UNMARKED POLICE BIKES??!!??
17 February 2006, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by billythekid
Several forces use unmarked bikes. We have unmarked ST1100s - in blue. Carry VASCAR and camera(s). North Yorks have a GSXR1300....
17 February 2006, 11:40 AM
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You know my wife said to me the other day - 'where are all the police these days?' - now I realise - they are ALL becoming secret police.
Ordinary cops slowly but surely 'crossing over' to become THEM instead of US...
...soon they'll be '100% secret' and your new neighbour who is always a 'bit offish' will go to work everyday in a grey BT van which has a 'trick drop ramp' in the back conceiling his partners black pursuit superbike...
Ordinary cops slowly but surely 'crossing over' to become THEM instead of US...
...soon they'll be '100% secret' and your new neighbour who is always a 'bit offish' will go to work everyday in a grey BT van which has a 'trick drop ramp' in the back conceiling his partners black pursuit superbike...
17 February 2006, 02:22 PM
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There are at least two operating in central scotland
Hondas - one burgandy one dark met blue.
The give aways are the arials on the back, panniers and the helmets - the ones with the flip up front so they can give you a bollocking without taking the helmets off.
Black leathers, white helmets.
Hondas - one burgandy one dark met blue.
The give aways are the arials on the back, panniers and the helmets - the ones with the flip up front so they can give you a bollocking without taking the helmets off.
Black leathers, white helmets.
17 February 2006, 02:54 PM
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I got pulled by a couple of detectives in the City last year. The guy was right on my @rse through Aldgate, could barely see his headlights, so I take off.
Then he pulls up at lights beside me and starts shouting at me (he had spotted me answer my phone on loudspeaker!) to hang up my phone (which I had) so I just shrugged and looked away, thinking it was a pair of tw@ts in an astra diesel. Anyway, he carried on shouting, so I flicked my cigarette at his car and told him I wasn't really bothered about what he was saying, then he pulls a warrant card! W@nker. I consider doing one, as he hasn't put the blues on, but pull in and keep it in first until I've seen his warrant card up close. The passenger was dead silent, probably embarrased but ran the plates, whilst the mouthy w@nker driver was trying to give me giref.
I admitted i was wrong to answer phone, but said i may have touched 35mph as he was pushing me. He said it was a LOT more, so I told him he was almost touching me and was right on my @rse!
"The difference is I have a permit to exceed the speed limit!" was his reply.
"That's not for whenever you feel like it though, is it?!?!" was my response, and from there he got much more civil and he told me to keep a clean licence I should behave!
Wish I had sped to the nearest police station "fearing I was being carjacked" in hindsight!!!!
Then he pulls up at lights beside me and starts shouting at me (he had spotted me answer my phone on loudspeaker!) to hang up my phone (which I had) so I just shrugged and looked away, thinking it was a pair of tw@ts in an astra diesel. Anyway, he carried on shouting, so I flicked my cigarette at his car and told him I wasn't really bothered about what he was saying, then he pulls a warrant card! W@nker. I consider doing one, as he hasn't put the blues on, but pull in and keep it in first until I've seen his warrant card up close. The passenger was dead silent, probably embarrased but ran the plates, whilst the mouthy w@nker driver was trying to give me giref.
I admitted i was wrong to answer phone, but said i may have touched 35mph as he was pushing me. He said it was a LOT more, so I told him he was almost touching me and was right on my @rse!
"The difference is I have a permit to exceed the speed limit!" was his reply.
"That's not for whenever you feel like it though, is it?!?!" was my response, and from there he got much more civil and he told me to keep a clean licence I should behave!
Wish I had sped to the nearest police station "fearing I was being carjacked" in hindsight!!!!
17 February 2006, 03:27 PM
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I don't get this pushing/bullying thing at all. You're in a car - you're not in danger. Being tailgated on a bike is less pleasant and genuinely dangerous to the rider, but the only thing that a driver risks by not speeding up for tailgaters is pride.
Macho bobbins in my view. If someone wants to drive dangerously to get ahead of me, I don't want to engage them, I just want them away from me and causing their accidents elsewhere.
On topic - do they have those little rat stickers on the bikes? Or is that just for off-duty?
Macho bobbins in my view. If someone wants to drive dangerously to get ahead of me, I don't want to engage them, I just want them away from me and causing their accidents elsewhere.
On topic - do they have those little rat stickers on the bikes? Or is that just for off-duty?
17 February 2006, 04:14 PM
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It's also posible that if it was an unmarked police bike, they might have been on a training run. I have heard from an ex-traffic cop that they go out in unmarked cars and latch onto speeding motorists so they can practise their high speed pursuit skills (from what he said it sounded like it was not unknown to goad another motorist into upping his speed just to make it more "realistic"). It's not unfeasible that police motorcyclists might do the same, but have no direct knowledge.
17 February 2006, 04:29 PM
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The police busa was in MCN only last month ...cant remember what force is was thou!
Its a standard Suzuki black n blue paint scheme with some stickers of the relevant force down its side...
It has all the gear to trap you for speed and the cunning sods have put the blue lights inside the clear indicators so nothing really to identify it as a police bike...
Its a standard Suzuki black n blue paint scheme with some stickers of the relevant force down its side...
It has all the gear to trap you for speed and the cunning sods have put the blue lights inside the clear indicators so nothing really to identify it as a police bike...
17 February 2006, 05:13 PM
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We have Honda Blackbirds where I am for training on the Police Advanced bike courses .... maybe it was one on a course if with any others ?
He can speed without blues and twos - they do not have to be used. It depends on what / where / why, etc.
I have a Blackbird and believe me, if you were on say a runway side by side you would not see him .... Bikes are generally alot quicker than cars in a straight line .... particularly ones like the Blackbird with 1100cc and 160bhp !!
I would imagine the reason they did not pass was because either it was not safe, you were going as quickly as they wanted, or they considered overtaking you dangerous due to your driving; i.e. if they thought you were going to accelerate / race them or, as I say, just the max safe speed for the location.
Bikers tend not to take as many risks as car drivers as they have a habit of ending up dead - there being no nice steel cage around them to protect them from injury!
He can speed without blues and twos - they do not have to be used. It depends on what / where / why, etc.
I have a Blackbird and believe me, if you were on say a runway side by side you would not see him .... Bikes are generally alot quicker than cars in a straight line .... particularly ones like the Blackbird with 1100cc and 160bhp !!
I would imagine the reason they did not pass was because either it was not safe, you were going as quickly as they wanted, or they considered overtaking you dangerous due to your driving; i.e. if they thought you were going to accelerate / race them or, as I say, just the max safe speed for the location.
Bikers tend not to take as many risks as car drivers as they have a habit of ending up dead - there being no nice steel cage around them to protect them from injury!
17 February 2006, 05:44 PM
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Funny thing is, everyone on here moaning about getting done admitted to speeding!?
Not everything is black and white with the police you know, not everything is out to get the motorist. I happen to know of a few things either on two or four wheels that have nothing to do with catching speeders etc. and all to do with other stuff.
As for goading motorists i've never done it, don't know anyone who has ever done it and no't need to do it, enough idiots out there without doing it. Unless by goading you mean accelerating hard to get up behind you as you hurtle down the 'empty' stretch of road.
And whats wrong with just slowing down or pulling over to one side if you feel goaded, personally i don't think the answer is to hit the accelerator to 'have a bit of fun', chances are they probably weren't even looking at you till you jumped on the power, then it just makes us think you've nicked it!!
Take responsibility for your actions, if you get 3 points for speeding take it on the chin, i do, no-one pushing the loud pedal for you is there?
Not everything is black and white with the police you know, not everything is out to get the motorist. I happen to know of a few things either on two or four wheels that have nothing to do with catching speeders etc. and all to do with other stuff.
As for goading motorists i've never done it, don't know anyone who has ever done it and no't need to do it, enough idiots out there without doing it. Unless by goading you mean accelerating hard to get up behind you as you hurtle down the 'empty' stretch of road.
And whats wrong with just slowing down or pulling over to one side if you feel goaded, personally i don't think the answer is to hit the accelerator to 'have a bit of fun', chances are they probably weren't even looking at you till you jumped on the power, then it just makes us think you've nicked it!!
Take responsibility for your actions, if you get 3 points for speeding take it on the chin, i do, no-one pushing the loud pedal for you is there?
17 February 2006, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Jonathan Davies
I don't get this pushing/bullying thing at all. You're in a car - you're not in danger. Being tailgated on a bike is less pleasant and genuinely dangerous to the rider, but the only thing that a driver risks by not speeding up for tailgaters is pride.
17 February 2006, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris5-0
Funny thing is, everyone on here moaning about getting done admitted to speeding!?
Not everything is black and white with the police you know, not everything is out to get the motorist. I happen to know of a few things either on two or four wheels that have nothing to do with catching speeders etc. and all to do with other stuff.
As for goading motorists i've never done it, don't know anyone who has ever done it and no't need to do it, enough idiots out there without doing it. Unless by goading you mean accelerating hard to get up behind you as you hurtle down the 'empty' stretch of road.
And whats wrong with just slowing down or pulling over to one side if you feel goaded, personally i don't think the answer is to hit the accelerator to 'have a bit of fun', chances are they probably weren't even looking at you till you jumped on the power, then it just makes us think you've nicked it!!
Take responsibility for your actions, if you get 3 points for speeding take it on the chin, i do, no-one pushing the loud pedal for you is there?
Not everything is black and white with the police you know, not everything is out to get the motorist. I happen to know of a few things either on two or four wheels that have nothing to do with catching speeders etc. and all to do with other stuff.
As for goading motorists i've never done it, don't know anyone who has ever done it and no't need to do it, enough idiots out there without doing it. Unless by goading you mean accelerating hard to get up behind you as you hurtle down the 'empty' stretch of road.
And whats wrong with just slowing down or pulling over to one side if you feel goaded, personally i don't think the answer is to hit the accelerator to 'have a bit of fun', chances are they probably weren't even looking at you till you jumped on the power, then it just makes us think you've nicked it!!
Take responsibility for your actions, if you get 3 points for speeding take it on the chin, i do, no-one pushing the loud pedal for you is there?
I may sound a bit lame but these days if someone is so close to the back of my car on an A class road that I can't see their headlights or reg plate I tend to put on the N/S indicator to let them past (in particular bikers; all you have to do is slow down a bit and go closer to the near side of the road); on a dual carriageway I just slow right down if being tailgated. I know I can out**** a lot of the Boy Racers who want to take on a Scoob but my licence is clean and I'd like it to remain that way.
I must be approaching old age but that in itself is a testament.
K.
17 February 2006, 11:13 PM
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Yep its all about max stealthy revenue these days rather than prevention via visible reminders that u' may well get caught sonny boy so behave and dont even think about it!
In fact last year I had a funny experience. Long story short : bike changes lanes for no other reason than to be behind me at lights on 3 lane roundabout. I nip off down slip road to motorway - he is GLUED to me. I gradually decide to unleash the 430horses for all of about 5" and then coast back to 70 and tuck in, he follows for a minute before then STORMING past. A couple of minutes later an unmarked Skoda stops me and ticks me off for playing silly buggers with an undercover officer
. He took all of 10" to tell me off and then legged it. Most odd! He too went off at over the speed limit with no markings or lights. Really odd and I'm confused as to who really was playing silly buggers - although I am terribly sorry for any potential carnage if I exceeded the speed limit by a bit for a few secs.
As a gesture of goodwil I have since sent Thames Valley Safety Camera Partnership £60 and a tin of Quality Street.
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In fact last year I had a funny experience. Long story short : bike changes lanes for no other reason than to be behind me at lights on 3 lane roundabout. I nip off down slip road to motorway - he is GLUED to me. I gradually decide to unleash the 430horses for all of about 5" and then coast back to 70 and tuck in, he follows for a minute before then STORMING past. A couple of minutes later an unmarked Skoda stops me and ticks me off for playing silly buggers with an undercover officer
. He took all of 10" to tell me off and then legged it. Most odd! He too went off at over the speed limit with no markings or lights. Really odd and I'm confused as to who really was playing silly buggers - although I am terribly sorry for any potential carnage if I exceeded the speed limit by a bit for a few secs. As a gesture of goodwil I have since sent Thames Valley Safety Camera Partnership £60 and a tin of Quality Street.
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18 February 2006, 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Pauleds2
Apart from Chris 5-0, another load of self styled "experts" spouting opinion as if it were fact.
welcome to the human race - even so called 'experts' are only airing opinion - and the accuracy and value of that opinion is again 100% subjective. There are good, bad, lousy, crooked, straight and great cops - just like every other facet of human life...let the people speak I say - no matter how deluded it maybe - we only learn by sharing, seeing other points of view and maybe reflecting on our behaviour and saying occasionally ' mmy yeah - I see that now"
Who made you grand arbiter of opinion ? Isn't your 'opinion' that 'all opinions other than chris 5-0 are junk' just another opinion ?
18 February 2006, 12:21 AM
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Well said Flynn [and that's from a man who wants more & more visible traffic cops & more breathtests & insurance checks etc etc. And a bloke who has had 100% good experiences with them - even when it ultimately cost me money!!! No sour grapes from this civilian expert!]
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18 February 2006, 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Diesel
Well said Flynn [and that's from a man who wants more & more visible traffic cops & more breathtests & insurance checks etc etc. And a bloke who has had 100% good experiences with them - even when it ultimately cost me money!!! No sour grapes from this civilian expert!]
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on the other hand - Only bitter experience I ever had was with an unmarked - followed me down a DESERTED motorway late at night whilst I was doing 80-85mph he was the only other car on the road!! - waited until I got on a B road - wasn't driving crazy - actually slowed downquite a bit and he dropped right back long way away - still deserted - then comes screaming up behind like a madman and pulled me and did me - no warning - no education - I wasn't impressed - THAT only taught me that not all cops are equal!. Simply wouldn't discuss with me why he didn't pull me on the motorway.
Here's a great example of GREAT policing - I was driving down a fairly quiet motorway about 80mph...hills and fields in total black - about a mile up the road the blue lights just come on for a couple of seconds - cop must have tagged my speed but in his own way said 'slow down boy' - I respected the 'fair play' and adjusted accordingly - more so it made me think with an unprejudiced mind about the way I drive. Cops should be educating drivers not collecting revenue to meet 'targets'.
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18 February 2006, 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Pauleds2
Apart from Chris 5-0, another load of self styled "experts" spouting opinion as if it were fact.
I have evaulated your post and decided it is worthless. But that is my opinion.
18 February 2006, 12:45 AM
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Sam Browne belt and be suspicious. (specially on a superbike) Copper on a bike will always have at least this.
I got done years ago by a Maestro! torbo version though!
PaSSED HIM AND then he joined my exhaust.
Young and eager I took up the challenge until I spotted the blue light they popped onto the roof.....****....
Excuse me sir...yes....etc
Got nicked and learned a lesson.
NEVER EVER be goaded into a race.
Let them go. Have a look, and if all is well show 'em what you've got!
The longer you live the more you eat
I got done years ago by a Maestro! torbo version though!
PaSSED HIM AND then he joined my exhaust.
Young and eager I took up the challenge until I spotted the blue light they popped onto the roof.....****....
Excuse me sir...yes....etc
Got nicked and learned a lesson.
NEVER EVER be goaded into a race.
Let them go. Have a look, and if all is well show 'em what you've got!
The longer you live the more you eat
18 February 2006, 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by flynnstudio
Visible traffic cops educated me to stop acting like a tit on the public highway when there are other people around - they've always been polite and professional - more so actually really nice people sorry for having to do me. I'm all for them! - I learnt from them.
Here's a great example of GREAT policing - I was driving down a fairly quiet motorway about 80mph...hills and fields in total black - about a mile up the road the blue lights just come on for a couple of seconds - cop must have tagged my speed but in his own way said 'slow down boy' - I respected the 'fair play' and adjusted accordingly - more so it made me think with an unprejudiced mind about the way I drive. Cops should be educating drivers not collecting revenue to meet 'targets'.
Here's a great example of GREAT policing - I was driving down a fairly quiet motorway about 80mph...hills and fields in total black - about a mile up the road the blue lights just come on for a couple of seconds - cop must have tagged my speed but in his own way said 'slow down boy' - I respected the 'fair play' and adjusted accordingly - more so it made me think with an unprejudiced mind about the way I drive. Cops should be educating drivers not collecting revenue to meet 'targets'.
18 February 2006, 06:40 PM
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Totally agree - do anything that shows any danger whatsoever, drive selfishly or without consideration for others or be substantially over the limit and you get booked. No bones about that whatsoever.
The great thing that went in conjunction with the above was that say you accelerated to pass a truck and broke the speed limit momentarily it would be very unlikely a policeman would book you as long as you promptly coasted back down to a safe speed - that scenario is centered on common sense and discretion being applied. Shame it is almost a thing of the past with all focus being on robotic revenue gathering based on absolutes. Buts that's a different chat
The great thing that went in conjunction with the above was that say you accelerated to pass a truck and broke the speed limit momentarily it would be very unlikely a policeman would book you as long as you promptly coasted back down to a safe speed - that scenario is centered on common sense and discretion being applied. Shame it is almost a thing of the past with all focus being on robotic revenue gathering based on absolutes. Buts that's a different chat
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