M3 321bhp vs MY99 PPP Decat
02 December 2004, 05:01 PM
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Power to weight (or more specifically, paw/weight) IS important if you like driving down roads with bends in them & to a lesser extent, traffic light grand prix's ...it becomes a pretty redundant figure if you're into top speed testing
02 December 2004, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by robby1
p1 12.2 0-100, 219 per tonne 
E46 M3 60 to 100 in 6.8 seconds
M3 Evo takes 6.9 seconds
P1 does it in 7.7 seconds.
There really isnt much between an M3 Evo and E46 once rolling
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02 December 2004, 05:37 PM
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Oh, and who would like a video of my P1 versus an E46 M3 round Silverstone video? I can't host it, but if someone else can, i'm happy to send them the Mpeg. Yes, it took me half a lap to catch him from a standing start, but it was in the twisties and he did have a bit of a start (TM)
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02 December 2004, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobby Peru
I'm guessing there is an age/affordability issue with the whole, anmd let's face it, constantly ongoing, Scoob v's M3 debate. When people get a bit older where they can afford an M3, maybe their point of view changes, as it is, they can afford a scoob, and so thay becomes the best thing on 4 wheels, unbeatable by anything!!
I nearly brought a 996 Turbo earlier this year, funny thing is the insurance would have been 200 a year cheaper than the scoob
02 December 2004, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Sub97
....and all BMW drivers are w*nkers. Unless you've come from an Impreza to a BMW, and then you're alright, because you've had an Impreza. Although people with E46 M3's apparently have to get used to slower straight line speed then a standard classic scoob....
Young, Dum and full of come i presume !!!!
02 December 2004, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by blockmonke@fsmail.net
At the end of the day this is a scoob forum so if u wanna slag off scoobys **** off to your m3 forums and do it
04 December 2004, 10:02 AM
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Erm, I guarantee that would have been down to the driver (poss new M3 driver unsure of RWD charcteristics).
I've had a modded P1 and these is no way it could have reeled an e46 M3 in so easily.
I've had a modded P1 and these is no way it could have reeled an e46 M3 in so easily.
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04 December 2004, 10:57 AM
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I don't see it as queue jumping really(and I hate that).I often park on the wrong side of the pump and stretch the hose over or reverse up to one when they're 2 or 3 pumps in a row and a car at the first pump is blocking them.If JJ had been coming from the opposite direction he wouldn't have been expected to wait.
04 December 2004, 10:59 AM
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Have to agree about the driver skill. My last car was a 310bhp STi Type R. The couple of times I had encounters with E46 M3's it was very close, nothing in it. Only on launch could I pull ahead of one.
Neither P1 or M3 seemed to be driving flat out?
Neither P1 or M3 seemed to be driving flat out?
04 December 2004, 01:13 PM
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Driver skill?? Flattering, but I don't think so.
It was my first lap of the day as I got there late so I started off slowly as you could see - i was just cruising on a trailing throttle through most of Becketts- but then as we came on to the beginning of the Hangar straight I thought why don't i have a go.
The M3 had been out on track quite a lot already (i was told it was one of the guys from easytrack - marcus? but don't know if that's true) so I don't think he was hanging around, well certainly not out of the pits anyway, although he did display impeccable etiquette by indicating early and pulling over after Vale.
Would still have an M3 as they're great cars, but their weight really tells against them under braking (especially if they're on the crap standard brakes) and cornering.
My p1 has a 2.5" decat exhaust and a tek 3 plus fuel pump, but that's it, no fancy induction etc. So it's not standard, agreed, but i would seriously doubt if it has more than 300bhp /300ft lb, so around 230 bhp per tonne.
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It was my first lap of the day as I got there late so I started off slowly as you could see - i was just cruising on a trailing throttle through most of Becketts- but then as we came on to the beginning of the Hangar straight I thought why don't i have a go.
The M3 had been out on track quite a lot already (i was told it was one of the guys from easytrack - marcus? but don't know if that's true) so I don't think he was hanging around, well certainly not out of the pits anyway, although he did display impeccable etiquette by indicating early and pulling over after Vale.
Would still have an M3 as they're great cars, but their weight really tells against them under braking (especially if they're on the crap standard brakes) and cornering.
My p1 has a 2.5" decat exhaust and a tek 3 plus fuel pump, but that's it, no fancy induction etc. So it's not standard, agreed, but i would seriously doubt if it has more than 300bhp /300ft lb, so around 230 bhp per tonne.
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04 December 2004, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by blockmonke@fsmail.net
At the end of the day this is a scoob forum so if u wanna slag off scoobys **** off to your m3 forums and do it
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My old MY00 PPP'd decat scoob came across an E46 M3 (SMG), i tried (note the tried) to keep up, he just left me for dead 
(thats a 262bhp scoob btw).
New car on the other hand has the opposite effect
1 E36 M3 Evo, just the look of sheer shock on his face as i reeled him in and then passed him, i dont think he could believe it
1 E46 M3 convertable, from a shell garage on the A14, he couldnt keep up and he was trying
1 E46 M3 on the A14 again, thought he was quick, just wasted him both in and though the gears
1 E46 yesterday, downed it a couple of gears as he thought he'd show up the wrx behind him
unfortunately its an STi and he got reeled in also
The only thing i found is that they all seemed to be a bit up themselves (BMW drivers i suppose), still to their minds they probably outpaced the scoob because you dont get scoobs that aint heavily modified that keep up with M3's (wrong!!) mine just has a panel filter
Tony
(thats a 262bhp scoob btw).New car on the other hand has the opposite effect
1 E36 M3 Evo, just the look of sheer shock on his face as i reeled him in and then passed him, i dont think he could believe it
1 E46 M3 convertable, from a shell garage on the A14, he couldnt keep up and he was trying
1 E46 M3 on the A14 again, thought he was quick, just wasted him both in and though the gears
1 E46 yesterday, downed it a couple of gears as he thought he'd show up the wrx behind him
unfortunately its an STi and he got reeled in also The only thing i found is that they all seemed to be a bit up themselves (BMW drivers i suppose), still to their minds they probably outpaced the scoob because you dont get scoobs that aint heavily modified that keep up with M3's (wrong!!
) mine just has a panel filter Tony
04 December 2004, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Fat Boy
Driver skill?? Flattering, but I don't think so.
It was my first lap of the day as I got there late so I started off slowly as you could see - i was just cruising on a trailing throttle through most of Becketts- but then as we came on to the beginning of the Hangar straight I thought why don't i have a go.
The M3 had been out on track quite a lot already (i was told it was one of the guys from easytrack - marcus? but don't know if that's true) so I don't think he was hanging around, well certainly not out of the pits anyway, although he did display impeccable etiquette by indicating early and pulling over after Vale.
Would still have an M3 as they're great cars, but their weight really tells against them under braking (especially if they're on the crap standard brakes) and cornering.
My p1 has a 2.5" decat exhaust and a tek 3 plus fuel pump, but that's it, no fancy induction etc. So it's not standard, agreed, but i would seriously doubt if it has more than 300bhp /300ft lb, so around 230 bhp per tonne.
FB
It was my first lap of the day as I got there late so I started off slowly as you could see - i was just cruising on a trailing throttle through most of Becketts- but then as we came on to the beginning of the Hangar straight I thought why don't i have a go.
The M3 had been out on track quite a lot already (i was told it was one of the guys from easytrack - marcus? but don't know if that's true) so I don't think he was hanging around, well certainly not out of the pits anyway, although he did display impeccable etiquette by indicating early and pulling over after Vale.
Would still have an M3 as they're great cars, but their weight really tells against them under braking (especially if they're on the crap standard brakes) and cornering.
My p1 has a 2.5" decat exhaust and a tek 3 plus fuel pump, but that's it, no fancy induction etc. So it's not standard, agreed, but i would seriously doubt if it has more than 300bhp /300ft lb, so around 230 bhp per tonne.
FB
04 December 2004, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
My old MY00 PPP'd decat scoob came across an E46 M3 (SMG), i tried (note the tried) to keep up, he just left me for dead (thats a 262bhp scoob btw).
New car on the other hand has the opposite effect
1 E36 M3 Evo, just the look of sheer shock on his face as i reeled him in and then passed him, i dont think he could believe it
1 E46 M3 convertable, from a shell garage on the A14, he couldnt keep up and he was trying
1 E46 M3 on the A14 again, thought he was quick, just wasted him both in and though the gears
1 E46 yesterday, downed it a couple of gears as he thought he'd show up the wrx behind him unfortunately its an STi and he got reeled in also
The only thing i found is that they all seemed to be a bit up themselves (BMW drivers i suppose), still to their minds they probably outpaced the scoob because you dont get scoobs that aint heavily modified that keep up with M3's (wrong!!) mine just has a panel filter
Tony
(thats a 262bhp scoob btw).New car on the other hand has the opposite effect
1 E36 M3 Evo, just the look of sheer shock on his face as i reeled him in and then passed him, i dont think he could believe it
1 E46 M3 convertable, from a shell garage on the A14, he couldnt keep up and he was trying
1 E46 M3 on the A14 again, thought he was quick, just wasted him both in and though the gears
1 E46 yesterday, downed it a couple of gears as he thought he'd show up the wrx behind him
unfortunately its an STi and he got reeled in also The only thing i found is that they all seemed to be a bit up themselves (BMW drivers i suppose), still to their minds they probably outpaced the scoob because you dont get scoobs that aint heavily modified that keep up with M3's (wrong!!
) mine just has a panel filter Tony
04 December 2004, 05:28 PM
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A Spec C
People seem to think its a WRX for some reason.....
http://www.daz5008.co.uk/images/Tony-Subaru.jpg
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People seem to think its a WRX for some reason.....
http://www.daz5008.co.uk/images/Tony-Subaru.jpg
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04 December 2004, 05:35 PM
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I see!
Not all BMW drivers are up themselves.
In the last 3 years I've owned 2 BM's (coupe and cab), a 310 bhp STi Type R and now a 996. So, am I stuck up, a chav or a w4nker?
Not all BMW drivers are up themselves.
In the last 3 years I've owned 2 BM's (coupe and cab), a 310 bhp STi Type R and now a 996. So, am I stuck up, a chav or a w4nker?
04 December 2004, 05:39 PM
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Well thats a hard one
Id go for a Porsche over BM anyday though and i dont find that Porsche drivers are stuck up (as they are normally doing 70 in the middle lane and not 3 inches off your rear bumper in a 318i lol!)
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Id go for a Porsche over BM anyday though
and i dont find that Porsche drivers are stuck up (as they are normally doing 70 in the middle lane and not 3 inches off your rear bumper in a 318i lol!)Tony
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Originally Posted by DazW
Power to weight (or more specifically, paw/weight) IS important if you like driving down roads with bends in them & to a lesser extent, traffic light grand prix's ...it becomes a pretty redundant figure if you're into top speed testing
A 200 hp car weighting 1000 kilos will get outperformed by a 400 hp car that weighs 2000 kilos in a straight line race, even though peak power to weight, and the power band relatively are the same.
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