Pete,

As I posted above, I also have the choice.

But in a true emergency it's the NHS not PMI that will save your life.

No party should be considering moving away from the NHS.

Cheers
Lee

 

The only people who have a choice are those with £££££. Not a very socialist choice from Labour then, is it? My old gran would be dead now it if wasnt for family, end of.

 

Thats the Tory way!

Pete

 

That's right. A generation that have only known 'boom'. When the big 'bust' comes it will dwarf anything that has ever happened previously. They'll soon change their tune then.

 

Oh, I see, everythings been BOOMING under Labour has it??

Blooming, Booming and Wealth creating!!

Pete

 

No. As you point out yourself it's not wealth creation it is simply borrowing and spending. Sooner or later the bill has to be settled, as well you know. Even you realise it is unsustainable and here's the proof:

http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=407578

 

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UK personal debt broke through the £1 trillion (£1,000,000,000,000) barrier in July 2004 and is likely to break through the £1.1 trillion barrier in the middle of 2005]

vote labour we've never had it so good

 

I don't know - maybe they'll say something something similar to what they said when they graduated into the Tory-produced recession of the early 90's.

If you're so confident of your "Great Realignment", then there are plenty of financial instruments which for, say, a stake of your house/car now would turn you into a millionaire many many times over should your "prophecy" come to pass.

But somehow I doubt you have the courage of your own convictions. Much easier to just carry your personal dark cloud around this forum and blame New Labour for everything down to stubbing your toe when you got up this morning.

Gary.

 

If you're so confident of your "Great Realignment", then there are plenty of financial instruments which for, say, a stake of your house/car now would turn you into a millionaire many many times over should your "prophecy" come to pass.

Indeed. Though it's not 'should' but 'when'. At the same time you and your graduate mates will be downsizing as the consequences of their profligate lifestyle comes home to roost.

Enjoy.

 

I must visit cuddly wobbly jelly land sometime, seems they have a wonderful health service!

A GP appointment within an hour??? Seen to in A+E within 5 minutes??? You must have kissed the blarny stone and no mistake!

 

And what profligate lifestyle would that be? You know what they say about people who make assumption. The majority of us carry zero short term debt, have healthy levels of liquid cash and investments, and either own our property outright or have small (and decreasing) mortgages in comparison to both income and property value. Yet - and this is the point - none of this has been achieved via inherited wealth, help from parents or wealth from capital gains, but from starting in jobs on 10-15k in the early 90's, working hard and taking advantage of the career opportunities made available by a *strong economy* in the past 10 years.

I get to meet a lot of people from all over Europe and the rest of the world via family, friends and work, and believe me compared to most other countries we have things pretty good here. But please, don't let the fact that people have actually prospered in the UK during the past 10 years alter your blinkered vision of the whole country being fvcked. I guess all countries have their share of people with a massive chip on their shoulder and for which the glass is always half-empty.

And sadly I don't think the financial markets share your view of a cataclysm hitting the UK economy in the next couple of years. But Mr Oracle, if you know it's a case of "when", then go ahead and make a fortune out of it. As I said there are plenty of highly leveraged investments you can make from the comfort of your armchair nowadays. There are indexes on house prices you can spread bet on too.

There are plenty of cheap (one-way) flights out nowadays if things are really as bad here as the tedious claptrap you continually spout. And you can live and work anywhere in the EU that takes your fancy...or possibly even further afield if you make enough points to satisfy immigration rules for places such as Canada. But that's assuming you're actually skilled at anything other than talking down the country you live in and blaming all your woes on the government.

Get a life.

Gary.

 

Yes, and with the GP appointments not once but regularly. A pregnant wife, a 20 month old toddler, and all manner of germs brought home from nursery has meant we've used the GP more in the past 2 years than we have in the previous 20.

I'm not saying the entire health service is wonderful. But good service deserves praise, and helps to give a more balanced view of things as most people are inclined only to post negative experiences.

Gary.

 

Is private health care a bad thing?

I came across an interesting example lately. I always knew the survival rate of lung cancer was very low - horrible disease. In the UK the survival rate is around 5%.

In the US the survival rate is near 20%.

A friend-of-a-friend recently tried to get on to the waiting list for an operation, but was told by the hospital that they couldn't put him on the waiting list, because if they did their hospital would go down in the hospital performance tables, and could he call back next week to see if it was possible then.

I'm not convinced the Tories would turn healthcare around, but at least they wouldn't pi$$ our money up against the wall achieving nothing.

 

You write a post that big, then tell me I have a chip on my shoulder...

ppfff... get a life.... you sound a little insecure about your own position to me...

"don't let the fact that people have actually prospered in the UK during the past 10 years alter your blinkered vision of the whole country being fvcked"

As I believe I have said too often.. 'Credit' vs. 'Prosperity’ are the same side of a very different coin.

Emmigration *is* an option should I choose to use it. For now I'll hold on for the 'realignment'. It should be fun.

 

That isn't just "good" service, that is exceptional service. Your statistics alone could offset the national average by hours.... especially considering the self induced, reproductivly prolific nature of your "ailments"!

Giving praise where praise is due is admirable nonetheless, but let it not skew the results too favourably, because I think you will find yourself somewhat of a statistical anomaly amongst most NHS customers.

Here's a question though... you are covered by PMI, why not use it and relieve the load for the patients not currently enjoying quite the same response times?

 

Good point. Seems the “I’m alright jack” “you’ve never had it so good” attitude of the upwardly mobile New Brits as they barge their way to the front of the NHS queue is in sharp contrast to the realities of the 67,000 more vulnerable members of society who constantly have their treatments cancelled. I suppose they should be told to ‘get a life’ too.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4314083.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4311503.stm

 

The NHS is carrying out 1/4 million MORE operations than they did under the last government .......................

A REAL improvement (of course that increase in service will also have an increased waiting list!)

Your whole argument against Labour is falling apart UB, it will be in tatters once the Labour Election Team get on the job!!

Har Har Har

Pete

 

I'd be very interested in where GCollier lives.

I wonder if they have dentists (you know, you other northeners, those people who used to look after your oral health, before Maggie ran 'em all out), too?

Alcazar

 

There are lies, damned lies, statistics, New Labour Spin and New Labour statistics.

Alcazar

 

Yeah, probably because they have to treat 1/4 million more illegal immigrants since NL decided to make the UK an open house.....

 

Don't forget the Health Tourists as well

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3356255.stm

 

Ah yes, as I remember the Tories saying that a few years ago when Labour were going to close all the private hospitals as it was unfair to the scum with no money as they couldnt afford private healthcare.

Chip

 

I see the health minister has snubbed the poor woman who had her op cancelled 7 times by not bothering to even turn up to meet her!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...ixnewstop.html

More disgusting Labour arrogance.

 

Well ajm, thats the sort of thing we can expect from such self important people as NL government ministers, They will always gravitate to where they think the votes are of course.

I wonder if PSL can explain why it is going to take at least 3 years to significantly reduce the occurrances of MRSA and similar nasty diseases. Surely the hospitals could be cleaned up in very short order which would make a very big difference in that respect. Only takes the hired help to be told in no uncertain terms that it about time they stopped cutting corners to increase their profits and to do the job properly-or else!

Could he also explain why the Labour election team is being blamed for the serious ****-ups they have already made by the Labour rank and file. Some team so far!

I suppose he will break for it and run away again now

Les