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27 April 2005, 05:42 PM
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Must be. One cylinder to two inlets, and the double TB.
Be interestingt to see how the Wizard links the lot together and keeps the tube lengths equal.
Why not make it all out of alloy?
Are equal tube lengths that important?
Great thread/project.
Graham.
Be interestingt to see how the Wizard links the lot together and keeps the tube lengths equal.
Why not make it all out of alloy?
Are equal tube lengths that important?
Great thread/project.
Graham.
27 April 2005, 09:34 PM
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THE END.........
It would appear that this thread has upset some "Authorised Advertisers"
It has been deemed by the powers that be, that this thread is quote ... "giving you commercial exposure within the community"
Anyone who has emailed me on the subject will be aware that I have no intention to market these manifolds, much like my previous custom TMIC this is a 'one off'
I have been offered an advertising package at £xx/month in order to continue posting about this project which I have declined.
The link to my website has also been removed from my profile.
Andy
It would appear that this thread has upset some "Authorised Advertisers"
It has been deemed by the powers that be, that this thread is quote ... "giving you commercial exposure within the community"
Anyone who has emailed me on the subject will be aware that I have no intention to market these manifolds, much like my previous custom TMIC this is a 'one off'
I have been offered an advertising package at £xx/month in order to continue posting about this project which I have declined.
The link to my website has also been removed from my profile.
Andy
so now you can't mention things your are planning to do but other can 
27 April 2005, 10:03 PM
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Andy,
That is outrageous! You are making these things for you, and you alone! I can't recall ever seeing anything on this thread about some commercial interest.
I would be very interested to know who has complained about this, as it really is very poor form, unless I've totally missed something and you have been plugging these things for sale.
So, the rule would seem to be that if you have a commerical interest in things, for example, subaru tuning, then you're not allowed to post a project thread, even if you have no intention of drawing commerical attention to you and you're just showing others what you are doing.
Hmm, I wonder if I will get a warning if I post about Macintosh things in Computer Related as I work for a Macintosh Development company and might be causing people to look at who I work for and potentially purchase things from me.
As said by others, post this up on 22B.com, I'm sure you won't have a problem there.
That is outrageous! You are making these things for you, and you alone! I can't recall ever seeing anything on this thread about some commercial interest.
I would be very interested to know who has complained about this, as it really is very poor form, unless I've totally missed something and you have been plugging these things for sale.
So, the rule would seem to be that if you have a commerical interest in things, for example, subaru tuning, then you're not allowed to post a project thread, even if you have no intention of drawing commerical attention to you and you're just showing others what you are doing.
Hmm, I wonder if I will get a warning if I post about Macintosh things in Computer Related as I work for a Macintosh Development company and might be causing people to look at who I work for and potentially purchase things from me.
As said by others, post this up on 22B.com, I'm sure you won't have a problem there.
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27 April 2005, 10:10 PM
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FWIW I think the "powers that be" and their authorised advertisers need to take a look at themselves carefully. Without interesting threads like this there will be no-one viewing their highly priced adverts 
Tis very sad that the first decent thread on here in ages ends up like this 
Tis very sad that the first decent thread on here in ages ends up like this
27 April 2005, 10:34 PM
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This stinks.
The guy has been at the top of his particular Subaru field for years. He has a talent and earns himself a living doing it. He doesn't need to ***** Scoobynet to be recognised throughout the community, the community talks about Andy, Andy doesn't talk about Andy.
Just because other people have to pay to get exposure, it doesn't mean that those already in the limelight have to pay to speak.
The persons responsible should really take a look at themselves.
The guy has been at the top of his particular Subaru field for years. He has a talent and earns himself a living doing it. He doesn't need to ***** Scoobynet to be recognised throughout the community, the community talks about Andy, Andy doesn't talk about Andy.
Just because other people have to pay to get exposure, it doesn't mean that those already in the limelight have to pay to speak.
The persons responsible should really take a look at themselves.
27 April 2005, 10:34 PM
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Utterly stupid.
I am flabbergasted at this position.
Andy does not need to advertise anything as the reputation goes before him as I and others know. People find him out not the other way round.
We will never know who has done this, but what a negative attitude to tar this Forum with. Be ashamed.
What a load of idiots they are.
Now, where's the 22B site as I don't want to miss anything of this thread.....
If you are reading this Andy, pick it up and let the real enthusiasts enjoy your thoughts.
Utterly stupid.
Graham.
I am flabbergasted at this position.
Andy does not need to advertise anything as the reputation goes before him as I and others know. People find him out not the other way round.
We will never know who has done this, but what a negative attitude to tar this Forum with. Be ashamed.
What a load of idiots they are.
Now, where's the 22B site as I don't want to miss anything of this thread.....
If you are reading this Andy, pick it up and let the real enthusiasts enjoy your thoughts.
Utterly stupid.
Graham.
27 April 2005, 10:48 PM
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Tell you what, those tradesmen hanging around in the DIY section had better watch their backs, giving out advice like that 
27 April 2005, 10:55 PM
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Have to protest as well.
It is this type of thread that is exactly why me and no doubt many other visit Scoobynet.
I feel its rare for someone of Andy's reputation to want to publish any type of project work they do in a public forum in the first place.
Andy I do hope you continue on 22B.
Cheers
Dan
It is this type of thread that is exactly why me and no doubt many other visit Scoobynet.
I feel its rare for someone of Andy's reputation to want to publish any type of project work they do in a public forum in the first place.
Andy I do hope you continue on 22B.
Cheers
Dan
27 April 2005, 11:03 PM
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*******...
Myself and andy were amongst the first people to put up pictures and show what we were doing, and probably the first to really push 'diy tuning'
Its amazing how things change and then get 'forgotten'
Who was it that spent ages asking for a project 'forum' and started it all off.. **** this they wont even sort my diy fmic thread order out.. hence no more projects from me..
Andy become moderator, its all fine then
See you on 22b.
Utterly Disgusted.
David
Myself and andy were amongst the first people to put up pictures and show what we were doing, and probably the first to really push 'diy tuning'
Its amazing how things change and then get 'forgotten'
Who was it that spent ages asking for a project 'forum' and started it all off.. **** this they wont even sort my diy fmic thread order out.. hence no more projects from me..
Andy become moderator, its all fine then
See you on 22b.
Utterly Disgusted.
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27 April 2005, 11:05 PM
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Ditto all the above comments. I don't normally comment on thread problems, but I just had to here, as it is a thread I've been closely watching and learning a lot from even though I haven't posted in it. Someone is making a massive mistake going down this route IMHO. There must be some very small minded and insecure authorized advertisers out there, silencing technical brilliance just because they are a competitor sucks, more likely they would learn something from this thread. I'm very surprised Andy gives so much information away. Pearls before swine comes to mind...
This thread has been from Andy the enthusiast, commercially this is a non-starter. If "the community" doesn't want technical threads (which are some of the most interesting in ages) because the poster runs a tuning business, then the technical content of this board will become even further diluted, and more of the interesting posts will be on 22B.
No doubt all the dissent will be silenced as usual and we'll hear some drivel about "the community" and a funding sob story. All the dissenters will be invited to leave, and Scoobynet will alienate some more of its previously interested posters who actually contribute technically. Oh dear.
This thread has been from Andy the enthusiast, commercially this is a non-starter. If "the community"
doesn't want technical threads (which are some of the most interesting in ages) because the poster runs a tuning business, then the technical content of this board will become even further diluted, and more of the interesting posts will be on 22B.No doubt all the dissent will be silenced as usual and we'll hear some drivel about "the community" and a funding sob story. All the dissenters will be invited to leave, and Scoobynet will alienate some more of its previously interested posters who actually contribute technically. Oh dear.
27 April 2005, 11:19 PM
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Look, Andy.F and other knowledgeble contributors (who also have a commercial interest and do not advertise) are always those seen in most of the 'quality' discussion threads in technical and drivetrain.
Do you think if the likes of (from the top of my head)
Andy.F
Bob Rawle
Harvey
Mark Aigin (sp? sorry)
and others
were to leave SN, leaving technical advice to box pushers with the authority to plug their own product, do you think you'd visit Technical for impartial advice?
I'm not trying to sat that all Authorised Advertisers are not knowledgable, nor am I saying all those with expertise are allowed advertiser priviledges, but there has to be a healthy balance.
The actions surrounding this thread seems to have tipped the scales somewhat.
Do you think if the likes of (from the top of my head)
Andy.F
Bob Rawle
Harvey
Mark Aigin (sp? sorry)
and others
were to leave SN, leaving technical advice to box pushers with the authority to plug their own product, do you think you'd visit Technical for impartial advice?
I'm not trying to sat that all Authorised Advertisers are not knowledgable, nor am I saying all those with expertise are allowed advertiser priviledges, but there has to be a healthy balance.
The actions surrounding this thread seems to have tipped the scales somewhat.
27 April 2005, 11:22 PM
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oops, and yourself, John, but I didn't put you down in case you get millions of PM's asking for your discontinued services, lol
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I can appreciate that there can be a fine line between a tuner discussing idea's, and a project, and taking the pi55 commercially, but surely the "moderators" can use some common sense, and if the thread starts going off track, be brought back into line !!!
At this rate, it won't be long before NON authorised advertisers will be banned from posting any help, or advise, because it will be seen as "Commercial Exposure" !!!
Mark.
At this rate, it won't be long before NON authorised advertisers will be banned from posting any help, or advise, because it will be seen as "Commercial Exposure" !!!
Mark.
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This is pioneering stuff from Andy that he obvoiusly wants to share with the subaru owning masses. There is absolutley no harm in that.
I for one echo others sentiments here by saying that this was the most interesting technical thread by far on SN at the moment, a new idea to most of us but one that could really make a difference to our cars.
By stifleing this sort of lateral thinking and hiding this sort of information, i think u are just turning SN into a glorified chat room and banner ad site rather than the interactive database of useful information and helpful knowledgeable people that it should be.
Bah Humbug of to 22B where it's not being run by the nanny state!
SN webmaster have u thought of running for public office? With this sort of censorship you would probably fit right in!
I for one echo others sentiments here by saying that this was the most interesting technical thread by far on SN at the moment, a new idea to most of us but one that could really make a difference to our cars.
By stifleing this sort of lateral thinking and hiding this sort of information, i think u are just turning SN into a glorified chat room and banner ad site rather than the interactive database of useful information and helpful knowledgeable people that it should be.
Bah Humbug of to 22B where it's not being run by the nanny state!
SN webmaster have u thought of running for public office? With this sort of censorship you would probably fit right in!
28 April 2005, 12:13 AM
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28 April 2005, 12:13 AM
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OK guys in the interests of fairness, here is the PM sent by Shaun. Perhaps I misinterpreted it ? Make your own mind up.
Shaun didn't actually state that I couldn't post however my interpretation was that I needed to pay to continue to keep "everything above board"
(At no time have I requested to make commercial posts on this thread)
Andy
Shaun didn't actually state that I couldn't post however my interpretation was that I needed to pay to continue to keep "everything above board"
(At no time have I requested to make commercial posts on this thread)
Andy
Hi Andy,
You may remember that a few weeks ago I pm'd you concerning your profile. Can you please do me a huge favour and remove the commercial web address you have in it. Unfortunately we only allow this for Authorised Advertisers, which brings me on to something else
I notice you have started a Project Thread, which in itself is excellent (and a good read), but you may understand that this is some what selling you, your name and giving you commercial exposure within the community.
I appreciate that this was not your intention and you are just explaining and showing people what you are doing, but unfortunately (or fortunately for you) it is also giving you and your name commercial exsposure.
Unfortunately this causes us problems with existing Authorised Advertiser as they see it (and perhaps quite rightly) an advantage that they have to pay for and in that actually wonder why they are supporting us in the first place. Needless to say without the support of these advertisers we would not exist and in turn we have to protect the package that they receive.
I assume that you may not be looking to pay massive advertising rates and possibly have never really looked at doing this in any case, but may I suggest the following to ensure all is above board:
We have 3 options available for the Projects Forum as regards to being recognised as an Authorised Advertiser...
Level 1 is £225+vat per month (and this is as the other high level forum sponsors)
Level 2 is £50+vat per month (this is the same as the Little Knocks sponsorship shown in D&TP)
Level 3 is £20+vat per month (this is basically just your company name and web address included in a sticky placed at the top of the forum)
Level 3 would suffice and at least give you an Authorised Advertisers tag, which would enable commercial posts to be made. Ok... we are not going to get huge income from you on it, but at least everything is above board.
Please let me know what you wish to do.
Many thanks,
Shaun.
You may remember that a few weeks ago I pm'd you concerning your profile. Can you please do me a huge favour and remove the commercial web address you have in it. Unfortunately we only allow this for Authorised Advertisers, which brings me on to something else
I notice you have started a Project Thread, which in itself is excellent (and a good read), but you may understand that this is some what selling you, your name and giving you commercial exposure within the community.
I appreciate that this was not your intention and you are just explaining and showing people what you are doing, but unfortunately (or fortunately for you) it is also giving you and your name commercial exsposure.
Unfortunately this causes us problems with existing Authorised Advertiser as they see it (and perhaps quite rightly) an advantage that they have to pay for and in that actually wonder why they are supporting us in the first place. Needless to say without the support of these advertisers we would not exist and in turn we have to protect the package that they receive.
I assume that you may not be looking to pay massive advertising rates and possibly have never really looked at doing this in any case, but may I suggest the following to ensure all is above board:
We have 3 options available for the Projects Forum as regards to being recognised as an Authorised Advertiser...
Level 1 is £225+vat per month (and this is as the other high level forum sponsors)
Level 2 is £50+vat per month (this is the same as the Little Knocks sponsorship shown in D&TP)
Level 3 is £20+vat per month (this is basically just your company name and web address included in a sticky placed at the top of the forum)
Level 3 would suffice and at least give you an Authorised Advertisers tag, which would enable commercial posts to be made. Ok... we are not going to get huge income from you on it, but at least everything is above board.
Please let me know what you wish to do.
Many thanks,
Shaun.
28 April 2005, 12:15 AM
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Andy's post is untrue. As dissapointing as that may be.
Shaun did not, has not, and would not, ask andy to stop this thread.
His only request was for andy to remove his blatant commercial advertising in his profile (this was the second request - the first one being ignored).
In addition, Andy has not "declined" to advertise, as he hasn't even had the decency to reply to Shaun's PM.
For everyone's interest. The advertising deal on offer was for 20 whole pounds a month. And to make it clear once more, this was simply an offer, and had no bearing on whether he continued this thread or not.
If he decides not to post on this thread anymore it is entirely his own decision, unless of course, his posts become more commercial orientated.
Regards
Simon
Andy's post is untrue. As dissapointing as that may be.
Shaun did not, has not, and would not, ask andy to stop this thread.
His only request was for andy to remove his blatant commercial advertising in his profile (this was the second request - the first one being ignored).
In addition, Andy has not "declined" to advertise, as he hasn't even had the decency to reply to Shaun's PM.
For everyone's interest. The advertising deal on offer was for 20 whole pounds a month. And to make it clear once more, this was simply an offer, and had no bearing on whether he continued this thread or not.
If he decides not to post on this thread anymore it is entirely his own decision, unless of course, his posts become more commercial orientated.
Regards
Simon
28 April 2005, 12:27 AM
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So basically anyone who doesnt pay to SdB to advertise on SN should not be allowed to post any useful information, or give assistance to anyone at all in case they may in some way profit from it ??
Not it affects me in any way, but is it any wonder I went from a regular here, to probably having logged onto and posted less than 15-20 times in the last 2 years.
Not it affects me in any way, but is it any wonder I went from a regular here, to probably having logged onto and posted less than 15-20 times in the last 2 years.
28 April 2005, 12:30 AM
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Andy
Apologies, and thank you
I wish we'd had a discussion about this prior to you posting.
But... the easy way to settle all this is to be completely clear about it now.
Firstly. Andy, can you please remove your commercial content from your profile.
Secondly. There is absolutely no problem whatsoever with this particular thread. This is through a number of factors including, when it was started, how it has been conducted and the fact that it is a one-off and of interest to the community.
We do also recognise that you are gaining business out of this thread, and this fact sometimes causes us problems with companies who are paying for advertising and don't like to see others getting it for free, and other companies who don't pay for advertising but wonder why they are stopped from posting.
As you are openly commercially interested in this community, I wonder whether you would like to consider advertising with us in order to put some commercial benefit back in return for that which you will / do gain.
You will then be allowed to do things like adding your phone number to your profile in an "above board" way, without it being seen by many as sneaky and a blatant bending of the rules.
If so, we can do a very low priced deal for you so that it proves that there is not a motivation of greed, purely in order to show "fair's fair" and so that nobody has anything to complain about.
How does 20 quid a month grab you?
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to be clear.
This thread is fine. Please don't post commercially in it.
Please remove your commercial content from your profile.
If you feel that there is somethign in this that you don't agree with, please feel free to contact us, as you may have misunderstood it.
Regards
Simon
Apologies, and thank you
I wish we'd had a discussion about this prior to you posting.
But... the easy way to settle all this is to be completely clear about it now.
Firstly. Andy, can you please remove your commercial content from your profile.
Secondly. There is absolutely no problem whatsoever with this particular thread. This is through a number of factors including, when it was started, how it has been conducted and the fact that it is a one-off and of interest to the community.
We do also recognise that you are gaining business out of this thread, and this fact sometimes causes us problems with companies who are paying for advertising and don't like to see others getting it for free, and other companies who don't pay for advertising but wonder why they are stopped from posting.
As you are openly commercially interested in this community, I wonder whether you would like to consider advertising with us in order to put some commercial benefit back in return for that which you will / do gain.
You will then be allowed to do things like adding your phone number to your profile in an "above board" way, without it being seen by many as sneaky and a blatant bending of the rules.
If so, we can do a very low priced deal for you so that it proves that there is not a motivation of greed, purely in order to show "fair's fair" and so that nobody has anything to complain about.
How does 20 quid a month grab you?
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to be clear.
This thread is fine. Please don't post commercially in it.
Please remove your commercial content from your profile.
If you feel that there is somethign in this that you don't agree with, please feel free to contact us, as you may have misunderstood it.
Regards
Simon
28 April 2005, 12:51 AM
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Simon,
The £20.00 per month option seems to be very reasonable, to become an "Authorised Advertiser". Please can you email me with the details, as I'd like to go ahead with this.
Mark/Lateral.
The £20.00 per month option seems to be very reasonable, to become an "Authorised Advertiser". Please can you email me with the details, as I'd like to go ahead with this.
Mark/Lateral.