Adam M

optimax plus a whole bottle of NF in every tank. Isn't that at least 102 ron?

scoobynutta555

Youve just justified the fact what I said for *AN AVERAGE DRIVER*. Had this with you time and time again on here. Ive actually owned both cars for some period of time and Im an average driver, something on both parts you cannot claim. The typeR is perfect as a weekend car, but throw it at a wet roundabout in an average drivers hands, yes Scoobynet drivers included, and youll have a brown trousers moment if theyre used to the normal Impreza set up. Im not even going to go into the DCCD-A side of things as its irrelevant between the P1 and typeR debate.


I find it amusing that youre not concerned with MPG given the present high price of Optimax and the inconvienience of stopping the car more at petrol stations. After all arent Evos derided for their limited range on a tank. Obviously if MPG is the overriding concern then buy a diesel over a Impreza, was just stating a fact from owning both cars.

My brand new P1 didnt come with pirellis, Goodyear F1 eagles which I specifically asked for. I was on about second hand value of p1s compared to used typeRs. And the fact remains new typeRs came with tiny wheels. And I got £2.5k off the screen price when i bought the P1. How much were stitypeRs brand new? Not a great deal less I'd imagine. I recall at the time they were available brand new I saw list prices of around £26-£27k then extra for alarms immobilisers etc etc. A lot of money for a car with no warranty.

Tell that to the hundreds of people who have cared for their impreza be it typeR or P1 and have had to have a new engine. I was saying that at least with a P1 with warranty youll have to shell out nothing for a new engine, unlike some poor bloke with some crap insurance backed warranty, or no warranty at all. Your thousands saved on a decent set of wheels wont look so appealing when youre landed with a 5k+ invoice.

johnfelstead

I dont believe it takes Optimax to 102RON, it raises RON by 2.8 acording to NF so would be around 100.8RON on average, 101.2RON max .

You spent time on mapping for normal 97RON fuel, thats one of the reasons you went Pectel so you can run more than one map. In case you forget its Calibration map #2 you setup for 97RON.

johnfelstead

Not if you set the car properly, when the TypeR/RA came out there was very little info/misinformation on how to use the DCCD, everyone thought you had to drive with the diff fully open on the road which was wrong, there is plenty of info now, i made sure of it and went to the effort to get the info translated from Japanese rather than not use the cars potential or follow the original missinformation you most likely followed when you owned the TypeR. It takes very little time to understand what settings to use, you still need to drive with sensible inputs in either car on a wet roundabout, i could set the TypeR to understeer even worse than a P1 if i wanted to, you have far higher traction levels in a TypeRA than a P1 if you set the diff correctly, it's not rocket science.



Who says i am not concerned with MPG? I am, thats one of the reasons why i dont drive an Impreza right now. When i dont care about MPG again, i'll buy another Impreza. Hence why i said if it bothers you why drive a Subaru. I could get around 250 Miles from 50 litres in my TypeRA, it would do more before i lowered 5th gear as mine had the Limited 5th gear ratio, hence why i said that was an option for people who do plenty of long distance cruising.


Very happy for you, so you are one of a handful who didnt have the crappy Pirelli's, good for you. But i wasnt talking about you, i was talking about the vast majority of P1's which came with apauling tyres. I wasnt aware 16" was Tiny, maybe i go back too far and remember when 10" was common. My STi5 TypeRA Limited cost just over £28K new and came with a 3 year waranty from Park Lane, it didnt have any waranty work done and was driven by a company director as his daily driver for 3 years until i bought it. He didnt have a clue what the car was but managed not to die during those 3 years, he was very much an AVERAGE DRIVER and didnt have the info available to him about how to use the DCCD which i helped get into public domain.


I said it has the same likelyhood to fail in both cars, most people dont have problems, some do. The waranty is all part of the buying choice process we all make, people still happily buy JDM, Spec C's and Type25's with their so called crap insurance backed waranties.

Hepy

I can't believe that after all these years we are still going on about Type R's and P1's. Who really cares. The Type R is better than the P1. And that's the final word on the subject.
I have a P1 btw.
Wish I'd bought a type r

Fat Boy

Millie Tant was a ferocious feminist "wimmin's rights" activist in the Viz comic some year's ago, and is commonly used on here when describing how unreasonable a wife's desire for something more sensible for the family than a two door raucous jap car can be . Think of it as another version of "she who must be obeyed" and you'll have it - anyway your new other half will soon introduce you to the concept....

Name is original one, but I lurk a lot more than I post, and I lurked for around a year before I posted anything at all. In fact, I only found out about SN and 22B (where I don't post at all but lurk regularly) by going on trackdays with various companies and sidc , however, I have shared such seminal moments such as sitting at the same table as Cem and yourself (and other halfs) at Bedford for lunch on the day of your "famous" moment as immortalised in "Blowdogartz", so I go back some way, I suppose.

I've had several chats over the years with people like Moray, Pat H, Colin Minton, Phil at Barratts, etc re the dccd but still haven't got round to it - two kids under the age of 18 mths had something to do with it..

Adam M

ok, fat boy, I trust your credentials, you may continue to converse!

was wondering if you might have been dr. evil posting under another name as alex's other half is called millie. anyhoo, my mistake.

John,

NF claim that 1ml per litre gives a 2 ron increase. You telling me that 5 times the concentration (a bottle per tank which I always use) gives only 0.8 more? Not convinced.

especially as their original literature said 5 ron points at 5ml concentration., which does allow for some degree of dimishing returns.

yes I do know about my cal 2 setting, but I use the same fuel with both set ups, ie. optimax and 250mls of NF. Cal 1 is set up to be closer to the edge and releases 550bhp. Cal 2 on the same fuel releases 500bhp. I use cal 2 all the time, not to save me money on cheaper fuel but to give me a much bigger buffer zone against engine death by det.

Hope this makes sense to you, though I doubt you agree with my economics!

Keep up the good dccd explanations, nice to have them explained by someone who really made full use of the set up.

CustomScoobyIOM

If you don't have catalytic convertors in the car then the octane booster is alot more effective IIRC.

Jon.

Adam M

catalytic converters? wtf????

highlander68k

I've tried it, tested it, spoke to independent research scientists, and conclude it's a load of rubbish!

Further to that, would anyone actually believe that in 1941 would Russian scientists be freely handing out technology to the British and vice-versa?

Fat Boy

[QUOTE=Adam M]ok, fat boy, I trust your credentials, you may continue to converse!

was wondering if you might have been dr. evil posting under another name as alex's other half is called millie. anyhoo, my mistake.

QUOTE]

Mr M - simply majestic of you, old boy , but Dr Evil.....sheesh

scoobynutta555

I know the correct settings to use for the typeR, as you say it isnt rocket science. I also know it's much more difficult for the AVERAGE driver (get the hint, from the original post Ive been on about average driving) to get the most out of the DCCD diff with the 64% rear 34% front splits. It was also made quite plain to me from my sti manual £25 in ENGLISH which I purchased over 4 years ago. It is much easier for AVERAGE drivers to be able to drive quicker in a P1 than an stitypeR. I for one wasnt keen on the handling aspect for the use I wanted out of the car, hence why I chose to p/x it for a P1. Not everybody spends a good deal of time on a track to safely master the intracies of typeR handling and control.




Ive managed once to get 352.3 miles from a P1 tank. MPG does bother me. i have just bought a diesel, and the P1 will be up for sale, not because I cannot afford to run it, just fed up of paying out for it. Moving on from a factor where I said the P1 delivers more MPG than a typeR, not a point in my buying the P1, just a happy finding.


Yes 16" is tiny The price paid for the typeR new is very close to what I paid new for my P1.

"buy a set with the thousands £ you save on the initial purchase price"
Are you on about the saving in buying a used typeR in comparison to the new list price, or a comparison between a used typeR and a P1, the glib comment about P1 tyres at the end muddles your point.

No doubt he didnt die in the car, but, Ill bet he would have got from A-B quicker in a P1 unless he grabbed some track time or tuition, either that or he had some very near misses.

I know you said failure rates are similar on both cars, so did I. Difference being 100% of all P1s came with warranty new, not like a small % of imports. I know of no high engine failure rates on new shape Imprezas, many people who buy JDM now probably have the same view, hence why they are happy to pay out sans warranty. A lot of classic shape owners may have been happy til the engine blew though. And so called crap insurance backed warrienties, know many successful claims to them for full engine rebuilds? They are crap, Ive had the misfortune in having one.

No doubt a typeR is a quicker car than a P1 in experienced hands, whos desputing that, Im not.

David Lock

Since it was the British helping out the Russians by providing Hurricane aircraft which couldn't run well on poor quality Russian fuel then yes technology would be shared It was this technology that was brought back and developed in the West by the late Henry Broquet.

http://www.broquet.co.uk/history.htm

DL

highlander68k

You're quite right in what you say and I take back what I said.

However, I've used a product called Fuel Cat - supposedly based on Broquets technology, done repeated 'controlled' tests and firmly believe that that product is a waste of money.

Tchort

thats an easy fix, sell the fooooker and get a type r

David Lock

Thanks for that. The product does work and I would be interested in hearing abour your tests (genuinely). If you wish mail me on david@broquet.co.uk with comments. I don't want a great long do they or don't they thread but I am happy to discuss specific tests and see what may have happened (or not happened ). David

Hepy

Nobody wants them.

robby1

so why is it cheaper to buy if its better

Daz34

Is that supposed to be a valid argument?

robby1

you mean nobody wants yours

robby1

not arguring ,just making a valid point

Daz34

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If that's a valid point do you wanna buy a nice Clio 172? Yours for only 30k so it is obviously a better car

Mic

You're gonna have to come up with some better info other than price to get your view across as Daz34 has just pointed out that price doesn't prove anything at all.

terryb

As I've said before and I'll say again... A Type R is for peasants that can't afford a P1.

And if there are any suitable loaded CHAVs out there then you could always buy a Type R and get a burberry retrim and paint job for the same price as a P1. That way everyone's a winner..

David Lock

Just for the record I have checked this out and above quote is wholly misleading.

In fact Highlander HAS NOT TESTED Broquet at all. He has tested another (copy) product not associated with Broquet. Furthermore I understand the testing was on an in-line catalyst which we, at Broquet, would not normally recommend for Imprezas and not on the in-tank version as used in P1s for example.

I am not naming the product in question (although I do think it offers some validity) as I am not going to be associated with libellous comments chucked around on this board. DL

S.B.

Don't P1 owners get worked up if someone says their car is not the best

Daz34

Are you an authorised advertiser David?

David Lock

No advertising - just setting the record straight

Daz34

Adam M

the P1 is without question the BEST















































example of people not doing enough research and being taken in by motoring adverising.

On a serious note, you can't knock scoobynutta's reasoning. Fact is he is happier to let the natural set up of the car do the work and not want to rely on his own ability to control the DCCD to improve the cars handling on the fly. I think that is a perfectly valid argument and many would agree.

As for engine failures, I don't think the new ones are suffering big end failures due to the cranks now being crossdrilled giving each big end an oil feed from two main bearings.