TruthHurts

Start panic buying and screw it up early. Classic.

JTaylor

Hence my use of the word perceived to qualify this. I do however believe it to be an injustice based on the "value for money" concept.

High tax should equal a high standard of living. This is not the case in this country and as a confirmed petrolhead I feel this increasingly. Time to take a stand!

bluto22b

Well, that's no problem mate, if you are on holiday use your spare time to help blockade a refinery. Please don't be selfish, something needs to be done to lower the duty on fuel.

Bluto
(Retired haulage boss)

pnbond007

iTrader: (1)

Must stock up on bread & milk,

Scoob's ok for a week or two & if I can't travel the 120 miles to work & back, then I guess I'll stay at home and watch Tricia.......

jimmy boo

So am I but unfortunately having written off my Accord in a ditch I sneaked onto the forecourt in my courtesy Corsa and didn't have a clue how to get the fuel cap off........which looked impressive

johnfelstead

That's me screwed then. Wednesday travel Machester to Stafford and back to prep the racecars. (128 miles) Thursday leave from Manchester to Goodwood for the revival meeting (260 miles), Friday night drive to dono for the tuner GP (214 miles), Sat night drive back down to Goodwood (214 miles), Sunday night drive back to Manchester(260 miles). Total mileage of 1076 miles. ****.

ScoobyDoo555

LMAO @ jimmy boo
**** happens eh?

Dan

Scoobychick

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John, start panic buying, you know it makes sense I'm travelling down to Wales for the WRC so plenty of miles for me too next week (although not quite as many as you ) but I'm pretty confident my car will do the whole lot on one tank - I just won't have enough to get home again

Abdabz

With a bit of luck the government will send in riot police with plastic bullets to disperse the retards at the blockades...

Jamescsti

You have no chance mate! that will just make the government look even worse, protesters wouldn't be able to buy that sort of publicity!

pslewis

The last protest was the time to extract something from the government ..........

This time they are ready!!

There will be no shortage and any blockade will be blown out of the way - we have a set of Apache helicopters now!!

Go on Tony, give it to them!!

It ALWAYS amazes me how many people on here rant and rave and moan and whine and rant and cry and blubber ............... but, are then too busy (sadly) to stand up and be counted!! Feeble weak minded babies!!

Pete

MickeyWRX

TONY G - i know what you mean about Wales Rally GB im travelling from northumberland was looking forward to taking the Impreza but i gues it might have to be the lasses's Ford Ka, i hope it doesnt happen next wed need the car for at least till the end ogf the Rally!

andy_scouser

Its the rally of Wales, isn't it !!! South Wales at that.

jaminrat

i 100% agree with the refinary blockades , and to all those people saying the government will tax us elsewhere, maybe the government should cut their salaries a bit , or stop spending money on helping junkies, or stop giving the UN-genuine dole claimers giro's so they can sit on their fat *****! and stop taxing the car owners for once

johnfelstead

I dont have a choice but to get some stocks in, just in case. Bit of a ball ache really.

redwrx

Rather than blockade the refinaries, why not, boycott buying the stuff...... mad as it sounds

If every person refused to buy fuel for one day, imagine how much lost revenue that would mean '£millions'................

or alternatively, blockade all petrol stations, there's a damn site more petrol stations than there are refinaries - that would take some police-ing.


As much as its hurting our pockets, theyve got us by the short n curlies ....... i work 2 mins from Stanlow Oil refinary in Cheshire, last time it was shear madness. As much as im in favour of doing something, im not sure blockading will force the governments hand........ Whilst the price of fuell is concerning, i am more concerned with the re-sale value of my car. Who's going to want to buy petrol thirsty cars.

FirebirdUK

I don't think the whole "don't buy petrol on a certain day" would really do anything...

If you knew you wasn't supposed to buy it on a Tuesday, people would either fill up on the Monday or wait until the Wednesday. The oil companies would get the same amount of money regardless... Unless I'm missing something?

Luminous

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You're right Firebird, most people would do that.

I think a good option is the refinery blockade. Also, normal motorists could have lots of go slow drives on choke routes during peak times. With luck it should totally clog things up, giving the police even more to do. If a lot of safe, noticeable havoc is created, the government may just reduce the tax levels by the amount of extra revenue they are pulling in.

I doubt we will get them to do anymore immediately. They do need to know how strongly we feel about it for the future though. Would be nice if it was made an election issue. Unfortunately we missed that chance

oilman

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There is in fact no direct tax on Kerosene, merely 5% vat.

Cheers
Simon

NEWBIEDOO

stop ****ing winging on about it. you can't do anything about it anyway. If the price of fuel is going to go up, it's going to go up, and we will still buy it, because we still need it.

I don't agree with the price of fuel, but it's just a waste of complaining, because we are the little people that have to put up with what the big guy's want to do.

Shut up, get on with it.

NEWBIEDOO

Oh, and Morrisons in Hartlepool have Premium Unleaded for 91.9p, gonna have to start using that me thinks

Luminous

iTrader: (3)

Nope

We can do something about it, and we are

The US has just suspended fuel tax while the price of oil sorts itself out. You don't see our government doing anything do you?

You do not even see them returning the extra VAT that they are getting to try and help....

dsmith

They could easily drop the fixed tax a little to match the increase in VAT and be revenue neutral.

Would only be a few pence but would show willing.

Brit_in_Japan

The govt has spending committments it needs to meet, like increased spending on the NHS, more police, more money to schools etc. The war in Iraq is costing a lot. Irrespective of whether you agree with the war or not, now our troops are there we have a duty to give them the tools, equipment, environment needed to do the job. These are not party political points, just facts.

The govt need to meet it's committments. Therefore if it cut fuel duty, it would need to raise that tax some other way. What additional taxation would people prefer?
- hands up for VAT being increased ?
- hands up for increasing the basic and/or higher rates of income tax ?
- hands up for increased tax on beer, wine and spirits ?

Remember that fuel duty is a very efficient tax to collect and very difficult to cheat. In this respect it is a much better tax than income tax or VAT where those who favour the cash-in-hand cheat the chancellor out of billions per year. So increases in VAT and income tax will hit the law abiding citizen more than the cheats. Taxation changes may disadvantage you, but so long as you feel better every time you fill up with fuel everything is rosy, yes?

The govt cannot control the root causes of the recent increases. They will get the tax they need by hook or by crook and it might disadvantage you compared to paying the current fuel duty. I can't see anything positive coming from fuel protests.

Luminous

iTrader: (3)

But they are getting extra tax because they slap VAT on top of the the fuel prices AND duty.

Imo, VAT should be cut completely from fuel, and a new fuel duty levied at an appropraite rate. In your terms that would be a higher, but static fuel duty.

This would mean that any increases in price were really out of the governments control. At the moment they are not, 17.5% is added as extra duty to all the increases in fuel prices

This extra money was never planned to be spent. Therefore there should be no need to collect it. If the government have got their sums wrong with their spending commitments they should say so. It is not time to cash in when oil prices jump up

The US has cut fuel duty completely to try and help people out during this period....

Brit_in_Japan

Increased VAT revenue is a result of increased prices, it is not the cause. The govt do get more revenue, but then again I am sure their fuel bills have increased substantially too. Gordon Brown is struggling to balance his books this year because the economy is not growing as fast as expected. If the extra VAT is used to offset the tax rise he may otherwise have to make, it's good in my book.

Luminous

iTrader: (3)

Well I can see your point, but I don't agree with it.

Taxing transport just leaves a bitter taste in people's mouths. They see how much they pay, then they see the congestion and the state of repair of the roads. I'd rather see the tax they needed raised through income tax.

jaminrat

the government should stop giving benefits to the UN-genuine lazy gits who sit on their butt all day , stop paying out for other countries problems , and stop putting junkies into rehab , leave us car owners alone for once

mart360

Expect billy to be out in the streets feeling your anguish, and sharing your pain...

right before he fips the bird and doubles the tax...


and dont say you we,rnt warned...


right before the last round of voting.. it was catagorically stated that billy would butf*ck all motorists...

and all the new labia puppys went spin.. oh no he wont and 35% of sheep voted him back in...


guess who,s laughing now!!!!!!



agreed its hard with prices the way they are.... but prhaps next time you,ll listen and look at the bigger picture.. and actually vote to make change.. not spin and crap



the french do it and get results...



we did it last time ad got a result...

wiped billys smug smartarsed smile right of his face......


and before anyone tries to defend him..... we know it hurt, because, he "broke one of his human rights" and legislated against it..


what was it.... "everyone has the right to peacefull protest"

and because the protest was just that he looked a right muppet, and now has invoked army powers...


\Breach of our rights billy boy......!!!!

but what do you expext from the party of spin and sleeze!!!


hoodies.... do as you like ,,,, human rights init...

peaceful protest.. legislate to stop it happening.....

innocent until proven guilty..... unless your a motorist.. then we will legislate out a major part of our historical statute..

billy hates motorists..


four legs bad two legs good!!


Mart

ARM-Scooby

the uk government get more from the motorist now that ever before, so you do have to wonder why they dont want to help their own out, we all need fuel and therefore will not buy other things (higher value, luxury goods) to make sure we can still buy fuel. In the long run this is a basic run to a recession. Gas goes up, trains have to go up, buses, airline tickets go up etc. all due to fuel, this increases the cost of living for a normal person and therefore their spare cash at the end of the month is reduced, so less luxury goods are bought and that means a slow down in the market and so on.

The government are making tons of cash from speed cameras, they now have more cash from car taxing (as its computerised and more accurate), you have to pay to park on pretty much all city streets now.

Surely they can reduce the tax to help us and the economy out?