best quote I've heard about the fox hunting debate;

It's 10% about animal welfare and 90% about class warfare.

 

PMSL @ REV - Superb!!

Seriously though, I can't help but think - Is fox hunting really the most IMPORTANT thing for our ultra professional, useful and effective MP's to devote time to?........NHS, Crime, etc anyone?

It's 10% about animal welfare and 90% about class warfare - Totally agree w that

 

Pete is the leading sponser of the green party and helps fund the wishy washy liberal democrats. Needs some B****, glad we dont need him in our time of need

 

Quite a useful diversion if you're trying to rush through some last minute, deeply unpopular pensions legislation that you don't want debated for too long. As if...

 

Yes it the Labour MP's still fighting the class war which they have already lost.

If they actuall want to represent the views of the people who voted for them then bring back hanging which does have the support of the Public.

Oh NO i forgot they arent they to represent us unless it suites them.

What next fishing or Boxing or Horse racing? all Sports with animals suffering.

 

This isn't about class, it is about people in the towns wanting to enforce their ideals on people in the country. Now, I appreciate that for many of you in the towns you imagine that everyone in the country lives in big houses and drives a Roller but the truth is far from that.

More and more we see the government and the left wing living the Stalinist ideal of oppressing the peasants, regardless of their social standing. Even Stalin never fully managed to force the peasants to toe the line, though he killed 26 million in Ukraine trying. Take a look at this picture for example, this is what Greenpeace and the Labour Government want to do to a small community which depends on tourism for much of it's income. But of course you can't see this spot from London so no one really cares:

http://www.lewiswind.com/es/PDFS/LVA%20Mon%2013.59a.pdf

This is a mock up picture, produced by the people who want to build the turbines and not including the 5 quarries and 100 miles of new road ripping across the bog. Lest you think I am showing the worst view the following is a similar picture taken right on the other side of the island, about 40 minutes drive from the one above. The view from almost anywhere else in the north of the island will be similar. Not in your back garden city environmentalists:

http://www.lewiswind.com/es/PDFS/LVA%20Mon%2013.26b.pdf

Have I lost the plot? What is this to do with fox hunting? Well, it is another example of nutter, city bound, environmentalists telling the people in the countryside, the very people who have preserved the countryside for about 10,000 years now, how they should live their lives.

So, not only should fox hunting not be banned but a new sport should be created where people from the countryside get to hunt nutter environmentalists with hounds. Sounds like an excellent form of pest control to me and you could probably even charge for admission.

 

I'm waiting for it to get banned.
Then I'll take part in any "illegal" hunt I can.
I can see it now, Answerphone messages, meetups on industrial estates, Hunts starting at midnight Saturday and going on till 4pm Sunday morning.
Websites like www.huntjuice.com starting up.
I think I've just found the way to spend my spare time in my thirties
astraboy.
P.S. And yes I'm serious, illegal hunts are the future, I'll see you there!

 

If you are being serious, you're a bigger **** than I thought you were.

 

Ask a chicken .................? She'd say pull it to pieces ..............

 

[puts aside pete's clear attempt at another wind up ]

LOL

Can it not, perhaps, just be about the fact that people, on the whole, find the nature of the chase and killing by dogs at man's command abhorrent in a supposedly civilised society?

And the fact that in forcing a ban on the back of that B.Liar may gain some additional support?

[/returns to Pete's wind up]

Christ Pete, have we not done this to death

 

It's not often you get the chance to congratulate politicians, but this seems an appropriate time to sing the praises of the anti-hunting MPs, who have stood firm depsite the nonsense, lies, abuse and threats of violence and intimidation from the pro-hunt morons. It must have been tough at times, and I applaud them all. A clear victory for democracry.

 

They are shooting deer in Richmond park today. Bambis being popped off Has to be done to control the numbers apparantely. This is acceptable as no one is deriving a primitive sick pleasure from the chase and kill.

Same values and levels of civilised behaviour should apply to all animals - particularly when the agressor wont even eat his catch...

If they want to kill them then they must eat them; simple!

D

 

Regardless of how we all feel about fox hunting, it is a pity to see such an unpleasant example of inverted snobbery, very much misplaced as well.

Les

 

When the ban comes in I'll continue to be out supporting the hunts all the way. Yet another group of people forced into criminality by New Labour. I am already a criminal for having 3pts on my license, so I may aswell get nicked for supporting a traditional English country pursuit while I'm at it.

By the time they have banned shooting and fishing and any other pastimes city folk don't like I guess I'll be banged up! Nice one Labour, cheers for that!

Incidentally, this "class war" is a one sided affair. The anti's see the hunts as upper class, but there are many hunts that are originally working class, so all this "jolly hockey sticks" and "hooray henry's" nonsense is completely misplaced.

 

Lets hope so.

 

Probably not, if she lived in a nice secure coop in an urban area

 

Is it not true that 20,000 odd hounds will be put down if hunting is banned?

Now as a nation of so called "Dog lovers" this would seem a bit weird.

So how do all the "Dog lovers" that are on this BBS feel about this?

Mmmmmmmm food for thought.

 

I'm glad fox hunting is being banned in one sense. Although I have no moral stance on people hunting what I have observed first hand is the bad attitude of certain hunters/supporters.
Why do they seem to assume they can enter onto other people's land in persuit of the hunt? This seems a common occurance. Add to this the way they drove, endangering the lives of other road users and harrassing the people of the village and I have no qualms in wanting to see them banned.
In short their attitude is what I have a problem with not the activity in itself.

Generally speaking I believe people should be left to do their own thing as long as it isn't antisocial. Unfortunately these people seem to think they are a cut above the rest of us and that tradition gives them the right to act as they please.

Not any more though, here's a toast to some of them going to prison for their "ideals".

 

This is going to come as a shock.... but I agree with you totally ajm Before I moved to Shropshire, I used to regularly hunt [it was a good way to keep my horses fit during the winter]. The misconception of all being 'hooray henrys' is total bollox!

 

This is just another example of our country being erroded away! I personally don't have particular issue with hunting. It is an industry (including fishing etc) that cost the government nothing to run, provides thousands of jobs, yet if they ban it thousands of jobs will be lost - are these people then supposed to live off government handouts?

President Blair has been quoted as saying "No 10 says Mr Blair would back a plan to allow licensed fox hunts but ban stag hunts and hare coursing."

Yet another tax issue all along! If it was a moral issue then he would except no less than a total ban!

This man is a power crazed egomaniac like no other before him! This government makes me laugh!

 

I'm happy to be proved wrong, but no-one actually pays for the fox hunting services right ? I mean it's all funded by those owning the horses, hounds etc etc

So they wouldn't actually lose any money if they didn't catch a fox ? In which case, why is it a problem ? They can all still go out and trump around the greenbelt in their daft outfits, tootling their horns and exercising their dogs and horses, just without the barbaric ripping of foxes to pieces.

Hiding behind the 'necessary' culling of foxes is bo11ocks, there's no revenue generated by the catching of the fox. Therefore, they should be allowed to continue owning the horses, and they dont have to put down 20,000 hounds etc, and go on their horsey adventures when ever they like. No-one loses out, no-one loses their jobs either ! Simple.

I do approve of the necessary culling, and marksmen on quad bikes I don't have a problem with. It's the way in which the hunts kill the foxes that is unacceptable, and I'm very happy with the ban.

Matt

 

We had to agree on something sometime I suppose.... put enough monkeys infront of enough keyboards etc...

 

Killing foxes with hounds is 100% effective - they are killed, simple! Using guns isn't a way of effectively killing them, as IMO more will end up being wounded and suffer a long painful death.

In answer to someone elses question, yes all the hounds will probably be destroyed, as they are not suitable to be kept as pets. So the Fox Hound will soon be an extinct species

 

How does this tie in with all people you've seen come on here and go, "I've been on a hunt, and I can tell you, the fox rarely gets caught!" ?

And how about the proven statistic that during foot and mouth, the fox population remained constant? Where are you getting this information about the need for foxes to be killed by the hunt?

So what happens to these hounds when they're of no use to the hunt, and they can't be re-housed? I wouldn't get too dewy-eyed about them. You'll find that they're destroyed anyway when they've outlived thier usefulness.

 

And you get these facts and figures from where exactly ?

Many a fox becomes injured during the chase and some of these then escape the hounds to go on to suffer badly or die later. I've found quite a few foxes with broken legs with dog bite marks on them a few days after the hunt goes through here. I tend to put them out of their misery if I can.

The dogs themselves also suffer broken legs, ripped bellies from barbed wire fences etc. etc.

Shooting a fox properly is instant. By properly I mean with a rifle and by someone who knows what they are doing. It is the farmer with his 12 bore at 60yards that only wounds foxes that are the problem.

Ian

 

I just wish the gov't spent more time and money on fighting car crime, burglaries and car jackings than banning small things such as fox hunting.

I'm not for or against it, I eat cows ffs, so why should a fox be any different.

 

We all do mate, but we all know who's dragging this out.

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If you've got any video footage of you tearing across a field on horseback with a pack of dogs in hot pursuit of a cow whilst blowing a horn, then post it up. Should be a laugh.

 

Foxes are not vermin. In fact they are a top level prdator that plays a major role in controlling vermin such as rats rabbits etc.

Correct farmers do occasionally loose lambs to foxes but not in any significant numbers. Foxes are extremely timid and even a recently born lamb if fit and healthy would an xtremely difficult kill for a fox. Farmers in my area spend far more time worrying about the weather during lambing season than the prspet that they will loose stock to foxes

Foxes kill in excess of what they need to eat.
In a natural environment this is completely untrue. Foxes in the wild are clever enough to realise that in a situation where prey is abundant that it makes sense to kill more than you need right now and bury it so it can be used later when food is harder to come by. The situation you are referring to is the much used fox in a chicken coup scenario where the fox will kill all the chickens because it's instincts kick in and the chickens are unable to escape. This is a completely unnatural scenario which I suspect rarely happens and if it did would be entirely the fault of the person breeding the chickens for not protecting them correctly.

 

If there is a third term, we can wave goodbye to the British way of life and to our country for that matter!

Les

 

This stock reply of "it's the hunters who are wasting government time" is simply not applicable. Whilst people are being raped, robbed and murdered and innocent people are suffering due to loopholes and inconsistancies in existing legislation the government has no business bringing such cynical, petty and insignificant bills and new legislation infront of parliament and the house of lords in the first place.

Rape, robbery and murder are obviously already banned, but the government have decided its easier to ban a minority sport because its an easy target and its perceived they may get a few votes than it is to solve the countries REAL problems and get ALL the votes.