micared

Thanks for your concern......no. You?

micared

Hi Pete, ignore list still bust then? Turn it back on again, there's a good lad. Thought I was so full of hatred that you couldn't bear to look at my posts. I'm supposed to be the obsessed one, remember?

Bubba po

No, I'm not superstitious at all. But neither am I on the defensive about using procedures that may or may not have any benefit. The onus is upon you to prove that they are needed, not the other way around. Unless you wish to invoke "each to their own".

pslewis

Subaru state that the **** Procedures are NOT needed ......

Seems to me cut and dried - I don't mind the easily led doing it the **** way if they so desire .............. it's when they try to tell the rest of us 'sensible' ones that our engines are in danger of exploding if we don't do it 'their' way!

Pete

micared

The onus isn't on me to provide anyone with anything.....haven't noticed anyone offering to pay me to give any definitive answers, and where does defensive come into it? Voiced an opinion, same as you, don't see what your problem is with that. With reference to the oil change, I agree that they may not make a positive difference, never disputed that, however they certainly don't make a negative one, and for the difference in time it takes, I can't see why you wouldn't do it.
Sorry if you've got me wrong, I'm not obnoxious to everyone, just a select few. You're not intended to be one of them, and I certainly have no problem with being asked why I do something the way I do it. And 'each to his own' is the bottom line, regardless of whether or not it's a cop out statement.

pslewis

Seek medical help, please ..... you are without doubt a complete and utter basket case!!

Pete

Bubba po

Ok, I'm certainly not wishing to get into a feud about changing the oil on a flippin' car, and if you wish to do it that way, there isn't a person on earth that has the right to stop you. But surely you see what's being got at here; it's the mystification of a simple procedure brought about by god knows who, for god knows what purpose. the way you change the oil has no bearing on whether your engine is going to blow up or not - I'm convinced of that. There are far more obvious procedures to adopt if you wish your car to last.

Modifying your car then screwing the knackers off it kills engines, NOT failing to remove crank sensors, plugs, etc. ad nausaeam at the oil change. I'm advocating a sense of proportion here.... Doing things just because they MAY be of benefit is a sheer waste of time, and people who do this kind of thing chronically are sometimes diagnosed with Obsessive-Compulsive disorder.


This has been a flippant post in keeping with the desire to have a sense of humour about life.

pslewis

Oh, dear, Micared will come back with some venom now!!! You will be on his hate list!

Of course its only those with a Compulsive Disorder of the mind that do the **** Oil Change ................. its part of the condition that they can't see anything wrong with it either! So lets go easy on them they are sick ..........

Pete

Bubba po

Kinell... I don't want to be on anyone's hate list. I don't EVEN know where the sump plug is on my car, let alone where I might buy a sump plug gasket and how much one costs.

When I start my car in the morning, the oil has been draining down from the moving parts of my car's engine for about twelve hours. I'm sure that there is far less oil adhering to those moving parts when I start the car then, than when the oil has been draining down for half an hour at the oil change.

My nephew does my servicing; he creates group N rally cars from spec Cs and hires them out to Rally teams. He's never heard of the stupid oil-change procedure that everyone drivels on about. I asked him if he goes on Scoobynet and he'd never heard of it.

micared

Bubba, I don't hate anyone, not even the resident eminent engineer. It's something he's dreamed up to make himself think he's important to someone. I'm so exciting to him that he took me off his ignore list about 2 days after having one of his hissy fits, followed by a little tantrum. Bless!
Can't understand why you take issue with me specifically over this, I didn't initiate the idea, all I've done is express my opinion, same as you every time you post on the subject. The only thing I do differently to you during an oil change is disconnect the crank sensor ( takes all of about, oooh, 5 seconds on a bad day ) spin the engine for 30 seconds, crank sensor back on ,job done. Accept you think it's unnecessary, but what I do doesn't affect you, unless you choose to let it. My car, that I paid for and own, my decision, same as yourself. Plus, it makes me feel all technical like.

Bubba po

Mate, I'm not taking issue with you specifically or personally. It's just that you've been a prominent contributor to this thread and you do at least one of the strange procedures. In every enterprise or walk of life where success is absolutely essential, all sorts of superstitious procedures grow up... boxers lace their gloves and boots up in particular sequences, all sorts of lucky charms are kept to ensure success.....

You are lubricating the moving parts of a machine, in the end.

micared

Something wrong with your quote button again Pete....I'd get an engineer or scientist to have a look. Think you own the franchise on being a basket case, what with you trying to pass opinion or comment on every thread on the forum, whether it's a subject you have knowledge on or not. Perhaps you have sociopathic tendancies? Best take your own advice and get some help. Keep on trying to convince yourself you're normal, it'll be a lifetimes work.

God, the hatreds just flooding out of every pore now. Really chuffed about not being on your ignore list any more, thanks for that, really cheered me up. Might even have put a smiley in if you hadn't already used them all up. Might hang around to see if the ignore list thing takes your fancy again, might not.....didn't last long that, did it? Go on, tell me I need help again, can't decide what to do now can you, "ignore him, tell him to get help, ignore him, tell him" etc, etc.

I'll get bored with this Pete, but not before I've enjoyed watching you struggle to think of something worthwhile to say. Really don't hate you, you're too stupid to waste such a valuable emotion on ( save that for car thieves ). Suspect you're getting to the point where you're beginning to hate me though. I'll live. And laugh, as I have done every time you post.
Found a spare smiley!

micared

I understand that you think it's strange, but that doesn't necessarily make it wrong. Changing the oil isn't the same as starting from cold, the one significant difference is that the oil pick up pipe is drained when you change the oil. Not so, starting from cold. As I understand it, removing the sensor and cranking refills the pick up pipe before you go on to start the engine, thus providing pressure sooner. As I said before, you may take issue with that, but there's logic in it, it harms no-one else by doing it, and it's my decision. There are people on here who say that they pre-fill the filter even though Subaru say it isn't necessary. Why do that if they've been told it isn't required? And yet these same people criticise me for my approach. Until someone can show me that what I do is actually risking damage ( and that isn't gonna happen ) I'll be doing it how I want it done. If people are influenced by this, that's up to them, no-one's being forced to do anything they don't want.

dpb

..THREAD CLOSED.

micared

Good.

IanW

I agree.