Big Den

I'm afraid I'm in agreement with this opinion aswell.

Just watched the report on Sky News and one of the dad's interviewed included the following "he was a very popular and well liked young lad...." "he was 6foot 4 tall and a good lad..."

How the **** did he fit in a metro?

Like some of you have already said what did the parents think their teenage kids were doing in the early hours of the morning?

Hmmnn! Really!

Loads of Chavs & Chavettes hanging around the scene while the cameras were there.

Leslie

Well I would say that most of us tended to drive pretty fast at that age although in my case I would not steal a car and I would not have run away from the police. All down to the young driver I suppose, pushing it beyond the limit due to inexperience and lack of fear at the consequences.

Tragic for them all to get killed.

Les

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

swift justice

David Lock

Yes all their fault but they didn't deserve to die at that age. Very sad.

Phil

Never good to read about death but very well put sir

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

whats the betting it wont be long before one of the parents come out to blame the police for this tragedy

The Zohan

I feel sorry for the families it is still a tragedy. I hope other youngsters will learn from this but i sadly doubt it.

The kids made a choice to do what they did and have suffered the consequences of their actions. Tough but true. They should not have been out at 01:40hrs and should not steal cars they should not have been driving or in the car. Perhaps the parents need to take a long hard look at their part in this as well.

I also have a great deal of sympathy for the police and emergency services who had to deal with the incident. They had no choice in it!

I am gald they did not kill anyone else with their actions.

Jay m A

iTrader: (2)

Well I'll have to put my hands up and admit I've been wrong for all these years.

There is a good use for a Metro after all

Slartibartfast

Five less chav scum blighting our streets. Can't see the problem.

If only the parents could be brought to book as well, for lack of parental control.

Chip

At least they wont be able to steal another one either.

Chip

GCollier

All you keyboard warriors who think that the death of five young teenagers was a good or just outcome...

Would you be happy if our courts were handing out death sentences on children who steal a car?

Would you be happy to personally administer that punishment?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bubbling over with sympathy for these people, but I don't think in this case that the punishment fits the crime.

Gary.

Iwan

No sympathy at all, totally their choice as to the actions they took.

And 5 less ******* in the country too, bonus.

David Lock

Absolutely correct. Celebrating the death of 5 kids, however much they needed "teaching a lesson", is a sad reflection on the grown-ups in our society. dl

Poor Guy

whey! another car theif and scum off the planet. All praise the mighty metro!

idf101

I believe the expression "Live by the sword Die by the sword" applies.

The Zohan

I do agree however i think a lot of decent honest people are sick of being the victims of crime and seeing 'scum' getting away pretty much with what they want when they want.
Look at to recent docco's and series like UK crime and such. I know it does not reflect all odf society but a ever growing part uberclass that will soon be breeding and creating the next generation and likely to be in the majority.

Parents need to take responsibility and those that cannot need to be taught how to or the kids put in care or with relations who do care.

There is no respect or consideration for others shown by some. No real penalties or punishment for those who treasgress. Thsi wil get worse as the next generation come through 'the system'


What needs to happen is an investigation into why they where out so late , where the parents where and what can be done to prevent this in future.

I do genuinely feel sorry for nthe parents but they need to look at why their kids where out doing what they where doing and why they did not know or do anything about it.

brihoppy

i wonder had none of them died, what would have to have happened to them in that accident to never steal a car again...? disabilty of some kind? permanent disfigurement? i personally think that had they got away with a near miss, if theyd escaped the police, or even been caught, theyd be out nicking another car as soon as they had the chance...

i dont advocate the death penalty for car thieves, but like many others ive certainly no sympathy and im just glad no-one innocent was hurt...sad days were living in mes ami...!!!

Chrisgr31

As a matter of interest if good lads steal / ride in stolen cars what do bad lads do?

Chrisgr31

I wouldn't say that the death penalty fits the crime, but at the same time they took the risk and paid the ultimate price and I will not be sympathetic.

If they hadn't been killed they would have done it again as the punishment scheme in this country is so weak. If I had my way they would have been punished with lots of hours of community service, and that would mean actually time spent working, not preparing to work, or drinking tea etc, in clearly identifiable overalls so people knew they had done wrong.

I also see there is nothing for thos age group to do in the area, well surely its for the parents etc to arrange something for them to do? Wasn't anything arranged for me to do in the area I lived in at that age. I didn't steal cars or partake in other illegal activities though.

unclebuck

Indeed. It won't though. The parents are hamming up the 'victim' role for all they are worth by the sound of it.

No doubt they'll be wanting some kind of 'compensation' money for something soon, we can leave it to the human rights, ambulance chasing, no win no fee lawyer types to sort that one out.

Fuzz

Little sympathy???

No...

I have absolutely none !

Andy

paulr

Well put Gary.Stupid and idiotic,but that doesnt justify losing your life.

SiDHEaD

Gooooooood. Has saved other people who would have been victims of their crimes in the future. Bye bye scum. Clearly worthless pieces of ****!

David Lock

I wonder how many heartless sods posting on here actually have kids of that age? Probably not many and so you have no idea of the huge worry parents have - well I have anyway - about youngsters in cars. Weren't there two girl passengers? Possibly dragged along by peer pressure and the boys showing off. Ignoring the best advice of their parents. Yes the parents should not have young daughters out at that time of night but it happens! I agree with all comments about the ineffectiveness of punishment these days but that isn't the point. Soft on crime yeah but doesn't UK have one of the highest prison populations in Europe - so how do you square that circle? My sympathies to the families. dl

douglasb

Les, I normally agree with most of what you post, but I have to disagree here. At that age, I wasn't driving. (Actually, not strictly true as at the age of 15 I drove off-road on the Isle of Mull under parental instruction - bit of a difference though between that and stealing a car and driving on public roads).

I'll agree that when I had passed my test and was driving legally in cars that weren't stolen, I may not always have driven sensibly. You and I got away with it.

It's very easy for me to sit here with the benefit of >30 years hindsight and say that I wouldn't have run from the police either. I don't think I would have and think that back then I would have realised that I was breaking the law and would have stopped to take the consequences. However, I never stole a car while underage, never drove without insurance, didn't stop when chased by police, etc.

All down to all of them thinking it is OK to steal a car and take it for a "joyride" when none of them has a clue how to drive, never mind cope with other road users.

Agreed. I feel for their parents' loss but it should never have happened, because they should never have been there in the first place.

Doug

JTaylor

I have to say I'm staggered by the amount of otherwise reasonable people who have said "good" in response to hearing about the death of five children in a car accident. When I first posted on this thread (page 1) I had no idea the car had been nicked nor that the police had been in persuit. Now that I'm armed with the facts I still have sympathy with all of those involved.

If the the kids were in a VW Golf Mk 4 (rather then in a matchbox Metro), they may well have survived with serious injury.

Do those that were glad of their passing think that it may have been possible for these kids to have changed if they had survived? Does succumbing to peer pressure and indulging in an anti-social act of rebellion really warrent the death penalty?

This comes from somebody who's had one car nicked and two broken into and yes, I was really, really pissed off. This also comes from somebody who was once seconded to the Prince's Trust. Amongst the team that I lead were recovering heroin addicts, a lad who'd just left juvenille detention and yes, you've guessed it, a car thief. When the course was complete these "scumbags" and "*******" shed a few tears because, for the first time in their lives somebody had shown them respect, offered support and encouragement and demonstrated an alternative path. With one exception all these lads (and lady) have secured jobs and now lead a normal life.

Sometimes people are a victims of social circumstance and when faced with choices, such as whether to ride in a nicked car, they can make the wrong one. To be non-plussed or even glad that a child has died as a result of making a bad decision defies belief.

unclebuck

Things like this might explain it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/4127082.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/4130288.stm

People have just about had it 'up to here' with these sorts and their parents, and I'm sure this is seen as some kind of moral justice outside of the endlessly sympathetic court sysrem for all those who have died at their hands.

rr_ww

Im saddened by the people saying "Its a terrible thing they died"

No it f*cking isnt. If they had survived and escaped they would have done it again. Even if they'd been caught by the Police, it would have been a slap on the wrist. And they would of done it again.

I dont give a monkeys about "Peer Pressure" either. A lot of my friends when I was 14-16 either drank or smoked Cannabis. I never partaked in either. I also was never out on the street after midnight.

I repeat. This is NO LOSS to British Society.

mart360

I have a son, almost 14 give or take a few months, many of the SN who Know me have met him also, I think i can safley say i know where he is at the times i need to know, and at 1.40 am he,s certainly not out in a stolen car!, if anything, he knows the value of car and not just in monetary terms.

Its harsh that all 5 died, but lets look at some pertinant facts. The car they were in was stolen. They failed to stop when requested. None was licensed to drive. 3 pretty major contributors to the outcome...

how would you feel, if prhaps they had clipped your wife or child as they lost control, and they walked away and one of your loved ones died??

would you be of the same stance?? yes its a tragic loss, so what now? a unlawfull killing verdict at inquest, or death by misadventure??

as some of the other posters have correctly identified, if they had walked away, the bragging rights, would have only led to somthing far more serious.
nothing that an asbo would have prevented!!

although the deaths are tragic, it wont change anything, of that i think most of us will be certain

Mart

mart360

It would be a start, and a darn site more effective than a free holiday, or an asbo..

if the role of public exacutioner(sp) was brought back i doubt there would be any shortage of applicants.

what would have worked here, counselling? asbo? points on the already non exsistent licence? they played the equivalent of russian roullette on wheels and found the loaded chamber.

unfortuantly you cant change what has happened, if you see my earlier post, they were the ones who caused the eventual outcome, by there actions alone.

Mart