you could look into the future and see for certain that these five youngsters would have wiped out innocent people around the next bend if they hadn't crashed, then I would have to agree that their own deaths were preferable. But just like stealing is not a crime befitting capital punishment, we can't see the future, so neither is simply increasing risk to other road users by driving dangerously. Although it is worthy of very serious punishment for sure.

Gary.

fast bloke

Can you see how a culture of 'break the law and be killed immediately' might be beneficial? Providing the law is fair and reasonable then I can't see a valid argument against it. You know the penalty before you make your choice. I live a life where even a criminal charge would have a severe impact on my lifestyle and a criminal conviction would pretty much finish me. Do you think I take the chance? What penalty did these kids face? 20 minutes painting a fence..... not the same motivation

GCollier

On the offchance you're not actually taking the **** with such a statement, in all honesty, no

Huxley

You play with fire,you expect to burn your fingers.


Who cares they are dead,Who gives a toss well not me that's for sure.

They all could have said "NO" and now for the good of mankind 5 less scumbags on the planet


Next, move along nothing more to say,lets wait for the next lot of scum to die

LegacySTi

iTrader: (13)

To all those who AREN'T poxy do-gooders and glad these scumbags are dead i'm with ye's!!!!!

Leslie

All understood Reality.

Please don't think I was trying to excuse their actions, and they deserved a strong and painful punishment for their apparent misbehaviour-such as a good tanning!

I was trying to say that because they were at that age they were more likely to jump the rails but at the same time it was tragic that they lost their lives doing it.

How many of us, myself included, have taken stupid risks at the time in life and got away with it as well as learnuing the lesson?

Les

Reality

I actually blame the parents - you get one chance to sort your kids and that happens from when they're born until they're about 7. If you **** it up then then you've nae chance to sort them out !

I've done stupid things yes - but I've never nicked a car and I have always (until recently) respected the police and the agencies that exist to keep our community going well.

The reason I couldn't give a toss about these 5 kids is that I believe they were scum from scummy families - I could be wrong - but there's more important things for me to worry about than 5 potential burglars / muggers / teenage mums not going on to fulfil their potential !

Reality can be harsh.

Big Den

Potential controversial comment but, the families will probably get less benefits now for having less dependants.

What a pi$$er - less beer, trips to the bookies and a reduced shoplifting team!!

Bluie

Another twist

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/s...es/4405168.stm

Reality

Oh well - one of them survived - the humanitarians will be pleased.

We'll see if he turns out be be a naughty kid or piece of ****.

I know where my money's at !

How long before we see a piccie of this little angel with his burberry cap and one finger in the air for the cameras or standing at the crash scene having "one for the road" - as is traditional with scum that die on the road ?

Iwan

So he had an Asbo, he was already disqualified despite being under the legal age for driving - indicating he's done this sort of thing before.

Clearly a good kid.

Actually I'm pretty disappointed he didn't die too, honestly. It's yet another scumbag my taxes will no doubt pay for holidays for to try and ease the suffering he feels for killing his 4 scumbag mates.

danwrx1980

six kids in a metro!
that would have been a squeeze!

and as for seeing if he turns into a piece of ****, we'll never know, coz he won't be named 'for legal reasons'. little ba£tards, he'lll be recruiting more mates for his next night out soon.

Reality

He wont be named in the courts - but trailer trash are innevitably drawn to the tabloid cash bonanza - We'll be seeing this little angel - I'm in no doubt of that !

Bluie

It wasn't on that BBC link, but on Ceefax it says he was not involved in the accident only nicking the car. He should get well and truly shafted since they can link the car to him.

With any luck they put him in Bubba's cell

Reality

The only way he'll get shafted is if they extradite him to Saudi Arabia and let them cut his hands off !

Flatcapdriver

I think he's married, mate.

Leslie

As I have said many timies before, bring back the birch, and use it with vigour!

les

Bluie

It's OK not Bubba off SN.

The Zohan

There is something to be said for this. I would like to see these habiitual law breakers humilliated so the respec' and cool is taken away from them and that are made to look like the stupid ***** they really are!

Bluie

Would totally agree, they should bring back the stocks so there is public humiliation. Most people would think twice if the sentence/punishment was more sever. Being shown up infront of peers.