Question about Red-Stuff Ceramic pads
25 August 2005, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Buckrogers
So what are you going to do?
Effectivley you have had two front sets for the price of one, a set of rear yellow's is around £40.
Are you going to give them a chance or bin them and continue to slag them off?
Effectivley you have had two front sets for the price of one, a set of rear yellow's is around £40.
Are you going to give them a chance or bin them and continue to slag them off?
Bob
25 August 2005, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
Fecking hell mate. I already have one on my back and your wishing death upon me too? Over cheap brake pads 
Ahh, I see. I wouldn't wish death upon anyone. My Dad is terminally ill with cancer.
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26 August 2005, 03:08 AM
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The Nurburgring is actually very easy on the brakes, despite its awesome reputation. I've just come back and after about 20 laps the wear on my front Pagid RS421s is no more than 1mm or so. Half these laps were wet so this obviously helped, but we were travelling in some fast company 
If you want to really push brakes to the limit, ten laps of Donington will do it. Not so long ago, one prominent Scoobynetter managed to get through two sets of EBC Greenstuff pads in one day around there
Buck, EBC do not have the best reputation on here and it will take some time for long memories to change. Why not do some serious side-by-side comparison tests, maybe with the help of ScoobyMag? If you like, I'll do it for you, and it will cost a lot less than a single ad in Max Power. (Serious offer.) Giving a set to John Felstead to try is not the same thing at all. I have the utmost respect for John, but a direct comparison test is what's needed. Until then, I'm sticking with Pagid and Ferodo in my AP brakes.
Best regards,
Richard.
If you want to really push brakes to the limit, ten laps of Donington will do it. Not so long ago, one prominent Scoobynetter managed to get through two sets of EBC Greenstuff pads in one day around there
Buck, EBC do not have the best reputation on here and it will take some time for long memories to change. Why not do some serious side-by-side comparison tests, maybe with the help of ScoobyMag? If you like, I'll do it for you, and it will cost a lot less than a single ad in Max Power. (Serious offer.) Giving a set to John Felstead to try is not the same thing at all. I have the utmost respect for John, but a direct comparison test is what's needed. Until then, I'm sticking with Pagid and Ferodo in my AP brakes.
Best regards,
Richard.
26 August 2005, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Hoppy
The Nurburgring is actually very easy on the brakes, despite its awesome reputation. I've just come back and after about 20 laps the wear on my front Pagid RS421s is no more than 1mm or so. Half these laps were wet so this obviously helped, but we were travelling in some fast company
Originally Posted by Hoppy
If you want to really push brakes to the limit, ten laps of Donington will do it. Not so long ago, one prominent Scoobynetter managed to get through two sets of EBC Greenstuff pads in one day around there
Originally Posted by Hoppy
Buck, EBC do not have the best reputation on here and it will take some time for long memories to change. Why not do some serious side-by-side comparison tests, maybe with the help of ScoobyMag? If you like, I'll do it for you, and it will cost a lot less than a single ad in Max Power. (Serious offer.)
Originally Posted by Hoppy
Giving a set to John Felstead to try is not the same thing at all. I have the utmost respect for John, but a direct comparison test is what's needed. Until then, I'm sticking with Pagid and Ferodo in my AP brakes.
Best regards,
Richard.
Best regards,
Richard.
Regards
Buck
27 August 2005, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Buckrogers
It should be DP41293R
These are £68:91 inc vat and inc del, if thats still of interest?
Buck
These are £68:91 inc vat and inc del, if thats still of interest?
Buck
To date they haven't try to sell me anything, nor have they profited from anything they have provided. They have provided everything free of charge.
Very helpful people whom I would recommend to anyone.
Buck, is it worth the risk of trying to make a small sale instead of trying to resolve the problem with a product you solely sell? Risky, as I had a good mind to put the EBC pads in the bin and continue to share my views with anyone who asked.
Regards,
Bob
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27 August 2005, 09:28 PM
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I did about 4500 miles on my front redstuff pads before I sold the car. Difference over OEM pads was amazing (Mod'd '95 UK Wagon - 270ish bhp). With those silly little OEM discs as fitted back then fade was a huge problem. With the redstuffs it was so much better. I'd buy them again.
28 August 2005, 01:31 PM
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Fluid booling and pad fade are two completely diferent problems with two completely diferent symptoms and fixes. Now what is your problem Bob, Fluid or pad compound? I cant see anywhere in this thread where you explain the problem you are experiencing in a way that allows me to understand the issue.
No disrespect Hoppy, but the braking force you experienced at the 'ring was nothing compared to the forces my STi5 was seeing round there, you dont know the track enough to be able to push the car to test the brakes at anything like the level you can experience there. As to other driving to test the brakes, I did some very hard driving accross the Alps in a fully loaded up car whilst i was trying the pads out during my trip to the Catalunya rally. I drove every stage of that rally too, anyone on the trip will be able to testify how hard the brakes were pushed, i set them on fire (the red paint was burning, not the compound) on the shakedown stage yet experienced no fade.
As to comparisons with other pads, i probably did more driving on track than anyone with an Impreza for a couple of years, and i used various pads including Mintex and Ferrodo in various compounds. The bigest benefit with the EBC's was lack of dust and consistency, a day using Ferrodo or Mintex left a huge amount of work to clean the wheels, Ferrodo's in particular left deposits on the disks which caused vibration which some would think was disk warping.
Wear rate is dependant on the disk in use, if you have grooved disks the rate will increase compared to the equivilent plain disk. If you are using small OEM disks they will run hotter than new age STi disks for example, so will wear more quickly. Pad choice is all about matching the pad to your driving, some drivers are much harder on the pad than others, which is why you are always going to see variations in wear rate on the same equipment and why you should choose the compound to match your expected driving style. If you are driving in a manner than overheats the disks (have you measured the disk temps?) you need to improve the cooling to the disk or go for larger disks, it wouldnt matter what pad you used if you are overheating the disks, as they will wear the disk and pad prematurely. A good sign of overheated disks is lots of grooving after a hard run, the best way to see what temps you are seeing is to use some thermal paint from AP racing.
No disrespect Hoppy, but the braking force you experienced at the 'ring was nothing compared to the forces my STi5 was seeing round there, you dont know the track enough to be able to push the car to test the brakes at anything like the level you can experience there. As to other driving to test the brakes, I did some very hard driving accross the Alps in a fully loaded up car whilst i was trying the pads out during my trip to the Catalunya rally. I drove every stage of that rally too, anyone on the trip will be able to testify how hard the brakes were pushed, i set them on fire (the red paint was burning, not the compound) on the shakedown stage yet experienced no fade.
As to comparisons with other pads, i probably did more driving on track than anyone with an Impreza for a couple of years, and i used various pads including Mintex and Ferrodo in various compounds. The bigest benefit with the EBC's was lack of dust and consistency, a day using Ferrodo or Mintex left a huge amount of work to clean the wheels, Ferrodo's in particular left deposits on the disks which caused vibration which some would think was disk warping.
Wear rate is dependant on the disk in use, if you have grooved disks the rate will increase compared to the equivilent plain disk. If you are using small OEM disks they will run hotter than new age STi disks for example, so will wear more quickly. Pad choice is all about matching the pad to your driving, some drivers are much harder on the pad than others, which is why you are always going to see variations in wear rate on the same equipment and why you should choose the compound to match your expected driving style. If you are driving in a manner than overheats the disks (have you measured the disk temps?) you need to improve the cooling to the disk or go for larger disks, it wouldnt matter what pad you used if you are overheating the disks, as they will wear the disk and pad prematurely. A good sign of overheated disks is lots of grooving after a hard run, the best way to see what temps you are seeing is to use some thermal paint from AP racing.
28 August 2005, 03:33 PM
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My understanding is boiled fluid will result in no brakes with a very long pedal. Pad fade will result in a firm pedal, but no brakes.
I've only ever experienced the first.
The only things I've noticed with my EBC discs and pads are:-
1. A "gushing/whooshing" noise when using them hard
2. They stink to high heaven when really hot
3. They get 'very' hot if you drive them hard. A lot hotter than my old Godspeed setup, but I'd expect that from a single disc setup.
Stefan
My understanding is boiled fluid will result in no brakes with a very long pedal. Pad fade will result in a firm pedal, but no brakes.
I've only ever experienced the first.
The only things I've noticed with my EBC discs and pads are:-
1. A "gushing/whooshing" noise when using them hard
2. They stink to high heaven when really hot
3. They get 'very' hot if you drive them hard. A lot hotter than my old Godspeed setup, but I'd expect that from a single disc setup.
Stefan
29 August 2005, 11:27 PM
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John mate, I don't think we have any disagreement but I will say two things that are relevant and that I stand by, and they are a) except for one lap, I was not behind the wheel of my car at the Ring and my pilot was a lot quicker than most, b) although there is obviously a lot of hard braking at the Ring, there are very few corners where you go from very high speed to very low speed in one big push, and also not without a reasonable time for cooling before the next hard stop. At Donington, just the opposite applies so that is a better place to undertake extreme heat testing. It is also a popular track with Scooby drivers, so relevant.
All I am suggesting is a comparison test, back to back with different pads/discs, and yes, of course using heat paint to aid judgement. Also, and just as importantly, we would need some objective way of measuring cold performance. On a road car, probably the most important time for good stopping is 30-0mph in winter. On balance, albeit subjectively, some EBC pads have not scored well in this area on ScoobyNet.
I have no axe to grind; just the opposite. EBC are trying to make a good impression and, in good faith, I think the foregoing might help their cause. And relative to EBC's marketing budget this would seem like a no-brainer investment.
Best,
Richard.
but I will say two things that are relevant and that I stand by, and they are a) except for one lap, I was not behind the wheel of my car at the Ring and my pilot was a lot quicker than most, b) although there is obviously a lot of hard braking at the Ring, there are very few corners where you go from very high speed to very low speed in one big push, and also not without a reasonable time for cooling before the next hard stop. At Donington, just the opposite applies so that is a better place to undertake extreme heat testing. It is also a popular track with Scooby drivers, so relevant.All I am suggesting is a comparison test, back to back with different pads/discs, and yes, of course using heat paint to aid judgement. Also, and just as importantly, we would need some objective way of measuring cold performance. On a road car, probably the most important time for good stopping is 30-0mph in winter. On balance, albeit subjectively, some EBC pads have not scored well in this area on ScoobyNet.
I have no axe to grind; just the opposite. EBC are trying to make a good impression and, in good faith, I think the foregoing might help their cause. And relative to EBC's marketing budget this would seem like a no-brainer investment.
Best,
Richard.
29 August 2005, 11:55 PM
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E-mail i've just sent to EBC.
Hello.
There's a bit of a debate raging on Scoobynet at the moment re: the quality of Redstuff pads. I have every confidence in the product and have used them on my Prelude and Type RA.
I genuinely believe you'd benefit greatly from a test with SN witnesses / testers so as to provide conclusive results under test conditions.
I would be willing to be involved in the test in exchage for a few sets of Redstuffs and no doubt others would be also.
I have posted this mail in your sponsored segment of the site and will look forward to your response.
Best Wishes
James
Hello.
There's a bit of a debate raging on Scoobynet at the moment re: the quality of Redstuff pads. I have every confidence in the product and have used them on my Prelude and Type RA.
I genuinely believe you'd benefit greatly from a test with SN witnesses / testers so as to provide conclusive results under test conditions.
I would be willing to be involved in the test in exchage for a few sets of Redstuffs and no doubt others would be also.
I have posted this mail in your sponsored segment of the site and will look forward to your response.
Best Wishes
James
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30 August 2005, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by johnfelstead
Fluid booling and pad fade are two completely diferent problems with two completely diferent symptoms and fixes. Now what is your problem Bob, Fluid or pad compound? I cant see anywhere in this thread where you explain the problem you are experiencing in a way that allows me to understand the issue.
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http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...=420648&page=2
Pad fade from what I can tell.
Bob
31 August 2005, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
Its interesting. Mocomracing.com who have no vested interest in sales on this site are going to great lengths to resolve the matter. Today they kindly dropped off some fluid to try out before replacing the rears.
To date they haven't try to sell me anything, nor have they profited from anything they have provided. They have provided everything free of charge.
Very helpful people whom I would recommend to anyone.
To date they haven't try to sell me anything, nor have they profited from anything they have provided. They have provided everything free of charge.
Very helpful people whom I would recommend to anyone.
Originally Posted by BOB'5
Buck, is it worth the risk of trying to make a small sale instead of trying to resolve the problem with a product you solely sell? Risky, as I had a good mind to put the EBC pads in the bin and continue to share my views with anyone who asked.
Regards,
Bob
Regards,
Bob
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31 August 2005, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
E-mail i've just sent to EBC.
Hello.
There's a bit of a debate raging on Scoobynet at the moment re: the quality of Redstuff pads. I have every confidence in the product and have used them on my Prelude and Type RA.
I genuinely believe you'd benefit greatly from a test with SN witnesses / testers so as to provide conclusive results under test conditions.
I would be willing to be involved in the test in exchage for a few sets of Redstuffs and no doubt others would be also.
I have posted this mail in your sponsored segment of the site and will look forward to your response.
Best Wishes
James
Hello.
There's a bit of a debate raging on Scoobynet at the moment re: the quality of Redstuff pads. I have every confidence in the product and have used them on my Prelude and Type RA.
I genuinely believe you'd benefit greatly from a test with SN witnesses / testers so as to provide conclusive results under test conditions.
I would be willing to be involved in the test in exchage for a few sets of Redstuffs and no doubt others would be also.
I have posted this mail in your sponsored segment of the site and will look forward to your response.
Best Wishes
James
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...&page=16&pp=20
half way down.
The Redstuff Ceramic compound has not changed since this test.
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Buck
31 August 2005, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Buckrogers
Bob, you approached us with the promise of free advertising / recommendation on Scoobynet if we give you a front set of Yellows to replace your Ceramic's.
I do find it amusing how you're still trying to make a quick £, whilst others are geniunely interested in resolving the issue. 'MY PROBLEM' as you so kindly put it had nothing whatsoever to do with Mocomracing.com, and they aproached me with the offer of sending me free pads for evaluation.
Originally Posted by Buckrogers
What do you want?
Buck
31 August 2005, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
I did no such thing. I may have offered to test the new YellowStuff'R' compound, but no more than that. Best to get your facts straight.
I do find it amusing how you're still trying to make a quick £, whilst others are geniunely interested in resolving the issue. 'MY PROBLEM' as you so kindly put it had nothing whatsoever to do with Mocomracing.com, and they aproached me with the offer of sending me free pads for evaluation.
Well let me see.....
I do find it amusing how you're still trying to make a quick £, whilst others are geniunely interested in resolving the issue. 'MY PROBLEM' as you so kindly put it had nothing whatsoever to do with Mocomracing.com, and they aproached me with the offer of sending me free pads for evaluation.
Well let me see.....
What is this: http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...=420648&page=2
if not an advert?
Which followed on from this:
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showpost....2&postcount=37
I will ask the webmaster if he can undelete a private message from you which confirms the "free ad", which you certainly did state.
I dont lie on public forums, it comes back to bite.
I have asked you a simple question, what do you want from us? You tell me what you want, I will say yes or no. Its quite simple.
I have tried endlessly to help you, repeatedly asking you to contact EBC technical for advice. What do you do? Keep banging away asking me what is the solution to your problem.
I have offered you a set of pads and now you turn around and say we just want to make money out of you. Well it seems you just want everything for free.
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31 August 2005, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Buckrogers
"EBC Brakes Direct" are not EBC Brakes themselves. We are a completely seperate and independant company. EBC Brakes offered free pads to Scoobynet Plus users some time ago. Without re-reading the 17 odd page thread, around 20 to 30 sets of pads were given to SN users.
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...&page=16&pp=20
half way down.
The Redstuff Ceramic compound has not changed since this test.
Regards
Buck
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...&page=16&pp=20
half way down.
The Redstuff Ceramic compound has not changed since this test.
Regards
Buck
31 August 2005, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Buckrogers
You certainly did Bob. You offered to test the yellows report your findings and the company name who supplied you. That is Free advertising.
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Let me school you quickly as you don’t seem to have much of a grasp of business:
1: Product evaluation - True findings publicised regardless of whether negative or positive
2. Free advertising - Advertising a product, without cost with a direct bias of how the company wants to the product promoted.
Now you tell me which applies? 1 or 2?
Originally Posted by Buckrogers
What is this: http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...=420648&page=2
if not an advert?
Which followed on from this:
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showpost....2&postcount=37
.
Originally Posted by Buckrogers
I will ask the webmaster if he can undelete a private message from you which confirms the "free ad", which you certainly did state.
I don’t lie on public forums, it comes back to bite.
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Originally Posted by Buckrogers
I have asked you a simple question, what do you want from us? You tell me what you want, I will say yes or no. Its quite simple.
I have tried endlessly to help you, repeatedly asking you to contact EBC technical for advice. What do you do? Keep banging away asking me what is the solution to your problem.
I have offered you a set of pads and now you turn around and say we just want to make money out of you. Well it seems you just want everything for free.
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Still you persist in trying to make money out of my situation with brake troubles. Bit of a gamble in my book, trying make a quick £ with the risk of me putting a product you solely sell in the bin and drawing a line under it.
If I was in your position I would want to resolve the matter and clear the EBC product name. Instead you choose to try and profit from the situation. I think you've lost more in sales than it would have cost you if you we're forthcoming and helpful.
Originally Posted by Buckrogers
I have offered you a set of pads and now you turn around and say we just want to make money out of you. Well it seems you just want everything for free.
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Its not a matter of wanting something for free. I purchased EBC products which were in all honesty, crap. I was quite happy to bin them and vow not to touch EBC products again. Instead a company offered me a replacement product FOC to trial and review. Now it is failing, the biggest beneficiary (yourself) is defending the product but is not willing to help. Puts me in a situation whereas I have to go back to Mocomracing and ask them for their help, although I don’t see that it benefits them. Its just costing them £££s to help and you will just sit here and benefit from their time and money without helping out.
Bob
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
Offering to test a product and report findings is a bit different to 'free advertising'.
Let me school you quickly as you don’t seem to have much of a grasp of business:
1: Product evaluation - True findings publicised regardless of whether negative or positive
2. Free advertising - Advertising a product, without cost with a direct bias of how the company wants to the product promoted.
Now you tell me which applies? 1 or 2?
Again. You tell me? 1 or 2? Can’t see how anyone would call that advertising as it looks quite negative and unbiased to me
Please do.
Its easy to ask the question now when someone is already helping. I just for the life of me can’t understand why these guys at mocomracing.com are going to such lengths to help me when it doesn’t benefit them. The biggest beneficiary of any EBC product promotion is yourself. Therefore one would assume you would the most to lose with any problems with the product and would be the first to help. Instead it’s " Its YOUR problem" from you and "we'll get to the bottom of it" from Mocomracing.
Still you persist in trying to make money out of my situation with brake troubles. Bit of a gamble in my book, trying make a quick £ with the risk of me putting a product you solely sell in the bin and drawing a line under it.
If I was in your position I would want to resolve the matter and clear the EBC product name. Instead you choose to try and profit from the situation. I think you've lost more in sales than it would have cost you if you we're forthcoming and helpful.
You offered to sell me a set of pads. That is just you wanting to make money out of the situation.
Its not a matter of wanting something for free. I purchased EBC products which were in all honesty, crap. I was quite happy to bin them and vow not to touch EBC products again. Instead a company offered me a replacement product FOC to trial and review. Now it is failing, the biggest beneficiary (yourself) is defending the product but is not willing to help. Puts me in a situation whereas I have to go back to Mocomracing and ask them for their help, although I don’t see that it benefits them. Its just costing them £££s to help and you will just sit here and benefit from their time and money without helping out.
Bob
Let me school you quickly as you don’t seem to have much of a grasp of business:
1: Product evaluation - True findings publicised regardless of whether negative or positive
2. Free advertising - Advertising a product, without cost with a direct bias of how the company wants to the product promoted.
Now you tell me which applies? 1 or 2?
Again. You tell me? 1 or 2? Can’t see how anyone would call that advertising as it looks quite negative and unbiased to me
Please do.
Its easy to ask the question now when someone is already helping. I just for the life of me can’t understand why these guys at mocomracing.com are going to such lengths to help me when it doesn’t benefit them. The biggest beneficiary of any EBC product promotion is yourself. Therefore one would assume you would the most to lose with any problems with the product and would be the first to help. Instead it’s " Its YOUR problem" from you and "we'll get to the bottom of it" from Mocomracing.
Still you persist in trying to make money out of my situation with brake troubles. Bit of a gamble in my book, trying make a quick £ with the risk of me putting a product you solely sell in the bin and drawing a line under it.
If I was in your position I would want to resolve the matter and clear the EBC product name. Instead you choose to try and profit from the situation. I think you've lost more in sales than it would have cost you if you we're forthcoming and helpful.
You offered to sell me a set of pads. That is just you wanting to make money out of the situation.
Its not a matter of wanting something for free. I purchased EBC products which were in all honesty, crap. I was quite happy to bin them and vow not to touch EBC products again. Instead a company offered me a replacement product FOC to trial and review. Now it is failing, the biggest beneficiary (yourself) is defending the product but is not willing to help. Puts me in a situation whereas I have to go back to Mocomracing and ask them for their help, although I don’t see that it benefits them. Its just costing them £££s to help and you will just sit here and benefit from their time and money without helping out.
Bob
I do see some of your points and do understand where you are coming from.
I never treated YOUR problem in the manner you describe. I simply did not have the technical knowledge to help you further and asked that you contact EBC Technical, because they should have the knowledge, for advice. I kept repeating this to you but you just seemed to ignore this and keep banging on about having no faith in the pad.
Momracing are in a win win situation. They do not make the brake pad they just sell them. They have stepped in and offered you a replacement set of Yellows which is very good of them. They will also receive free advertisement of this fact, alongside of the product review.
Thanks for the business tip. Which ever way you look at it, it is a free advert for momoracing.
I know you have already stated you can find better pricing then us.
I said to you, "a set of rear yellow's is around £40." Hardly pushing you to buy them from us? Did use a link to the item? Or quote a part number? Quote a telephone number? How on earth can I sell to you, already knowing you can get them cheaper?
As a sign of goodwill I will give you a set of rears free.
PM your name and delivery address if this is of interest.
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31 August 2005, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Okey dokey. Can I have some free pads please?
The free test was done many months ago and was offered by EBC Brakes themselves. (See above link for details).
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Buck
31 August 2005, 04:29 PM
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Bob
I do see some of your points and do understand where you are coming from.
I never treated YOUR problem in the manner you describe. I simply did not have the technical knowledge to help you further and asked that you contact EBC Technical, because they should have the knowledge, for advice. I kept repeating this to you but you just seemed to ignore this and keep banging on about having no faith in the pad.
Momracing are in a win win situation. They do not make the brake pad they just sell them. They have stepped in and offered you a replacement set of Yellows which is very good of them. They will also receive free advertisement of this fact, alongside of the product review.
Thanks for the business tip. Which ever way you look at it, it is a free advert for momoracing.
I know you have already stated you can find better pricing then us.
I said to you, "a set of rear yellow's is around £40." Hardly pushing you to buy them from us? Did use a link to the item? Or quote a part number? Quote a telephone number? How on earth can I sell to you, already knowing you can get them cheaper?
As a sign of goodwill I will give you a set of rears free.
PM your name and delivery address if this is of interest.
Regards
Buck
I do see some of your points and do understand where you are coming from.
I never treated YOUR problem in the manner you describe. I simply did not have the technical knowledge to help you further and asked that you contact EBC Technical, because they should have the knowledge, for advice. I kept repeating this to you but you just seemed to ignore this and keep banging on about having no faith in the pad.
Momracing are in a win win situation. They do not make the brake pad they just sell them. They have stepped in and offered you a replacement set of Yellows which is very good of them. They will also receive free advertisement of this fact, alongside of the product review.
Thanks for the business tip. Which ever way you look at it, it is a free advert for momoracing.
I know you have already stated you can find better pricing then us.
I said to you, "a set of rear yellow's is around £40." Hardly pushing you to buy them from us? Did use a link to the item? Or quote a part number? Quote a telephone number? How on earth can I sell to you, already knowing you can get them cheaper?
As a sign of goodwill I will give you a set of rears free.
PM your name and delivery address if this is of interest.
Regards
Buck
I may be a little harsh at times as I come from a business background and it rubs me up the wrong way seeing businesses that could be run better.
It is worth your while becoming an expert in the product you sell, something that should be made easier by your limited product range. Instead of me asking EBC technical help you should have asked all the relevant details and that way you will know the next time someone has a similar problem.
Mocomracing.com took a risk. It was not a win/win situation, as I had already moaned about the previous product so it was risky to try and use me as a marketing tool. I don’t think people were queuing at their doors wanting YellowStuff'R' after reading my review. You would be the biggest beneficiary of any EBC product praise on this site. You see my point.
I have already explained what free advertising is or isn’t. Which of the 2 categories do you think this situation falls into?
I will take you up on the offer of free rear pads as I really don’t feel right burdening Mocomracing further. The guy personally came over on Saturday to drop some brake fluid off. Now that is going the extra mile.
Now for the sake of £30-40 you may well be able to help me resolve the problems with EBC Yellows and then actually be able to sell some on here. Now that makes business sense.
The old marketing saying that "a satisfied customer tells 1 or 2 people, a dissatisfied customer tells...". Now with bbs that is on a whole different scale. Our posts must have been viewed by 1000+ people. Now that’s alot of potential customers.
Apologies if I come across harsh.
Regards,
Bob