tbh, it almost becomes an addiction - wanting to look bigger, better, leaner.. wanting to be stronger. it's a little like saying to someone who has lots of money "why would you want any more?". fact is, its human nature - we always want more. im sure there must be something in life that you can relate to this with - whether it's wanting more money, bigger house, better car, even though you may have a good one already.

as for it not doing me any good - everything's relative. i never drink, smoke or eat bad food, and i get full blood levels including full lipid profiles every 3 months, which always come back normal. im aware of the risk and do what i can to minimize them.. but at the end of the day, i'm willing to take the risk. also be aware that i do plenty of research about what im doing, and have various contacts in medical fields.

i find it preferable to have long-term sports goals and take risks in achieving them than to take risks for something thats purely short-time self-indulgent such as getting drunk or eating a big pie.

thats just me tho

 

Excellent source or Protein, particularly for us vegetarians

Bob

 

My Pieder sense was tingling...

 

I do weight training; I gave up smoking. I like a drink and I don't eat junk food often. There's just something a bit Frankensteinish and off-putting about using drugs to bulk up or strip fat.

 

Well I cant argue with that can I

Chip

 

no it isnt. firstly it has one of the lowest biological values of all protein sources. also it is lacking in the sulfur containing amino acid methionine which is important for protein synthesis and the immune system. it has shown in some recent studies to INCREASE bad cholesterol despite its reputation of lowering it. additionally it contains anti-nutrients which block absorption of some nutrients. all in all, soy protein is a very poor choice of protein, even for vegetarians.

for veggies i would recommend egg whites (assuming you're not vegan), and a mix of wholegrain rice and beans (such as haricot) - the mix of rice/beans form essential amino acids. there are far better choices than soy.

 

'alcohol has side effects including shaking, muscle cramping and worst of all liver failure.'

Er, yes if you are an alcoholic, my weekly intake doesnt induce those kind of symptoms.

 

you're consuming a liver toxic product. you've got no idea whether you're damaging your liver badly (you probably are over time).

 

wow some response , thanks a million guys

i dont do competition, u used to be very muscley naturally but over a couple of yrs i gave in doing excercising and too much work and family commitments, i couldnt at all, i used to be 11 and a half stones, well i reached 16 stones, i hated it so much but u couldnt tell i was 16 stones coz my body is still muscley but it was spread all over the fat was, specially the belly area, i tried and tried to shift it i couldnt, its very hard.

some people tell u about all u need is will power etc , its easy to chuck eating chocolates, let me tell u, its b-o-l-l-o-c-k-s. i didnt want to eat chocolates but trust me, u feel like crying coz u cant stop eating choccies and cakes, its so hard, its an addiction, my body shakes and i get very weak if i dont eat chocolates.

i used to eat the same when i was young but never ever put on weight, but now its so easy to put it on, i tried all diets but half way through i used to give in and start junk food again, specially chocolates, i have a very bad sweet tooth.


so last week i started taking the legal version not the banned version, the safer ephedrine hcl , i lost 1 stone in a week, thats bad, that means i lost muscle too , which i didnt want too loose, i wanted to loose fat only.

so i have been recommended to use clen, its supposed to be better and cut u up and also make the ephedrine work harder without loosing mucles.


pls my aim is to loose 4 stones in a month along with training too, is it possible

cheers

 

milo what's you body weight now, do you stay lean all the time or bulk up and cut,

 

Well you need to drink more then dont you

Chip

 

just over 130kg at around 6'3. i stay pretty lean (single digit bodyfat) all of the time now but do bulk and cut. i never let myself gain much fat tho - and when you're very lean most of your mass gains ARE muscle and not fat. i cant gain any mass or cut any fat without losing lean mass between cycles anymore - it just isnt possible. so i use pretty heavy 12 week cycles to gain mass or lose fat, and spend the 12 weeks in between just desperately trying to maintain and am usually successful. i am toying with the idea of staying on permanently next year. my diet is impeccable always, and trenbolone is my best friend

 

sorry but this just is an addication. once you get over the initial cravings, you'll be fine. however, many of my lifting friends have great physiques and allow their cravings either with one cheat day a week, or make up their own recipe protein flapjacks and cookies using better ingredients (such as organic cocoa powder and splenda).

i say just ask yourself before you're about to put some bad food in your mouth "which would i prefer, looking and feeling great permanently, or the 15 seconds of pleasure this food will bring?"


then choose a diet that allows you to eat some of this stuff if its so important to you. theres no point in taking on a diet you won't follow through with. diet but allow yourself 1 day per week where you can eat a certain amount of chocolate and a burger or whatever.


what was your diet during this time?

and yes, losing 14lbs in a week is probably 1-2lbs fat plus a bunch of water and muscle down the drain.


who recommended this? it sounds like your diet isnt up to scratch and this is what u should work on first.


not without losing a LOT of muscle too. you should aim to lose 1-2lbs a week. so your 4 stone of fat will take anything from 6-12 months to lose properly.

 

LOL i think its time for a pose down to decide mr scoobynet 2004

 

thanks milo u talk sense mate

i was 16 stones now im 15



i went from 10 bars of chocolates a day , a couple of crisps, soft drinks , cakes , cheese and onion pastries and chapatis to the following

one bar chocolate a day in the morn
tracker bar
breakfast bar
fruit
a sandwich or a roll, brown that is
maybe a space raiders crisp now and then
chapati's and curry at night

go training or a 15 min run on the cross trainer

then fruit at night before i go to sleep

3 ephedrine tabs a day along with caffiene tabs

and i cheated twice

i had a costa chocalismo yesterday and some thornton chocolates

and same today but without the chocalismo

cheers

 

by the way milo

im so desperate mate, im gonna take gaba as well and also e form to produce more human growth, so i will burn more fat all the time

will that be ok

cheers

 

yes, this needs quite a bit of work. you're not eating nearly enough clean food. its no wonder you've lost a lot of muscle. you're practically starving yourself of nutrients and aminos, and it wont be long before your body shuts down your metabolism.

at 15 stone you want around 2000-2500 calories/day depending on metabolism to lose weight safely and effectively. the majority of those calories should come from clean sources such as oats and wholegrain rice for carbs, chicken and other lean meats for protein, and essential fatty acids for fats. you want to spread your calories out throughout the day, over several (5-8) meals.. taking in very small meals regularly is the best thing you can do.

you definitely dont want to be eating calorie-dense foods late at night, especially not curry.

 

i think most would prefer a miss scoobynet 2004

 

i advise against it bro unless your GH levels are actually low.

it's all about your diet... trust me on this. clean it up and you'll be shocked at the results.

 

cheers bud will do

i will make a wee table up to see what i can eat and cannot, just that at work sometimes i cant be bothered eating home made meals, and just want a quick snack like chocolate or greggs

but ive calmed down alot

will be back in half an hr mate, need to give my lil girl a bath wife has a sore back

cheers
brb

 

nice cop out although not a bad idea

 

milo me bros, i tried thyroid tabs sea kelp etc for 2 months to no joy mate, chinese tea gave me the runners

 

'just over 130kg at around 6'3'

I bet you get picked on !

I dont know where you get the dedication, I trained solidly for 3 years, enjoyed and saw decent results it but kids came along and put paid to any kind of regine, kids are older now (so am I) and I do quite fancy getting back into it bu am worried that once I start I will be back to spending way too much time in the gym at the expense of other stuff, it becomes a craving where you are looking for the next opportunity and get ratty if you cant go, caused big rows with the missus, me leaving work at six, going to the gym and not getting home until 8, didnt see the kids so it had to stop.

Just going swimming at the moment, its amazing how even 3 times a week for half and hour you see and feel some benefit, think I will just step up the cardio and leave the weights.

 

for me its always been something ive done. im 26 now and have been training solidly and hard for well over 10 years. its always been my first priority in life and i love it.

i realize that this isnt reality for most people because of things like kids etc. but in your case, i would recommend not doing the gym at the expense of other stuff, but rather in addition. for instance, why not take your kids to the gym with you? try to get them into fitness too. the other alternative is to go to the gym when you wouldn't ordinarily be seeing your mrs/kids anyway, such as your lunch hour at work.

 

For the love of god, what are you talking about?

I lost 4 stones in SIX months and some people I hadn't seen for a while thought I had had some terrible disease. 2-4 lb a week should be the absolute maximum or your body will rebel. It will go into starvation protection mode. You'll have no energy, food cravings, you'll be depressed, it will be far more difficult to lose weight than by doing it sensibly and you will definitely lose muscle mass.

What is your hurry?

 

'for instance, why not take your kids to the gym with you'

Mate, that would be insne beyond belief, three lads aged 5,7 and 9 in the gym, I would give them ten minutes before a compound fracture or crush injury occured !

They are pretty fit my lads, no fat on them, lots of swimming, wrestling each other, walk to school, all have bikes etc, the eldest insists on doing chin ups from the loft hatch and even though he only does a few you can see he is getting some shape but at that age they need to do some growing before they go near a gym for any kind of resistance work, they all know I do/did weights and the eldest remembers me being a bit different shape wise and keeps asking when he can do it.

And as for 4 stones in a month, saw off a limb each week for four weeks, should do it.
Anyway, you want to maintain but shift it from lard to muscle weight, I know it doesnt transform from one into the other but when I train I get heavier.

Milo, dont you find the diet boring, I didnt do it to the level you do but I got p1ssed off with protein and having to think about it.

 

no, im fine with it personally. im eating 1kg of chicken a day, a couple of tins of tuna, a large steak, 2 dozen egg whites and several wholes, bucket loads of oats and wholegrain rice. its been that way for several years without cheating on the diet at all. and the only time i used to cheat was due to the misguided belief back then that it was good to spend 1 day a week binge eating, as it recovered leptin levels while dieting... which isnt correct.

i find that i dont have to think about it at all, but now i pay someone to make all of those meals 8 times a day for me which helps. before that i used to make everything up in batch the night before. it used to be much harder when i was in school, as i couldnt afford most of that stuff, so had to live off oats, barley, beans, rice and cheap tuna... eating that in class. but you do what you need to.

its kinda like groundhog day, which isnt ideal for everyone, but thats why most people don't bodybuild. many of my friends who follow bodybuilding still get great results and aren't as obsessive.. obviously they're compromizing, but are happy to do so. for example they may eat 6 meals a day, 5 of them clean and then 1 meal of whatever they like... and they may only train 3 times a week... and spend the weekend eating whatever they like. sure, to get ripped and huge takes unbelievable effort, but you can still look pretty damn phenominal and walk around 10-20kg heavier than most people, but with visible abs and get laid any time you want by any hottie, with moderate work on your diet.

depends what you want out of life

 

bubba po, my hurry is emotional reasons , its sad when i cant wear my fave tight tops , i used to wear them all the time when i had muscles and my jeans were 32 inch and now im 38 and also when i like a jumper or a t shirt a tight one, it dont fit , its not good, im missing out in a lot

i want to get back to 11 and a half stones asap, im so desperate im gonna start clen, ephedrine together and also gaba and e form too, to kick it in good and do some extra training

i want to loose weight before i pick up my evo on january, when i sent it to simons last yr i was only 13 and a half stones, since that time i put on alot of stones in just a yr, i opened another new shop a newsagent this time, and well my diet went out the window , chocolates, crisps, across the road we have a greggs and some snack attack shops and a chipie

 

milo post
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its been that way for several years without cheating on the diet at all. and the only time i used to cheat was due to the misguided belief back then that it was good to spend 1 day a week binge eating, as it recovered leptin levels while dieting... which isnt correct.

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i swear mate thats what i do, i thought it would have been ok to pig out for a day and next 6 days diet

 

bro, it probably took you ages to put the weight on.. don't expect to lose it in days or weeks. it takes months. 1-2lbs/week for fat loss.

taking clen and eph at the same time is dangerous by anyone's standards. i run crazy amounts of drugs, but wouldn't even consider running clen and eph at the same time. sure, you'll probably be able to get into your favorite top, but you'll be in a hospital with heart problems and a failed liver.

stick to a diet and lose the weight slowly and effectively. 1-2lbs/week might not sound too great, but it all adds up, and after a month you'll be half a stone of PURE fat lighter (and trust me, half a stone of fat less looks WAY better than 2 stone of muscle gone).