mgcvk

I'll have some pads if there's any going............did I mention mine have worn out....hello, anyone?

Buckrogers

Bob

Completely agree, the more experience / knowledge a person has the better that person will be able to support the product they sell.
I have found though, in certain situations, it is better for our own customers to speak directly to EBC Technical with an issue. If I cannot advise on a problem, I feel if they talk to EBC, EBC will be able to ask the customer questions which will aid and speed the process of a resolution. Rather then me going back and forth acting as a go between. This only applies in certain situations and I felt that your case was one of those situations.

To a degree, it does not matter that this ad will not increase sales of Yellowstuff for momoracing. What will benefit them is that they have shown good customer service. momoracing (I assume) sell all sorts of products, so this ad could and should still generate some sales for them.

You do come across a bit harsh at times, which most likely does not get the results you want in the way I have replied to those posts! Apology accepted and I offer my own apologises to you if I have caused you offence.
(I feel a group hug is coming on )

PM your name and delivery address details, I promise not to post on thread those details

I truly hope these pads resolve your problems, I don't know if I can go another "round"

Regards

Buck

Buckrogers

Bob

Please PM a contact tel number for shipping details.

Regards

Buck

Buckrogers

API have offered to look at your brakes, are you not taking them up on this offer?

Regards

Buck

mgcvk

Yep, I'll get back to API at some point, unfortunately its a 300 mile round trip.

Aztec Performance Ltd

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Phew, was exhausting.

Am between mobile contracts at the moment. New number expected tomorrow.

Do you want me to give you a call re anything?


Regards,

Bob

ozzy

Get someone local to check your calipers, especially the pistons aren't binding or rusted up. Have you had the calipers serviced at all? They could need stripped, cleaned and some new dust seals fitted.

Stefan

JTaylor

I was pulling your leg . Perhaps I ought to use more .....emoticons!

Spec'c'57

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best check my ceramics after several laps of silverstone yesterday..... fluid was rather hot by the sound of things (long pedal)

speednut

A late respone to an old thread but...I put these pads on my '04STI at approx 6k miles. By 8k miles the discs were reduced in thickness by 2mm and scoured to fk. Braking is now less than impressive. Given up with swapping pads as it won't be long before I have to change the discs aswell, so AP 6 pots with 36.2's and ferrodo ds2500 pads are going on. I'm convinced that the ds2500 pads are the way to go after driving an Evo8 the other day and the brakes nearly sent me through the windscreen in comaprison and those Brembos run smaller discs!

Prodrive Legacy

Browsing through this thread...its intresting to se various opinions on pad choice and performance.

Different pad choice can suit different driving styles...what works for some doesn't for others.

I work for a wrc team, our 3 drivers use one of two choces of pads One driver says type A are dangerous as they dont have the initial bite of Type B but the other two rate Type A as ofeering better response and feel over Type B.

I have done lots of brake testing myself...i now use EBC Yellowstuff in my 230bhp peugeot 309 rally car and have found them to outperform mintex 1155 and 1166, feredo ds300 and pagid rs4-2.

My mate who uses the same calipers and a very similar car...threy away the ebc stuff and swears by mintex!

This is for my car with me driving! With this set-up i can get class wins and worry many a turbo 4x4 car!

In my road scooby, i have used pagid blue and redstuff and found very little difference except the initial bite was better with the EBC pads...very important for when i compete in hillclibs with my car.

I have recently upgraded to 4 pots and am running Pagid Grey RS15 pads, dont work from cold too well but bloody hell do they stop!...but the trouble is the back end gets so light under braking that the rears lock up....now is this safe for road use? Can i blame the pads in the front cos they work too well...of course not...you just have to drive acordingly! I use my road car for road rallies too, the brakes can get a real workout as you are always braking no long straghts like on circuits.

For the record i use decent competiton fluid, high temp dot 4...not dot 5.1 which once boiled can retain lots of very small air bubles and ruin performance.

So...factors which affect braking

Pad Choice f&r
Disk Choice
Fluid Choice
Tyre Choice
Suspension settings
Driving style
General condition of all braking components

You need to consider all the above when making comments on brake performance...but rarely do people consider driving style. A diffferent pad may work much better for you if you try and change your driving style.

Sorry for wafling on..i just thought i'd add my bit to try and help make reasoned points rather that just say they are crap!

JIM THEO

Good point, I prefer to read opinions without comments, say perfect, unacceptable etc.

frayz

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sorry guys but ive read this thread and tried to make what i can of it.

My front pads on my 02 sti are due for replacement. i dont really fancy paying £160 for oem ones.

bottom line.

are the red stuff ceramics any good for just normal fast road use, will they be okay to use on used discs? will they eat my discs at all? will i see good wear from them as an average driver?

thanks

Gear Head

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Had my red stuff ceramic pads with the grooved/dimpled discs on my sti 4, for around 15 months, have coverd 7000 miles in that time. They have never faded, and I mean NEVER! The oem setup was useless after 1 hard stop.
Looked at my pads last night and they seem to have around 3-4mm left, so half way through.

frayz

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so ill be okay then?

mgcvk

If anyone's still interested in this thread, I've put some cheapo ( apec I think) £34 pads on with my ebc discs until I can decide on brembos or to go for broke with ap 6 pots. The performance I would say is at least on a par with the red stuffs if not a bit better, although they do smell a bit when hot! Just road use though not track. That said I think these are going to wear down equally as quick - obviously a problem with grooved disks. Still at half the price of red stuffs not really a problem.

Hoppy

Interesting post from Prodrive Legacy. I agree with everything except the bit about "driving style".

Our Scoobs are road cars, used everyday (mine is). When you really need to stop fast, in an emergency, you can't pick your moment or your driving style. You just hit the pedal. If it goes to court, statements like "they're hot competition pads m'lud, and don't work from cold, it's the racing compound etc" are unlikely to evoke sympathy.

Any pad that doesn't work well from 30mph on a winter's morning is useless, no matter how good it is in competition or on track.

Richard.

Joth

Well I read this thread with great interest while waiting to put a set of Redstuffs on the lowly 2 pot front setup on my Forester. Ive installed them with fresh OEM rotors, and after 3 weeks of stop and go driving, no racing, no trackdays, I think these pads are crap, they have worn alarming deep grooves near the outer edges, dust just as much as the OEM pads, and have less bite than said OEMs. In fact, I feel I may reinstall the old pads at least they wont screw the rotor.
Theres a low duty review of Redstuffs

stockcar

fit a set of Ferodo ds2500's and you'll have no issue...................

alyn

p1doc

or pagid rs29's
martin

rallycodriver

I agree with Buck / John and Prodrive on this one. For what its worth I run a company supplying brakes etc and can tell you that every driver is different. What one person prefers depends on how they drive, distance of journey etc etc. I sell lots of EBC / MINTEX and FERODO pads and can say that without knowing how the car is being driven, how can you supply the right pad for the application if you know nothing about teh driver or car.
Brake fluid in my experience is something that is totally missunderstood. If you are thinking about upgrading your brakes, please please please don't take half measures. Replace the front and rear brakes for stability and also the fluid and the brake lines. I quote lots of customers for brake pads and 50% say "oh I can only afford the cheapest pads and I'll change the fluid in a couple of months". Then they come back and complain that they didn't notice that much improovement.....
I then proceed to bash my head against a wall and start the learning process all over again.
There is a VERY simple answer to all of this!
If you want to upgrade you brakes, talk to a BRAKE SPECIALIST.
We are here to give advice.... (which is free)
Carl
(rant over)