Intake manifold for more top end power
28 April 2005, 12:53 AM
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PS.
For the likes of "David Wallis".
Calling us "*******" is not exactly the most pleasant thing you could do, and I will be interested to see if you are all big enough to apologise.
regards
Simon
For the likes of "David Wallis".
Calling us "*******" is not exactly the most pleasant thing you could do, and I will be interested to see if you are all big enough to apologise.
regards
Simon
28 April 2005, 12:54 AM
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Hi Mark
I don't run this side anymore.. and in-fact have to negociate with shaun on behalf of scoobysport!!
(how ironic is that!).
Drop shaun a PM at the webby account or on webmaster@scoobynet.co.uk and he'll give you all the details.
There are a whole hill of new options available, as can be seen on the sponsored forums, etc currently.
Cheers
Simon
I don't run this side anymore.. and in-fact have to negociate with shaun on behalf of scoobysport!!
(how ironic is that!).Drop shaun a PM at the webby account or on webmaster@scoobynet.co.uk and he'll give you all the details.
There are a whole hill of new options available, as can be seen on the sponsored forums, etc currently.
Cheers
Simon
28 April 2005, 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by webmaster
Hi Mark
I don't run this side anymore.. and in-fact have to negociate with shaun on behalf of scoobysport!! (how ironic is that)
Simon
I don't run this side anymore.. and in-fact have to negociate with shaun on behalf of scoobysport!!
(how ironic is that)Simon
It's "Unbelievable"
I'll Mail Shaun.
Mark.
28 April 2005, 07:06 AM
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hi folks,
not wanting to tread on toes here.
what andy f is doing is great ... will be a one off ..... who would want to buy loads of bits cut them up, super glue them back, etc etc ..... you would nead two cars etc ...........
................... all i would say is good luck.
big thumbs up for andy, if it wasnt for the likes of him i wouldnt get my hands dirty doing mods etc to my car.
not wanting to tread on toes here.
what andy f is doing is great ... will be a one off ..... who would want to buy loads of bits cut them up, super glue them back, etc etc ..... you would nead two cars etc ...........
................... all i would say is good luck.
big thumbs up for andy, if it wasnt for the likes of him i wouldnt get my hands dirty doing mods etc to my car.
28 April 2005, 10:28 AM
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First off thank you to all those that have quite honestly jumped to the wrong conclusion/jumped on the band wagon, perhaps without all the facts and also perhaps as I should of explained the issue a little better to Andy in the 1st instance.
If my grasp of sending a communication effectively has failed, I surely do apologise for that..... but why this could of not been discussed DIRECT with me for clarification is beyond me.
Considering I was non-agressive and polite..... surely I deserved that at the very least, and I know what has happened now could of been avoided totally.
I appreciate Andy's contribution as I stated in my communication and it's a real shame that Andy could not of Pm'd me back for further clarification or discussion on this, prior to posting what he has.
Regards,
Shaun.
If my grasp of sending a communication effectively has failed, I surely do apologise for that..... but why this could of not been discussed DIRECT with me for clarification is beyond me.
Considering I was non-agressive and polite..... surely I deserved that at the very least, and I know what has happened now could of been avoided totally.
I appreciate Andy's contribution as I stated in my communication and it's a real shame that Andy could not of Pm'd me back for further clarification or discussion on this, prior to posting what he has.
Regards,
Shaun.
28 April 2005, 11:15 AM
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hi folks,
not wanting to tread on toes here.
what andy f is doing is great ... will be a one off ..... who would want to buy loads of bits cut them up, super glue them back, etc etc ..... you would nead two cars etc ...........
................... all i would say is good luck.
big thumbs up for andy, if it wasnt for the likes of him i wouldnt get my hands dirty doing mods etc to my car.
not wanting to tread on toes here.
what andy f is doing is great ... will be a one off ..... who would want to buy loads of bits cut them up, super glue them back, etc etc ..... you would nead two cars etc ...........
................... all i would say is good luck.
big thumbs up for andy, if it wasnt for the likes of him i wouldnt get my hands dirty doing mods etc to my car.
You wouldn't need two cars, just bits from two cars. Manifolds are pretty readily available if you know where to look, but the choice to actually do it is entirely personal.
I for one wouldn't do it myself simply because I have no Engineering experience or skill whatsoever. Doesn't mean that I don't enjoy reading these sorts of projects.
I'm sure if the project proves to provide extrememly good gains, then it won't be long before an off-the-shelf item can be bought and bolted on by anyone that can operate a socket wrench.
If people such as Andy didn't share the info on these forums, the Scooby modding-scene would be still in the dark ages.
Stefan
p.s. the bickering is good entertainment and it comes for free
28 April 2005, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by webmaster
Andy
Apologies, and thank you
I wish we'd had a discussion about this prior to you posting.
But... the easy way to settle all this is to be completely clear about it now.
Firstly. Andy, can you please remove your commercial content from your profile.
Secondly. There is absolutely no problem whatsoever with this particular thread. This is through a number of factors including, when it was started, how it has been conducted and the fact that it is a one-off and of interest to the community.
We do also recognise that you are gaining business out of this thread, and this fact sometimes causes us problems with companies who are paying for advertising and don't like to see others getting it for free, and other companies who don't pay for advertising but wonder why they are stopped from posting.
As you are openly commercially interested in this community, I wonder whether you would like to consider advertising with us in order to put some commercial benefit back in return for that which you will / do gain.
You will then be allowed to do things like adding your phone number to your profile in an "above board" way, without it being seen by many as sneaky and a blatant bending of the rules.
If so, we can do a very low priced deal for you so that it proves that there is not a motivation of greed, purely in order to show "fair's fair" and so that nobody has anything to complain about.
How does 20 quid a month grab you?
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to be clear.
This thread is fine. Please don't post commercially in it.
Please remove your commercial content from your profile.
If you feel that there is somethign in this that you don't agree with, please feel free to contact us, as you may have misunderstood it.
Regards
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Apologies, and thank you
I wish we'd had a discussion about this prior to you posting.
But... the easy way to settle all this is to be completely clear about it now.
Firstly. Andy, can you please remove your commercial content from your profile.
Secondly. There is absolutely no problem whatsoever with this particular thread. This is through a number of factors including, when it was started, how it has been conducted and the fact that it is a one-off and of interest to the community.
We do also recognise that you are gaining business out of this thread, and this fact sometimes causes us problems with companies who are paying for advertising and don't like to see others getting it for free, and other companies who don't pay for advertising but wonder why they are stopped from posting.
As you are openly commercially interested in this community, I wonder whether you would like to consider advertising with us in order to put some commercial benefit back in return for that which you will / do gain.
You will then be allowed to do things like adding your phone number to your profile in an "above board" way, without it being seen by many as sneaky and a blatant bending of the rules.
If so, we can do a very low priced deal for you so that it proves that there is not a motivation of greed, purely in order to show "fair's fair" and so that nobody has anything to complain about.
How does 20 quid a month grab you?
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to be clear.
This thread is fine. Please don't post commercially in it.
Please remove your commercial content from your profile.
If you feel that there is somethign in this that you don't agree with, please feel free to contact us, as you may have misunderstood it.
Regards
Simon
)I also make no secret of having gained business via Scoobynet, a large percentage of my website hits are referred from this BBS and I use your scoobyshop facility.
Although this thread started strictly as a one-off development project, from the correspondence I have had, it appears there is a potential market for a very similar (bolt-on) product.
This combined with having to tread v e r y carefully when I post on other threads has convinced me that your "Authorised Advertiser" offer is probably the best way ahead for me. So I'll accept your £20/m package.
Andy
ps Can you do me a better combined deal on my phone/gas/elec too
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28 April 2005, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by webmaster
Andy
I've pm'd you to make sure there are no misunderstandings.
I've pm'd you to make sure there are no misunderstandings.
<must resist...>
28 April 2005, 12:38 PM
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Can we all look forward to the resumption of welding, grazed knuckles and RR results/arguments/sulking and normal Snet banter now?
To loose such a thread as this would reduce Snet's value considerably.
I hope Andy will resume the topic...I bet I'm not alone.
Graham
To loose such a thread as this would reduce Snet's value considerably.
I hope Andy will resume the topic...I bet I'm not alone.
Graham
28 April 2005, 01:19 PM
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28 April 2005, 03:41 PM
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\m/ ^_^ \m/
lets hope we can put the previous couple of pages behind us and carry on, i'd like to see the outcome as would most other people
28 April 2005, 03:44 PM
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Andy, this may not have started off as a commercial thread but I would certainly be interested in buying one of these from you if you decide to make them.
That said, I am keen to know how you will operate two throttle bodies concurrently and also if you can accomodate 8 grey injectors. Plus, whilst you are at it, some tidy fuel rails could be nice too!
That said, I am keen to know how you will operate two throttle bodies concurrently and also if you can accomodate 8 grey injectors. Plus, whilst you are at it, some tidy fuel rails could be nice too!
28 April 2005, 03:48 PM
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28 April 2005, 05:00 PM
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PS.
For the likes of "David Wallis".
Calling us "*******" is not exactly the most pleasant thing you could do, and I will be interested to see if you are all big enough to apologise.
regards
Simon
For the likes of "David Wallis".
Calling us "*******" is not exactly the most pleasant thing you could do, and I will be interested to see if you are all big enough to apologise.
regards
Simon
I think the way certain issues are being handled then its disgusting, its just a good job you have a 'niche' market as such and that we arent your clients nor employees.
I also think if the paying contributors (dont forget plus members) want to see andys posts then I think they should be allowed, regardless.
Anway this is pointless.. so.. Ill appologise for the tone / language / wording used, but Ill stand by my comments.. And as for my misorganised thread
David
Edited to make sure top comment is seperate from bottom ones.
28 April 2005, 05:01 PM
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oh yes, of course.
One question then.
the two plenums are located one behind the other.
If that is the case then how can he have that throttle body connected to both at the same time without having it pointing upwards from the top of the plenums.
If that is the case, do he not have a problem of the bonnet closing?
I can't see how that throttle body could be mounted vertically either assuming the plenums are mounted above one another as again they would be too tall.
One question then.
the two plenums are located one behind the other.
If that is the case then how can he have that throttle body connected to both at the same time without having it pointing upwards from the top of the plenums.
If that is the case, do he not have a problem of the bonnet closing?
I can't see how that throttle body could be mounted vertically either assuming the plenums are mounted above one another as again they would be too tall.
28 April 2005, 05:06 PM
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I am picturing them side by side (or rather one infront of the other) with the throttle body on top / between them..
Perhaps we should wait for the man himself to comment??
Perhaps we should wait for the man himself to comment??
28 April 2005, 08:15 PM
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Simon - I never took issue with your (OK, s'net) statements before, but; "We do also recognise that you are gaining business out of this thread, and this fact sometimes causes us problems with companies who are paying for advertising and don't like to see others getting it for free, and other companies who don't pay for advertising but wonder why they are stopped from posting." makes me somewhat irate.
What company would take issue with this thread from a commercial stand-point, specifically?
One that wasn't prepared to give anything back to the community and just reap the dollar rewards of selling stuff not discussed, perhaps? If said companies gave something back, which costs them nothing, via posts such as this, then they would also get free advertising, no?
Andy is obviously trying to 'reap the benefits' by placing the post here, but I fail to see the issue of this approach. Others could take the same approach and shoot him down in flames.
I'm glad he paid the 20 quid/month, saved me paying it for him to continue (No-one tell the Scottish tight git only interested in reducing closed-loop AFR's to 15:1 ).
On a technical front - more important than increasing VE, for me, is at least making sure each runner flows the same to equalise VE. My inlet is +75% better at this than before I sent it for the porting work But my engine has been a WIP for over 2 years now.......
Richard
What company would take issue with this thread from a commercial stand-point, specifically?
One that wasn't prepared to give anything back to the community and just reap the dollar rewards of selling stuff not discussed, perhaps? If said companies gave something back, which costs them nothing, via posts such as this, then they would also get free advertising, no?
Andy is obviously trying to 'reap the benefits' by placing the post here, but I fail to see the issue of this approach. Others could take the same approach and shoot him down in flames.
I'm glad he paid the 20 quid/month, saved me paying it for him to continue
(No-one tell the Scottish tight git only interested in reducing closed-loop AFR's to 15:1 ).On a technical front - more important than increasing VE, for me, is at least making sure each runner flows the same to equalise VE. My inlet is +75% better at this than before I sent it for the porting work
But my engine has been a WIP for over 2 years now.......Richard
29 April 2005, 09:57 AM
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Thanks very much David, I respect that more than most would realise.
Regarding your comments and suggestion that all should be able to see Andy's posts. I agree completely, and I think you are still commenting on what Andy reported as his understanding, rather than what we are suggesting.
Shaun also agrees with this.
Cheers
Simon
Regarding your comments and suggestion that all should be able to see Andy's posts. I agree completely, and I think you are still commenting on what Andy reported as his understanding, rather than what we are suggesting.
Shaun also agrees with this.
Cheers
Simon
29 April 2005, 12:02 PM
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dowser
I share your wish for the simplistic logic you suggest to be a reality. Unfortunately it is not.
The problem we have, is that some individuals take advantage of this perceived freedom and begin to spam the boards with thinly veiled advers.
The reason this thread is absolutely fine in our opinion is that it is NOT a thinly veiled advert, and that is clear for all to see.
Shaun's comments were purely just to explain that this CAN cause us a problem as people DO complain. The fact they complain takes time, as we have to discuss it all with them so they don't think "sod it then, I'm gonna do the "same" and post a load of adverts". So shaun's comments were purely to say "if you fancy advertising, it would ALSO help us out as it would make it clear to those people that you are advertising".
Hope this clears it up.
I share your wish for the simplistic logic you suggest to be a reality. Unfortunately it is not.
The problem we have, is that some individuals take advantage of this perceived freedom and begin to spam the boards with thinly veiled advers.
The reason this thread is absolutely fine in our opinion is that it is NOT a thinly veiled advert, and that is clear for all to see.
Shaun's comments were purely just to explain that this CAN cause us a problem as people DO complain. The fact they complain takes time, as we have to discuss it all with them so they don't think "sod it then, I'm gonna do the "same" and post a load of adverts". So shaun's comments were purely to say "if you fancy advertising, it would ALSO help us out as it would make it clear to those people that you are advertising".
Hope this clears it up.
29 April 2005, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by webmaster
Thanks very much David, I respect that more than most would realise.
Regarding your comments and suggestion that all should be able to see Andy's posts. I agree completely, and I think you are still commenting on what Andy reported as his understanding, rather than what we are suggesting.
Shaun also agrees with this.
Cheers
Simon
Regarding your comments and suggestion that all should be able to see Andy's posts. I agree completely, and I think you are still commenting on what Andy reported as his understanding, rather than what we are suggesting.
Shaun also agrees with this.
Cheers
Simon
I suppose theres allways two sides to every story
Ill keep quiet
Have a nice weekend
29 April 2005, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by webmaster
dowser
I share your wish for the simplistic logic you suggest to be a reality. Unfortunately it is not.
The problem we have, is that some individuals take advantage of this perceived freedom and begin to spam the boards with thinly veiled advers.
The reason this thread is absolutely fine in our opinion is that it is NOT a thinly veiled advert, and that is clear for all to see.
Shaun's comments were purely just to explain that this CAN cause us a problem as people DO complain. The fact they complain takes time, as we have to discuss it all with them so they don't think "sod it then, I'm gonna do the "same" and post a load of adverts". So shaun's comments were purely to say "if you fancy advertising, it would ALSO help us out as it would make it clear to those people that you are advertising".
Hope this clears it up.
I share your wish for the simplistic logic you suggest to be a reality. Unfortunately it is not.
The problem we have, is that some individuals take advantage of this perceived freedom and begin to spam the boards with thinly veiled advers.
The reason this thread is absolutely fine in our opinion is that it is NOT a thinly veiled advert, and that is clear for all to see.
Shaun's comments were purely just to explain that this CAN cause us a problem as people DO complain. The fact they complain takes time, as we have to discuss it all with them so they don't think "sod it then, I'm gonna do the "same" and post a load of adverts". So shaun's comments were purely to say "if you fancy advertising, it would ALSO help us out as it would make it clear to those people that you are advertising".
Hope this clears it up.
The problem becomes when 'some' people pay the £20 or whatever it is and then spam, spam, spam. The topic of oil springs to mind.
Would rather put up with indirect plugging rather than direct-shove it down your throat plugging.
Keep up the good technical work AndyF. Would be a real loss to the forum without your input.
Bob
29 April 2005, 06:58 PM
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Bob
Firstly, can people stop saying anything that indicates we want Andy to stop. There is and has never been any wish for this.
Secondly. Authorised Advertisers are asked to be very careful not to spam the board, so it is not a license to spam, spam, spam. If we receive complaints we act on them.
Up until that point we assume all is well.
David
Thanks mate, you too
Simon
Firstly, can people stop saying anything that indicates we want Andy to stop. There is and has never been any wish for this.
Secondly. Authorised Advertisers are asked to be very careful not to spam the board, so it is not a license to spam, spam, spam. If we receive complaints we act on them.
Up until that point we assume all is well.
David
Thanks mate, you too
Simon
30 April 2005, 01:27 AM
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Well, I really enjoy these techy items. and don't want them to be stopped just in case we mortals go off to the poster to buy their goddies. Can I buy a Wallis custom FMIC please or a P20SPD 6 speed gearbox install or a special Harvey cold air box ? Nope!
If this sort of thread was pushing a certain product as a business then I could understand, so then why not ask the poster and/or move / lock the thread instead of this misunderstanding, aggravation etc.???
AFAIK Andy F has only recently gone commercial, previous stuff was a Hobby, and this particular item - inlet manifold design - is not a marketed product ... just sharing new advances in thinking about Scooby tuning with the Community, so maybe, just maybe, we can do the same too without high costs to commercial companies!
Was the thread "threatened with being stopped" 'cos it referred to a couple of alternative similar products, in the first few replies.. and those "IP owners" objected to their ideas being replicated?
Me, I don't do politics, but do not like freedom of choice being denied me.
Information wants to be free.
Doh! reminder to me, don't post when read only fist page or two!
If this sort of thread was pushing a certain product as a business then I could understand, so then why not ask the poster and/or move / lock the thread instead of this misunderstanding, aggravation etc.???
AFAIK Andy F has only recently gone commercial, previous stuff was a Hobby, and this particular item - inlet manifold design - is not a marketed product ... just sharing new advances in thinking about Scooby tuning with the Community, so maybe, just maybe, we can do the same too without high costs to commercial companies!
Was the thread "threatened with being stopped" 'cos it referred to a couple of alternative similar products, in the first few replies.. and those "IP owners" objected to their ideas being replicated?
Me, I don't do politics, but do not like freedom of choice being denied me.
Information wants to be free.
Doh! reminder to me, don't post when read only fist page or two!
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