3 million Indians fought in WW2, matey. Immigrants have been coming to this island for centuries, invited and uninvited.

 

As Andy states, the thread has split the posters and has unfortunately degenerated into a obscene slanging match. On both sides we have the two extremes. It doesn't take many posts to figure out who. We then work neatly into the middle ground with the rest.. So yes, a snapshot of what's currently working through the country on a larger scale..

Ted, I'd be very uncomfortable with either side having majority rule and I certainly feel uncomfortable siding with either with the views on display.

That's why I'm very comfortable sitting in the middle having the freedom and scope to move left and right on the issues I feel strongly about and to not be so narrow minded or disingenuous to see & work through other points of view.

 

I've explained that before and you still don't understand. Why do you disagree that people who are terrorists and support terrorism are not sub-human?

I have never supported **** ideals so stop saying I have you lying ****.

 

Yeah, so did a lot of other people, and every person that has died in the past 1000 years for Britain/England. For Moses to say this country is what it is today only because of Asian immigrants is completely offensive.

 

BTW, my wife is Asian and my Stepmother is Jewish - no way am I racist, I just see things as they are rather than rose-tinted glasses like a lot of pathetc PC types.

 

its not about terrorists its about muslims and u the guy who said deport all the muslims didnt u

u expect me to believe u didnt mean it for all muslims

b-o-l-l-o-c-k-s as paul r would say



im aff i dont want to be entertainment for other people

and also people say here some of them anyway, no wonder people r anti islamic if they have people like moses representing them

hey feckhead inbred chav dole scrounging *******s of so many fathers

when was ever moses= to islam and muslims

its like saying harold shipman and garry glitter represents whites and christians aint it

see it will burn your *** coz i said it, but when u use these words its fine aint it against me.


and kiwi i didnt say our asians were responsible of it all but almost majority of it u ******* were on the dole and lazy while the immigrants were working their asses of coz they were poor and had nothing and had to send money back to their families who were poor too

 

Find where I said it then. I support deportation of anyone that supports terrorist actions against this country.


That's your problem though, you can't make sweeping statements like that and expect no response, some of us are very hard working, as were our parents and grandparents.

 

yeah just u remember that and others when u talk about luxuries we fecking work for in this country thats ours too not just yours

and if u dont remember i will remind u again as the above

 

Interesting. When did this happen? Can you produce any statistics to back it up?

Thanks in advance....

UB

 

go check it up u seem to know alot about asians and immigrants u always talk b-o-l-l-oc-ks about them ub

so go and search
i did help u last time didnt i 2 yrs ago and when u checked u had a shock about the kohi noor on the queens crown

 

LOL you have a good memory. It wasn't a shock though, just a fact.

Can you show me the bollocks I have talked about asians etc? Also I would still be interested in your evidence for your other claims regarding my original question.

Thanks again.

UB

 

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It's 10 EUR, so about 7 UKP + shipping. And no, I don't have any financial gains from it

 

Quote "From my point of view, with the asian/muslim people I know, they are fine upstanding examples of old fashioned 'Britishness' - politeness, courtesy, respect for the elderly, happy to queue, family values, etc."

The bombers were all of these things too, problem is the extremists that carried out the attacks were "normal" people in their families and friends eyes. Would you get in a tube carriage, with a muslim carrying a backpack?

There is no solution to this problem. Whether it be the Irish or Muslims, there will always be people willing to murder, using whatever excuse they can come up with at the time. If it wasn't the UK going to war with Iraq, it would be something else....

Murdering cowards in the eyes of most people and there will be plenty more like them living in a neighbourhood near you.

 

Here's what you said previously:

On another thread you went on about how the BNP were right.

Is your Dad Jimmy Hill perchance?

 

CoobyS,

In answer to your question, there is a power struggle going on in the world and it is to the advantage of greedy and selfish people.

Some of them are using religion for their own purposes and influencing young people to do their evil jobs for them as we have seen recently. The fact that we were conned into attacking Iraq illegally has made us into one of the prime targets. I am sure we agree on that anyway.

Les

 

Exscoob:

My immediate reaction is to be suspicious not about the timing of the bombs, this is the most obvious aspect, but who exactly is behind them.

It’s been almost four years since 9/11 without a single bombing in the UK (the police say they’ve foiled attempts but have given out no details) but with dire warnings being handed out at regular intervals – “not if but when” etc.

And with hundreds arrested under anti-terror laws but not a single conviction of anyone actually proved as being a member of al-Qu’eda or even being caught red-handed with a bomb, it’s safe to assume that it’s unlikely that al-Qu’eda actually exists as an effective organisation, let alone operates an ‘international terror network’.

And given Osama bin Laden‘s proven connection to the CIA as a paid ‘asset’ for at least ten years prior to 9/11 coupled to the fact even after years of chasing him up hill and down dale without so much as a sighting, it’s pretty obvious that the US have no intention of actually catching the bugger.

Instead, we get handed a new bogeyman in the form of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi who predictably proves to be as elusive as the fabled Osama. Is it just me, or do I see a pattern here?

After all, consider the implications of catching a man (if he actually exists) who is in all likelihood (still) an ‘asset’ of the CIA? What tales would such a man have to tell about his paymasters (if he lived long enough to tell his tale that is)?

I might add that the historical record is on my side when one looks at how the US ‘Cointelpro’ operated, placing operatives inside a number of left-wing organisations including the US Socialist Workers Party, the CPUSA and the Black Panther Party.

One American psy-ops operative recently leveled with the Australian newspaper The Age: “We were basically paying up to US$10,000 a time to opportunists and criminals who passed off fiction and supposition about Zarqawi as cast-iron fact, making him out as the linchpin of just about every attack in Iraq.” – Kurt Nimmo

Once inside they would assume positions of responsibility and attempt to get these organisations to adopt confrontational (sometimes, suicidal) policies that would then give the state a reason to arrest and/or kill said members, especially leading members, as it did with the Black Panther Party, murdering its leading members in cold blood after being set up by infiltrators.

The use of agent provocateurs is a well established method that many states have and still do, use against those it perceives as its enemies as well being used as a pretext for the introduction of repressive measures. It doesn‘t even require a 9/11, merely the threat of ‘subversion’ or of future terrorist actions.

The carnage unleashed in London has to be set in the context of a government under severe pressure not only because of the invasion of Iraq and its aftermath but of a state that has lost all credibility in the eyes of the public. It has to be set in the context of its failing ID card scheme, more accurately a national database, a crucial building block in the construction of the corporate security state. At this crucial period it needs to up the anté and what better than a series of bombings to create the right conditions?

Maintaining a state of terror is crucial and the British public have been carefully primed for these murderous attacks with endless reminders from the state security apparatus that such events were entirely predictable. No doubt there will now be calls for even more repressive surveillance and ‘pre-emption’ methods to be introduced.

The media for its part is of course doing its bit to keep ramming home the ‘al-Qu’eda' connection even though not a shred of evidence has ever been produced in or out of a court of law to show that it exists, let alone that’s it‘s behind any of the bombings. The name is merely a mantra, like ‘Red’ or ‘Commie’, a convenient button to be pushed as and when needed.

Of course it can‘t be proved that the people who set these bombs are the paid agents of the British or US state, anymore than the state can prove that al-Zarqawi exists, but the inability of the most sophisticated intelligence/security agencies on the planet to catch them; their chosen targets – never agents of the state, always civilians; and in Iraq, almost always Iraqi civilians – points to the work of agent provocateurs in the classic mould.

The Websites that are the convenient mouthpiece for the various ‘Islamist’ organisations, are extremely easy to trace, yet mysteriously, even when they have registered offices in the heart of London, the police never inquire. It’s all just to easy, just too pat and when the prepared handouts from the state propagandists are accepted without question by the corporate/state media, we have a ready-made recipé for repression.

The london blasts have been claimed by yet another, previously unknown ‘Islamist’ organisation. The bottom line is that as long the state defines the terrain of struggle – the war on terror – the losers will be us, punters on the way to work and the poor of the planet who dare defy the imperium.

There will be those of course who will brand me a conspiracist, it’s surely outrageous to claim that our government would conspire to murder its own citizens but consider that it conspired with the US government to invade and occupy Iraq, murdered tens of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians, and all done on the basis of lies and of a set of fabricated documents and the statements of people who were paid to incriminate the government of Iraq (one of whom, Ahmed Chalabi is under indictment for precisely this), so what’s a few dozen or even a few hundred innocent people here in the UK, in Spain, as well as the thousands who have been murdered in Iraq by ‘al-Qu’eda’? When set in this context, there is surely nothing far-fetched about the British state conspiring to bomb the tube here in the heart of London, there’s an awful lot at stake, not the least the future of the capitalist state. Think about it…

 

Thank you, Les. You seem like a decent enough fella, but I'm still waiting for an apology for being termed a 'troll' by you earlier in the thread!

Yes, we do agree on that last point. However, getting to the grass roots of the problem requires looking at where this 'power stuggle' started. Money is power. The middle east has had the money (read oil). Why is it that history has always shown the West to be invaders? When has the West been invaded or attacked without reason by the Muslim world? We've reaped what we have sown: meddling in Middle-Easter affairs and unfairly supporting Israel.

I'm all for solving the mess we are in now. But, like I have said before, a solution will only ever come if we address the root causes of terrorism. Mark my words.

 

gsm1, You are either a liar or stupid. Which one is it. Don't take my posts out of context f.ckhead!!

Obviously if you support the bombings then the above would be offensive to you.

And the BNP comment?

And here is what the BNP said


I then went on to say

So gsm1, you have misquoted me and taken everything I have said out of context you stupid f.ucking asrehole.

 

lol owned

 

I really can't believe that I'm having to argue and defend myself so much.

My core beliefs are:

People who perpetrate, support and refuse to condemn the bombings are subhuman

Immigrants should treat the country, people and culture they are in with respect. (As I do whenever I travel to a foreign country) eg: Freedom to practice your religion but unacceptable to demand the UK become a Muslim state.

That all people who have lived in Britain have contributed to what it is today, no one group of people or immigrants are responsible for it.

That organised religion is the cause of a multitude of problems.

Why are these so offensive to some people?

 

People bored with nothing better to do (in life) so they argue on SN

 

First of all, just because you make subsequent posts doesn't mean taking your words out of context.

You've said plenty that's offensive here, now you start moderating your spiel to suit.

Anyone that uses terms like 'Untermensch' isn't proud that the ***** were defeated in my book.

Now, explain to me how you're going to deport people.

 

Find the offensive stuff then!

Use of a word means knowlege of a word. BTW, are you German, I notice you used the word "spiel"

Untermensch = A separate, unequal, basically evil stranger whose national existence is slowly but surely emptied and deprived of justification.

A fairly accurate description of terrorists living in Britain I'd say.

 

Anyway , why should anyone listen to a xenophobe like gsm1 anyway.

From one of your previous posts

 

Isn't that what you did when you were unemployed?

 

PMSL






Perhaps we should have a "Scoobynet question Time" on tv that would be worth watching

 

Going by your post count you put a lot into scoobynet then

 

162 vs 6000+ errrr....whatever!

 

Never had the pleasure of living off public money I’m afraid mate, I've been at work since 16.

 

You can just see his image now !!!