Dead man was innocent.....
23 July 2005, 06:50 PM
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Dont really see the relevance of the ethnicity factor, perhaps i'm missing something?
We should take stock for a bit and see what facts will come out.
Comments like "glad he's dead" are incredibly stupid and childish, even is he was the terrorist ringleader I wouldn't be happy that he had been shot dead on a London Street.
I fully accept that the Police would have felt justified in doing what they had to do, thats why we must wait to see what they tell us.
Either way it is a result of whats been happening recently and those issues won't go away.
I have a very good mate in the Anti Terrorist Branch and this would be his worst nightmare. He probably knows the guys involved and I am pretty sure they would have done what they felt was right at the time.
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We should take stock for a bit and see what facts will come out.
Comments like "glad he's dead" are incredibly stupid and childish, even is he was the terrorist ringleader I wouldn't be happy that he had been shot dead on a London Street.
I fully accept that the Police would have felt justified in doing what they had to do, thats why we must wait to see what they tell us.
Either way it is a result of whats been happening recently and those issues won't go away.
I have a very good mate in the Anti Terrorist Branch and this would be his worst nightmare. He probably knows the guys involved and I am pretty sure they would have done what they felt was right at the time.
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23 July 2005, 06:51 PM
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i think this is going to be a long drawn out thread. personally i think that there was something suspect, i mean why run away. also doesnt help that he was in an internet cafe before hand which has been proved terrorists operate through these.
this whole country needs to wake up, we are too soft. we arrest and try to deport that guy with the hook who basically is well against Britain as a country. we even pay for him to be here!!!.
if someone is innocent then fair enough, but if not and they have committed all these attrocities i think they shouldnt have any rights.
moan over!
this whole country needs to wake up, we are too soft. we arrest and try to deport that guy with the hook who basically is well against Britain as a country. we even pay for him to be here!!!.
if someone is innocent then fair enough, but if not and they have committed all these attrocities i think they shouldnt have any rights.
moan over!
23 July 2005, 06:59 PM
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An internet cafe?
He was pursued as soon as he left the house, he got on a bus and left the bus by the station and that is when the police acted?
If he was such a threat, why did they let him get on a bus? And why did the policemen also get on the bus? They couldn't have been that concerned giving a bus was blown to bits a couple of weeks ago.
Where did he have time to stop off at an internet cafe?
He was pursued as soon as he left the house, he got on a bus and left the bus by the station and that is when the police acted?
If he was such a threat, why did they let him get on a bus? And why did the policemen also get on the bus? They couldn't have been that concerned giving a bus was blown to bits a couple of weeks ago.
Where did he have time to stop off at an internet cafe?
23 July 2005, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by JoanUK300
But if you come to live here then YES you should learn the language just like others do when they go abroad to live!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Calm down please.
23 July 2005, 07:01 PM
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the bloke was unlucky......of all the asians that could have bumped into the police he happened to be a tourist, non-english speaking, revenge attack fearing, medical condition suffering (or maybe just chilly) asian.......who made his escape on a tube!
23 July 2005, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitchy260
If he was such a threat, why did they let him get on a bus? And why did the policemen also get on the bus? They couldn't have been that concerned giving a bus was blown to bits a couple of weeks ago.
23 July 2005, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
Because they were probably trailing him in the hope he was going to meet someone which would then provide further leads. As soon as he showed intent of entering the tube station they decided to stop him. He didn't stop which gave them good reason to be very concerned about his intentions.
23 July 2005, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
Maybe they were of the same ethnicity. After all the Met has had an etnic recruitment policy over the last few years.
At the end of the day one can only assume he was guilty of something due to the fact that he was running away. Maybe with a few more cases like this the arseholes that seem to run riot in this once great country would think twice about commiting the crimes that they do if they thought that they would be shot.
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At the end of the day one can only assume he was guilty of something due to the fact that he was running away. Maybe with a few more cases like this the arseholes that seem to run riot in this once great country would think twice about commiting the crimes that they do if they thought that they would be shot.
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23 July 2005, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by vava voom
Maybe some one should shoot chips family member and see what hes like then...****! 
23 July 2005, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
Begging your pardon Chip, but would you mind clarifying/elaborating on your second paragraph please?
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If more criminals were shot then maybe this country would improve.
23 July 2005, 08:00 PM
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Yeah so if a few dodgy looking blokes were chaseing and shouting at you in a language that you did not understand, you would just put your hands up all cool yeah.........BOLLOCKS
The cops wanted to put out a message and i beleive they have acheived that........now its just fueled all the terrorist/ asain communities...and what about this poor guys family??? ...i'll tell you if that was my family member then believe you me i would send a message back!
The cops wanted to put out a message and i beleive they have acheived that........now its just fueled all the terrorist/ asain communities...and what about this poor guys family??? ...i'll tell you if that was my family member then believe you me i would send a message back!
23 July 2005, 08:04 PM
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and ???
how many rational normal people run when armed officers ask them to stop...
its like having a bag of flower and running into a public building foollowing chem attacks..
did the guy at downing street run??? was he shot???
prehaps its a lesson to all future chavs out there... when asked to stop by the bib... do it
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how many rational normal people run when armed officers ask them to stop...
its like having a bag of flower and running into a public building foollowing chem attacks..
did the guy at downing street run??? was he shot???
prehaps its a lesson to all future chavs out there... when asked to stop by the bib... do it
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23 July 2005, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by vava voom
Yeah so if a few dodgy looking blokes were chaseing and shouting at you in a language that you did not understand, you would just put your hands up all cool yeah.........BOLLOCKS
The cops wanted to put out a message and i beleive they have acheived that........now its just fueled all the terrorist/ asain communities...and what about this poor guys family??? ...i'll tell you if that was my family member then believe you me i would send a message back!
The cops wanted to put out a message and i beleive they have acheived that........now its just fueled all the terrorist/ asain communities...and what about this poor guys family??? ...i'll tell you if that was my family member then believe you me i would send a message back!
23 July 2005, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin_Aimless
Human Rights lawyers will have a field day with this.
23 July 2005, 08:13 PM
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So...Mart, you are saying..if you run from the cops in london , you will get shot......haha that does not even happen in America
The poilce in America who have it a lot worse than us resort to their guns when they see a weapon and only then will they still try to resolve the situation without shooting, but it seems we have gone that one step ahead!!
All i can say is look out becouse this is not the way ahead, we need to get the asain communities behined the police force and stand as one...but this will never happen when innocent men get blown away
In the Sun it read...1 down and 3 to go...haha what ****s they must feal!!
The poilce in America who have it a lot worse than us resort to their guns when they see a weapon and only then will they still try to resolve the situation without shooting, but it seems we have gone that one step ahead!!
All i can say is look out becouse this is not the way ahead, we need to get the asain communities behined the police force and stand as one...but this will never happen when innocent men get blown away
In the Sun it read...1 down and 3 to go...haha what ****s they must feal!!
23 July 2005, 08:13 PM
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I had my doubts since day one.Police were emphasising to have shot a man who they were looking for yunks in connection with terrorism etc.But I could feel it was a put on.Great isnt it? story has changed now.Watch for it to change again! If there is a real impartial intelligence in this country,I bet the reality will be left uncovered and the reasons of how this kind of bombing etc can even take place after so much of security will never come into light.
Politicians and authorities working hand in hand and who breeds/gives room to terrorism is......................????? no comments.
The system sucks!
Politicians and authorities working hand in hand and who breeds/gives room to terrorism is......................????? no comments.
The system sucks!
23 July 2005, 08:16 PM
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Bravo..please i invite you to tell the "facts" to this young mans parents/family.............you sit there and say.....oh we thought he was a terrorist...but ups...****
we need to stop killing the innocent and ALL must target these ******* who have turned us all trigger happy freaks...the bombers/terrorists and the men giveing the orders!!
we need to stop killing the innocent and ALL must target these ******* who have turned us all trigger happy freaks...the bombers/terrorists and the men giveing the orders!!
23 July 2005, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by vava voom
Bravo..please i invite you to tell the "facts" to this young mans parents/family.............you sit there and say.....oh we thought he was a terrorist...but ups...****
we need to stop killing the innocent and ALL must target these ******* who have turned us all trigger happy freaks...the bombers/terrorists and the men giveing the orders!!
we need to stop killing the innocent and ALL must target these ******* who have turned us all trigger happy freaks...the bombers/terrorists and the men giveing the orders!!
grow up !!! we must stop killing the innocent...
try putting your crap argument to the familys of the 56 dead two weeks ago...
" oh i,m really sorry we thought we had got the people who killed your familys, but we did nothing just in case we offended him or made an incidant over it..
would you be crowing like a little sparrow if explosives had been found on the guy???
until the enquiry is held and the investigation is concluded
a little suggestion
shut the f*ck up
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23 July 2005, 08:28 PM
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I think thats harsh mart as at the end of the day the guy was as innocent as you or me.
How would you feel if the police accidentaly killed a member of your family? You wouldn't say ''oh well they done it for the best interests of the public''.
You would be livid and very angry i would imagine.
Someone is feeling like that tonight over the death of a loved 1.
The police have said they deeply regretted the incident and they were sorry to those who were affected.
How would you feel if the police accidentaly killed a member of your family? You wouldn't say ''oh well they done it for the best interests of the public''.
You would be livid and very angry i would imagine.
Someone is feeling like that tonight over the death of a loved 1.
The police have said they deeply regretted the incident and they were sorry to those who were affected.
23 July 2005, 08:31 PM
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56 people died in london when there was no reason to
How many thousands died in iraq for weapsons which were never there!
What do u think makes a person turn in to a s/bomber...maybe when his family has been blown up by american/british army??...when his whole life has been flipped over due to one trigger happy rambo
Both sides have lost family / people who they love ...,,,,,yet its still ok to shoot 1 lad who had **** all to do with it!!
It hurts more when its in your own country and that thursday i fealt pain too, families who lost mothers/fathers/brothers or sisters...its all pain but putting on the john wayne attertude is not going to sort things
And the whole shut the **** up thing........that is the way, done the crime and be quite about it!!
How many thousands died in iraq for weapsons which were never there!
What do u think makes a person turn in to a s/bomber...maybe when his family has been blown up by american/british army??...when his whole life has been flipped over due to one trigger happy rambo
Both sides have lost family / people who they love ...,,,,,yet its still ok to shoot 1 lad who had **** all to do with it!!
It hurts more when its in your own country and that thursday i fealt pain too, families who lost mothers/fathers/brothers or sisters...its all pain but putting on the john wayne attertude is not going to sort things
And the whole shut the **** up thing........that is the way, done the crime and be quite about it!!
23 July 2005, 08:42 PM
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Kept my powder dry throughout this whole tirade on various posts but feel i must step in on a few points.
Nobody knows the whole truth about what happened yesterday and until we do i think its unfair to make comment on specific events. What i do see happening straight away is people who were a bit unsure on where they stood in relation to recent events (ie the anti police people on here) rubbing their hands in glee at the points they can score here. Can we remember one thing, people died 2 weeks ago, VERY nearly died two days ago (mother and baby included) and we still have at least 3 if not possibly 4 men out there who were ready to die to kill innocent Londoners and tourists.
So please, shut up and let the police get on with their jobs and take these people off the streets. If anybody knows anything about what i do for a living you will know i have a bit more understanding about procedure and so called rules of engagement for police officers with firearms. I'M not jumping up shouting he was innocent so can i suggest we all keep quiet and find these 3 nutters before we start looking for somwone to blame?
Fact is a male was shot by officers yesterday, we do not know his innocence or guilt but we do not go about shooting people without intelligence to help us make a decision.
Nobody knows the whole truth about what happened yesterday and until we do i think its unfair to make comment on specific events. What i do see happening straight away is people who were a bit unsure on where they stood in relation to recent events (ie the anti police people on here) rubbing their hands in glee at the points they can score here. Can we remember one thing, people died 2 weeks ago, VERY nearly died two days ago (mother and baby included) and we still have at least 3 if not possibly 4 men out there who were ready to die to kill innocent Londoners and tourists.
So please, shut up and let the police get on with their jobs and take these people off the streets. If anybody knows anything about what i do for a living you will know i have a bit more understanding about procedure and so called rules of engagement for police officers with firearms. I'M not jumping up shouting he was innocent so can i suggest we all keep quiet and find these 3 nutters before we start looking for somwone to blame?
Fact is a male was shot by officers yesterday, we do not know his innocence or guilt but we do not go about shooting people without intelligence to help us make a decision.
23 July 2005, 08:44 PM
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would you hang around with three men with weapons running towards you, yelling something in a language you don't understand?? maybe? maybe not?