renault clio sport could not pull on my old saab
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Originally Posted by bob r
.......and didnt feel that it ever gained respect amongst real performance car owners (not a good image).
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you seem to think mg's are pants,,try asking the scoobys i overtook at combe IN THE WET what they think and the multiple other supposed quick cars i have regularly out driven on track.
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Originally Posted by mg driver
what do you mean by "i could never feel that involved with or love any form of 172 etc" ???
i would say to drive the clio is a lot more involving as you dont have the 4wd doing it for you ,,i drive a fwd car now and compared to my old scooby its very much more involving ,the scooby was just numb ,it didnt handle well and it relied totally on grip to curb its understeer,my front driving zs is is another street ,it feels alive and it communicates to you all thats happening .
i would say to drive the clio is a lot more involving as you dont have the 4wd doing it for you ,,i drive a fwd car now and compared to my old scooby its very much more involving ,the scooby was just numb ,it didnt handle well and it relied totally on grip to curb its understeer,my front driving zs is is another street ,it feels alive and it communicates to you all thats happening .
I'm sure you overtook lots of people, a good driver then but with poor taste in cars.
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Originally Posted by mg driver
you seem to think mg's are pants,,try asking the scoobys i overtook at combe IN THE WET what they think and the multiple other supposed quick cars i have regularly out driven on track.
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fair enough ,your opinion..... but i didnt get rid of my scooby and replace it with my mg for nothing ,the only plus a classic scoob has over a zs is that its faster in a straight line and when you've spent a lot of time on track you soon realize straight line speed is pretty far down the list for lap times compared to handling ,brakes,tyres etc.You take 2 similar cars,one with sorted chassis brakes etc but standard bhp and another one with 50 more bhp but standard otherwise, the car with the sorted chassis etc will lap faster than the car with more bhp .
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Originally Posted by bob r
just dont quite cut the mustard 4 me. im sure its a nice car tho.
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Originally Posted by mg driver
fair enough ,your opinion..... but i didnt get rid of my scooby and replace it with my mg for nothing ,the only plus a classic scoob has over a zs is that its faster in a straight line and when you've spent a lot of time on track you soon realize straight line speed is pretty far down the list for lap times compared to handling ,brakes,tyres etc.You take 2 similar cars,one with sorted chassis brakes etc but standard bhp and another one with 50 more bhp but standard otherwise, the car with the sorted chassis etc will lap faster than the car with more bhp .
I find it amusing when people go on about track days as if they are relevant to real world motoring.
My downer on the MG isn't based on its handling which is reckoned to be pretty damn good. Just that it's such an ancient design made by a company that's gone down the tubes. Your luck might be in though, values of the ZS are so low now the insurance company might just write it off.
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Originally Posted by mg driver
fair enough ,your opinion..... but i didnt get rid of my scooby and replace it with my mg for nothing ,the only plus a classic scoob has over a zs is that its faster in a straight line and when you've spent a lot of time on track you soon realize straight line speed is pretty far down the list for lap times compared to handling ,brakes,tyres etc.You take 2 similar cars,one with sorted chassis brakes etc but standard bhp and another one with 50 more bhp but standard otherwise, the car with the sorted chassis etc will lap faster than the car with more bhp .
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Originally Posted by Rabid
I think we already knew that. How often do you take it on track V road use is the question I'd be asking all these track day driving heroes. If it's a significant amount of time I'd suggest a dedicated cheapo track toy would beat most road cars hands down.
I find it amusing when people go on about track days as if they are relevant to real world motoring.
My downer on the MG isn't based on its handling which is reckoned to be pretty damn good. Just that it's such an ancient design made by a company that's gone down the tubes. Your luck might be in though, values of the ZS are so low now the insurance company might just write it off.
I find it amusing when people go on about track days as if they are relevant to real world motoring.
My downer on the MG isn't based on its handling which is reckoned to be pretty damn good. Just that it's such an ancient design made by a company that's gone down the tubes. Your luck might be in though, values of the ZS are so low now the insurance company might just write it off.
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Originally Posted by mg driver
it was till 3 weeks ago when i was stood in a line of traffic not even moving and some plank drove into the back of me,,its now awaiting a rear end rebuild.
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Originally Posted by bob r
i have to resort to the traffic light shoot out
Is this what the real perfomance drivers give respect to?
Damn......
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thanks for the sympathy,no way its a write off though,and if by some amazing turnaround they did decide to write it off due to some previously unseen problem i would buy it back and rebuild it myself.
My car only goes on track 4-5 times a year so its not a dedicated track machine ,its still a family car and it does everything on road it does on track,most of my track time has been spent in karts.
My car only goes on track 4-5 times a year so its not a dedicated track machine ,its still a family car and it does everything on road it does on track,most of my track time has been spent in karts.
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Originally Posted by davyboy
ahhhh, this is the respect you were talking about.
Is this what the real perfomance drivers give respect to?
Damn......
Is this what the real perfomance drivers give respect to?
Damn......
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aaah wev'e all done that,,i remeber getting the jump a couple of bikes in my scooby, they had pulled up at the side of me at the lights,at the next set they were ready though and they left me for dead.
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Originally Posted by mg driver
aaah wev'e all done that,,i remeber getting the jump a couple of bikes in my scooby, they had pulled up at the side of me at the lights,at the next set they were ready though and they left me for dead.
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Originally Posted by mg driver
what do you mean by "i could never feel that involved with or love any form of 172 etc" ???
i would say to drive the clio is a lot more involving as you dont have the 4wd doing it for you ,,i drive a fwd car now and compared to my old scooby its very much more involving ,the scooby was just numb ,it didnt handle well and it relied totally on grip to curb its understeer,my front driving zs is is another street ,it feels alive and it communicates to you all thats happening .
i would say to drive the clio is a lot more involving as you dont have the 4wd doing it for you ,,i drive a fwd car now and compared to my old scooby its very much more involving ,the scooby was just numb ,it didnt handle well and it relied totally on grip to curb its understeer,my front driving zs is is another street ,it feels alive and it communicates to you all thats happening .
Its doesn’t set off any excitement in me…and Yes, ive driven one
If you haven’t got the extra ££ to buy a scoob, then buy the Clio (or whatever girls hot hatch)and be happy that it kicks ***
Sorry, as a long term ownership proposition, the scoob is just a much more interesting vehicle, despite its failings.
If you really wanted an interesting drive, you’d buy a RWD car.
You bought the right car for you, which fitted in with whatever you wanted to spend, like most of us.
Despite its performance, its still a small hatch, thrash, enjoy, move on.
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Originally Posted by brybusa
If you really wanted an interesting drive, you’d buy a RWD car
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A few folk have mentioned that track days are one of the deciding factors for the selection of their car. So why choose front wheel drive. I would rather have RWD any day for a bit of fun on a track. FWD is ok for road cars but not nearly as exciting as RWD or IMO AWD. I chose AWD as i dont intend taking my car on the track but i need it for the weather and road conditions i drive in but if i was luck enough to be able to afford a second track car it would certainly have RWD. If i wanted to track but had to use my everyday car then FWD would never be an option. Just my opinion so keep your hair on.
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Originally Posted by sgcooby
I see your comments on there about scoob owners and their excuses. So whats your excuse??
If you're not aware of the famous SN "I'd have had it in the twisties.." excuse or worse, actually believe it then that says it all really.
You have had the support of some very experienced scooby owners on this thead, however you seem to be a lost cause.
I suggest you do your research on somone before you start... I'm actually a very happy 05 (modded) wrx owner you fcukwit..!
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you seem to think mg's are pants,,try asking the scoobys i overtook at combe IN THE WET what they think and the multiple other supposed quick cars i have regularly out driven on track.
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Someone tell me how to host video (I can do stills via photobucket) and I've got a copy of the Octavia v 05 WRX wagon (standard) plus another modded Octavia v same scoob on same runway with same result..!
PS on neither of them is the scoob launched in any way in anger..!
PS on neither of them is the scoob launched in any way in anger..!
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Originally Posted by bob r
in other words are subaru with a capable driver would easily outperform a clio with capable driver. FAR MORE CELEBRATED AS A DRIVERS CAR, been reading some glossy pamphlet i think.
I do not own either car but know what makes a drivers car.......Poor brakes, lacklustre performance, flawed steering to name a few will only make these cars appeal to the type of people that consider noise, bonnet vents and unnecessary spoilers the way forward.
Every reply to the contrary simply reinforces everything I (we) have said.
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The reanultsport clios are excellent track cars out of the box, of that there can be no doudt. Impreza's are not at home on the track as standard. Over our typical rubbish roads the difference is none existant.
Who thought has a standard WRX..? Not many and certainly not me..!
Who thought has a standard WRX..? Not many and certainly not me..!
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Originally Posted by jasonius
You really do have a problem m8..!
If you're not aware of the famous SN "I'd have had it in the twisties.." excuse or worse, actually believe it then that says it all really.
You have had the support of some very experienced scooby owners on this thead, however you seem to be a lost cause.
I suggest you do your research on somone before you start... I'm actually a very happy 05 (modded) wrx owner you fcukwit..!
If you're not aware of the famous SN "I'd have had it in the twisties.." excuse or worse, actually believe it then that says it all really.
You have had the support of some very experienced scooby owners on this thead, however you seem to be a lost cause.
I suggest you do your research on somone before you start... I'm actually a very happy 05 (modded) wrx owner you fcukwit..!
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Originally Posted by davyboy
I did over over 2000 track miles last year.
If I went more that 4 or 5 times a year that's exactly what I'd do.
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In an MG ZS ,or something else? Dedicated track car perhaps? If not allow me to venture the opinion that you must be insane. I read on here you do a bit of driving at the 'ring, have you never considered just buying a car there, preparing it for the track and just leaving it there if you go there regularly.
If I went more that 4 or 5 times a year that's exactly what I'd do.
If I went more that 4 or 5 times a year that's exactly what I'd do.
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I do not own either car but know what makes a drivers car.......Poor brakes, lacklustre performance, flawed steering to name a few will only make these cars appeal to the type of people that consider noise, bonnet vents and unnecessary spoilers the way forward.
Every reply to the contrary simply reinforces everything I (we) have said.
Every reply to the contrary simply reinforces everything I (we) have said.
"Poor brakes, lacklustre performance, flawed steering" are exactly what I'm experiencing having moved AWAY from a Scooby, albeit modded, but they do lend themselves to being modded.