Rolling Road Day - Well Lane 9 (Nov 21st)
21 October 2004, 09:55 PM
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scooby new, don't worry about such things!
i went to my 1st RR day in feb with the 22b lot, and there was some stunning and powerful cars there. My scoob is a right shed to look at, but i wern't bothered, and it made 262bhp, 2nd lowest of the day!
had a good day and that day!
the best part of well lane, apart from meeting new people, is the tesco's round the corner for all day breakfast!
i went to my 1st RR day in feb with the 22b lot, and there was some stunning and powerful cars there. My scoob is a right shed to look at, but i wern't bothered, and it made 262bhp, 2nd lowest of the day!
had a good day and that day!
the best part of well lane, apart from meeting new people, is the tesco's round the corner for all day breakfast!
22 October 2004, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by pum
yeh come on Rich ! the list?
I've been extremely busy this week and have had problems accesing the internet so haven't had time to finalise the list yet, I still have a few specs of people to update, but everyone who's on it has been informed anyway so there's no panic.
I'll put the list up early next week.
To the newbies:
Don't let all this serious banter put you off, these really are fun days and you can meet lots of fellow enthusiasts and maybe even make some new friends. I have met many really nice guys through organising these days whom I would probably never have met otherwise.
Anyone is welcome to attend as spectators and no one should feel intimidated or that "they are not worthy" even the big boys started somewhere.
I remember when Dave Wallis's car was bog standard (Well Lane 1) and now look at him!!
22 October 2004, 01:48 PM
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Rich,
I remember when you white scoob was standard at Well Lane 1
Seemed to struggle to get people on that one lol!
Tony,
Bringing your shed, no wonder it's so light! Is it made out of wood?
Damian.
I remember when you white scoob was standard at Well Lane 1
Seemed to struggle to get people on that one lol!Tony,
Bringing your shed, no wonder it's so light! Is it made out of wood?
Damian.
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lol, well hopefully im first on this time so i can get back home to bed before another night shift. Not looking forward to driving up there straight from a 12 hour nightshift think ill have to get the red bull down me all night but hopefully it will be worth it.
John
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24 October 2004, 05:27 PM
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This is getting a little tedious and while the two Johns are welcome to their own opinions they should be based on fact not supposition. As John B has some standing on this board I would not like his views to unfairly influence third parties without first hand knowledge of Well Lane.
Those of you going to Well Lane for Rich Wild's rolling road day or those that have already run there can make up their own minds and I hope they will make their observations public.
What experience does JB have of W.L. to make these comments which if true are daming?
I have already posted that temperature control at Well Lane is superior to G-Force and PE where on one occasion my car had to come off the rollers because of rising temperatures, something that has never even been approached at Well Lane.
Somewhere reference is made to bodies piling into the car to gain traction. That is indeed a common occurance in my presence at the seven rolling roads I have used, including Star when my car has been on the rollers. It is due to the power. Trust me.
G-Force made a big thing of their non slip rollers but we had all sorts of problems with traction for my car and there were five of us in it from memory. I also note the regular use of belt dressing at Star.
Maddog : You have made a number of shrewd observations. I know the other guys can read but maybe they only register what they want. I don't know who you are and if I should know you in another format please accept my apologies.
John H :
Well after admitting to "dyno queening" which is a waste of time according to JB he now admits to doing it. An rolling road day at Prosport (when they first had their dyno)was not satisfactory but I don't understand the logic in concluding you cannot run at Well Lane. Don't go to Tesco's for your breakfast because it is crap in Woolworths ? Same logic ?
Not exactly what I said and your inference is that their rollers are inaccurate at that level of power. This is not the case as I understand it but for an exact honest answer why not speak to the operator, Barry who I am sure knows more about the operation and calibration of his equipment than most pundits.
WTF does this mean ? Spell it out.
I am not sure what this means really but the Link does not have a facility to switch maps as far as I know. I use my lap top to change from one map to the other and the STi has two and the WRX has one.
The logic of what RCMS achieves, influencing what JB will do is a little lost on me.
John B :
Jonny Gav and Alan G on seperate rolling roads have achieved 420 bhp or thereabouts and for very little effort I have produced 399 bhp all on 2 litres with TD05-06 20Gs so that helps to put into perspective your 2.5 litre result.
Well actually it is very consistent. I have never ran Optimax only. I will repeat that I have two maps, a basic road map, Optimax + 1ml per litre NF, and a "Race Map". Depending on what I am doing and what information I am gathering I will decide to run one or the other without reference to any third party.
Elsewhere you have highlighted that I do not provide you with information but it is quite clear that I have tried to help you in the past. Prior to Prosport you contacted me by e-mail and long phone calls with lots of talk, wanting to benchmark our turbos. You wanted me to run on Optimax which I think was an imposition and I offered to get you 102 RON race fuel which is what I opted for at least 18 months ago and have stuck with since. Higher octane fuel is available, 106, 109, 116 and perhaps even higher, I do not know but for my purpose the 102 RON was available, consistant, reasonably priced and it served my purpose. Now I put some time into this and shared my knowledge but you decided for cost reasons you did not want to by any 102 RON fuel. About £75 a drum from memory. Here was your ideal opportunity to see exactly what each engine would produce. The amount of effort for running 102 RON would not have been greatly different "running more methanol and NF and mapping to suit". I could not understand why you had to go to the far end of a f4rt comparing turbos anyway but I we are just different people. A 25 litre drum would have served your purpose for Prosport and a second 25 litre drum would have taken care of mapping. In the event Prosport were still learning to use their rollers so little of worth was gained although I did have a 499 ft.lbs figure for torque on the race fuel. I would not put a lot of store in that but that is what happened and if you were not so tight you would have invested in two drums of race fuel. It was your opportunity for a direct comparison without extrapilation and assumption. A great pity it did not work out that way because it would avoid some of this ****.
You keep referring to our engines being the same spec. They are not. For a start you have a 2.5 litre with 2 litre components. I am not particularly interested in what spec you have but I know the detailed attention that has gone into my engine by me, Bob Rawle,RCMS and others. Lots of things I doubt you have touched on but Maddog seems switched on to some intereting aspects. It also appears you just bolted on your turbo when you got it. I also wonder if your turbo was exactly the same as mine. I suspect not. If you just bolted on your turbo then what other attention to detail did you miss?
BTW you say the spool of the Ion is a few hundred rpm higher up than the 05-06 20G. The spool of my 06 on the WRX is exactly the same revs as the Ion was on the STi. Spool on both turbos being improved from first fit.
Elsewhere there is comparison of my quarter mile time in 2003 with the results of the top cars in 2004. All credit to Andy, Paul, CRD and Halldor. I did infact assist in my small modest way in two of these cars. My result in 2003 was at around 500bhp from memory. Take just one of these cars, the Icelandic car which I know well. Matt Clark built both my engine and that for Halldor. He knows both vehicles intimately. Matt told me that Halldors current engine did not have the overall power of my engine. It was a New Age car and a lot of development work was done along the way and the results were very good from the original starting point. At least Matt and Halldor were happy along with everybody else involved.The car was stripped out, taken back to bare metal and built from the shell up as a drag car. It was specifically built to win the Icelandic National Drag Championship for 2 litre turbos which it did. A new engine capitalising on the learning and evolution that has taken place in such a short time is in build now. That is progress. Now it is a little unrealistic to compare that car, with developments a year on with my own vehicle which was a daily driver and essentially in full road going trim down to the wheels and 215 x 40 x 17 Goodyear F1s.
Now you state I had engine reliability issues. Start another thread because like I said at the beginning this is becoming tedious but here is your starter. Well over 30,000 mls from an engine that was always at the top of the performance league for 2 litre Subarus in Europe and the heads off once in that time when I broke the insulation on an HKS plug.
I see little point in running at Well Lane from the cooling I saw, and the way the cars are "held" down, slipping all over the place until a run that is deemed about right is produced.
What experience does JB have of W.L. to make these comments which if true are daming?
I have already posted that temperature control at Well Lane is superior to G-Force and PE where on one occasion my car had to come off the rollers because of rising temperatures, something that has never even been approached at Well Lane.
Somewhere reference is made to bodies piling into the car to gain traction. That is indeed a common occurance in my presence at the seven rolling roads I have used, including Star when my car has been on the rollers. It is due to the power. Trust me.
G-Force made a big thing of their non slip rollers but we had all sorts of problems with traction for my car and there were five of us in it from memory. I also note the regular use of belt dressing at Star.Maddog : You have made a number of shrewd observations. I know the other guys can read but maybe they only register what they want. I don't know who you are and if I should know you in another format please accept my apologies.
John H :
after the waste of time at Prosport and the fact that John has now lost two sets of gaskets tuning his car especially for a dyno day do you blame him ?
but you told us yourself that Well Lane are unable to run your car now due to its levels of performance so there must be issues somewhere
perhaps Paul and I have to admit to recyling information from friends who have been in the car with Harvey and say mechanical sympathy is not the issue but this was not on a drag strip so adds a variable to drag times
john does not have the option to switch maps like your ECU so it sounds like you are both doing the same thing. the maps John ended with could also be used on the road so long as the fuel quality remained the same
perhaps once RCM have had a few 2.5's out without head gasket failure running high power for 10000 miles, john might start pushing again.
John B :
If I'm so crap why did I get decent results out of the 20G?
Harvey has said in thread IIRC that he was running Optimax only. Other times he has said he is refusing to say. Other times he's offered sources of race fuel. Other times people have smelled the race fuel from his car. It seems inconsistent.
You suggested a source of race fuel to me shortly before Prosport, when I decided not to run it because of the setting up required, volumes needed, distance from home to drive on it y ou got upset. It is Harvey's way or ...So I tried to do what I could to increase my octane by running more methanol and NF and mapping to suit - TO BE ABLE TO COMPARE THE 20G WITH THE ION as I clearly stated to you - you knew well I had had naff turbos before. I wanted to know whether the Ion was able to Produce +30% power over the 20G. I expected 10-15%, but we'll never know now. On the way back from Prosport in this trim the first set of headgaskets went. The nearest comparisons I can do on my own car suggest about 10% improvement in power on the same octane for Ion vs 20G. it does what it says on the tin.
You keep referring to our engines being the same spec. They are not. For a start you have a 2.5 litre with 2 litre components. I am not particularly interested in what spec you have but I know the detailed attention that has gone into my engine by me, Bob Rawle,RCMS and others. Lots of things I doubt you have touched on but Maddog seems switched on to some intereting aspects. It also appears you just bolted on your turbo when you got it. I also wonder if your turbo was exactly the same as mine. I suspect not. If you just bolted on your turbo then what other attention to detail did you miss?
BTW you say the spool of the Ion is a few hundred rpm higher up than the 05-06 20G. The spool of my 06 on the WRX is exactly the same revs as the Ion was on the STi. Spool on both turbos being improved from first fit.
Elsewhere there is comparison of my quarter mile time in 2003 with the results of the top cars in 2004. All credit to Andy, Paul, CRD and Halldor. I did infact assist in my small modest way in two of these cars. My result in 2003 was at around 500bhp from memory. Take just one of these cars, the Icelandic car which I know well. Matt Clark built both my engine and that for Halldor. He knows both vehicles intimately. Matt told me that Halldors current engine did not have the overall power of my engine. It was a New Age car and a lot of development work was done along the way and the results were very good from the original starting point. At least Matt and Halldor were happy along with everybody else involved.The car was stripped out, taken back to bare metal and built from the shell up as a drag car. It was specifically built to win the Icelandic National Drag Championship for 2 litre turbos which it did. A new engine capitalising on the learning and evolution that has taken place in such a short time is in build now. That is progress. Now it is a little unrealistic to compare that car, with developments a year on with my own vehicle which was a daily driver and essentially in full road going trim down to the wheels and 215 x 40 x 17 Goodyear F1s.
Now you state I had engine reliability issues. Start another thread because like I said at the beginning this is becoming tedious but here is your starter. Well over 30,000 mls from an engine that was always at the top of the performance league for 2 litre Subarus in Europe and the heads off once in that time when I broke the insulation on an HKS plug.
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24 October 2004, 07:40 PM
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A lot of fair points Harvey, I have to say.
Star and Dastek didn't seem to have any problem holding down Andy's cars, I don't remember lots of bodies in the back or problems, perhaps he will correct if wrong. My car was slipping at Prosport at about 3000 RPM, yet it went in with wet tyres and very basic strapping at Dastek and had no trouble at all, I was probably running only 5% more torque at Prosport than Dastek - slightly higher boost 1 or 2 PSI, and methanol in the tank instead of injected. Granted Prosport is not Well Lane though as you say, but both Star and Dastek don't seem to have traction issues.
I have no problems getting results out of turbos or engines for a given spec...
290-300 BHP on a TD04 hybrid at PE with SUL
358 BHP on a TD05 at Star with NF - which put about four car lengths on a 440 BHP Evo on a quarter both with good launches whether it was driven by its owner or Andy F or my car was driven by T-uk or me - must be the only time I'll ever pass Andy F
406 BHP at Star with NF on ported OEM headers on the 2.0 with a 20G
434 BHP and 395 lbft on the 2.5 with aftermarket headers and 10% methanol (running this daily) instead of NF (about 50 BHP up on another 20G car that day IIRC but he was mapped down to run on pump fuel IIRC).
Maybe I'm not thinking laterally enough, but it didn't seem realistic for me to carry around the high octane fuel to get to/from the rolling road, and I wouldn't want to try to drain the tank just before the rollers, switch maps, then switch back to drive home again, I would consider it for local rollers like Star or Dastek, but getting a pure sample in the tank is still a bit tricky, plus I didn't want to blow up the engine as at the time I didn't have a spare car so I really wanted to compare the turbos on Optimax, I was willing to map mine off the methanol to do this, as really I didn't (and don't) want to have to run additives with the mileage I do... and I don't now on the iON. I can understand if you didn't want to benchmark on Optimax once you'd used the good stuff.
I wanted a bit more information/results to go on for the turbo than I had because as you know I'd had supplier problems over the previous year with turbos, engines, clutches and gearboxes. I didn't want something that underperformed, I was already being quite adventurous I think in trying out a standard EJ257 at medium power as a daily driver. I think I ended up with a turbo that just or nearly does what I wanted - 450/400 without additives, but not easily - ie I don't think it will sit on any dyno, any day and always get an easy 450 BHP on Optimax without additives. I think I should have gone for something a little larger, backed up by Andy's results getting about 500 BHP with additives on a GT30R. Whilst there may be a bit more from Dastek's reconfiguration, he also ran in inertia mode and the results are not that far away as I'm sure he'd tell you. Had I been able to see a plain Optimax run on your car on the same rollers as mine this would have perhaps shown the difference, whereas all I have is (presumably) race fuel, and Well Lane to work with.
There was a bit more to fitting it than bolting it on, I refer to that as it is a "bolt on" turbo, a lot of the block was ground away, diameters of joints were matched etc.
Now that you've stated octane, and for some reason I had always thought it implied that the 585 was on Optimax only otherwise I wouldn't have made issue, although I'm probably mistaken, it becomes more realistic to me since as T-uk has corrected your 585 to 525 using Bob's corrections. I think 500 at Star or Dastek would be possible on my present setup with Race Gas and mapping (bearing in mind Andy had about 500 with additives but no race gas), as they are putting similar gains on from toluene/pump going up to C16 in the US. But I'm not going to try it without a headgasket that is secure I'm afraid. If it was secure and I had some CP pistons put in I'd go for it. Then I would fit a GT30R and remove the race fuel and expect to do the same.
So I still hold the view that the P450 is approx a 450 BHP turbo on Optimax without additives on rollers I could believe. Race gas and 60 BHP because of roller differences are what explain the difference? Yes you have an impeccable setup, your pistons are probably of far superior design, and I have merely tried to copy your published details on heat management, but I think the apparent 135-145 BHP difference between my engine and yours is due to roller and octane more than anything else. Yes you win as I've said all along but whilst I'm no Bob Rawle, I'm not so crap I'm that far behind on the same turbo, at least I've not been on other turbos, except Murray's car which you helpfully sorted which was really underperforming, but the MD304 just would not hold the boost on his at the time chosen boost controller because of its overported wastegate.
Star and Dastek didn't seem to have any problem holding down Andy's cars, I don't remember lots of bodies in the back or problems, perhaps he will correct if wrong. My car was slipping at Prosport at about 3000 RPM, yet it went in with wet tyres and very basic strapping at Dastek and had no trouble at all, I was probably running only 5% more torque at Prosport than Dastek - slightly higher boost 1 or 2 PSI, and methanol in the tank instead of injected. Granted Prosport is not Well Lane though as you say, but both Star and Dastek don't seem to have traction issues.
Jonny Gav and Alan G on seperate rolling roads have achieved 420 bhp or thereabouts and for very little effort I have produced 399 bhp all on 2 litres with TD05-06 20Gs so that helps to put into perspective your 2.5 litre result
290-300 BHP on a TD04 hybrid at PE with SUL
358 BHP on a TD05 at Star with NF - which put about four car lengths on a 440 BHP Evo on a quarter both with good launches whether it was driven by its owner or Andy F or my car was driven by T-uk or me - must be the only time I'll ever pass Andy F
406 BHP at Star with NF on ported OEM headers on the 2.0 with a 20G
434 BHP and 395 lbft on the 2.5 with aftermarket headers and 10% methanol (running this daily) instead of NF (about 50 BHP up on another 20G car that day IIRC but he was mapped down to run on pump fuel IIRC).
Maybe I'm not thinking laterally enough, but it didn't seem realistic for me to carry around the high octane fuel to get to/from the rolling road, and I wouldn't want to try to drain the tank just before the rollers, switch maps, then switch back to drive home again, I would consider it for local rollers like Star or Dastek, but getting a pure sample in the tank is still a bit tricky, plus I didn't want to blow up the engine as at the time I didn't have a spare car so I really wanted to compare the turbos on Optimax, I was willing to map mine off the methanol to do this, as really I didn't (and don't) want to have to run additives with the mileage I do... and I don't now on the iON. I can understand if you didn't want to benchmark on Optimax once you'd used the good stuff.
I wanted a bit more information/results to go on for the turbo than I had because as you know I'd had supplier problems over the previous year with turbos, engines, clutches and gearboxes. I didn't want something that underperformed, I was already being quite adventurous I think in trying out a standard EJ257 at medium power as a daily driver. I think I ended up with a turbo that just or nearly does what I wanted - 450/400 without additives, but not easily - ie I don't think it will sit on any dyno, any day and always get an easy 450 BHP on Optimax without additives. I think I should have gone for something a little larger, backed up by Andy's results getting about 500 BHP with additives on a GT30R. Whilst there may be a bit more from Dastek's reconfiguration, he also ran in inertia mode and the results are not that far away as I'm sure he'd tell you. Had I been able to see a plain Optimax run on your car on the same rollers as mine this would have perhaps shown the difference, whereas all I have is (presumably) race fuel, and Well Lane to work with.
There was a bit more to fitting it than bolting it on, I refer to that as it is a "bolt on" turbo, a lot of the block was ground away, diameters of joints were matched etc.
Now that you've stated octane, and for some reason I had always thought it implied that the 585 was on Optimax only otherwise I wouldn't have made issue, although I'm probably mistaken, it becomes more realistic to me since as T-uk has corrected your 585 to 525 using Bob's corrections. I think 500 at Star or Dastek would be possible on my present setup with Race Gas and mapping (bearing in mind Andy had about 500 with additives but no race gas), as they are putting similar gains on from toluene/pump going up to C16 in the US. But I'm not going to try it without a headgasket that is secure I'm afraid. If it was secure and I had some CP pistons put in I'd go for it. Then I would fit a GT30R and remove the race fuel and expect to do the same.
So I still hold the view that the P450 is approx a 450 BHP turbo on Optimax without additives on rollers I could believe. Race gas and 60 BHP because of roller differences are what explain the difference? Yes you have an impeccable setup, your pistons are probably of far superior design, and I have merely tried to copy your published details on heat management, but I think the apparent 135-145 BHP difference between my engine and yours is due to roller and octane more than anything else. Yes you win as I've said all along
but whilst I'm no Bob Rawle, I'm not so crap I'm that far behind on the same turbo, at least I've not been on other turbos, except Murray's car which you helpfully sorted which was really underperforming, but the MD304 just would not hold the boost on his at the time chosen boost controller because of its overported wastegate.
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24 October 2004, 10:08 PM
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sorry about this rich , last post from me on this thread. we are just going round in circles anyway.
harvey, your own expert says well lane reads higher. get over it.
when jb's lateral gear kit failed we asked a number of friends about a replacement. as a five speed , yours seemed the best bet and they confirmed that you drive hard.this was why your driving style had been discussed.
you also ripped the centre out a clutch so you clearly do not drive like a ***** do you.
best of luck with your new build.
harvey, your own expert says well lane reads higher. get over it.
WTF does this mean ? Spell it out.
when jb's lateral gear kit failed we asked a number of friends about a replacement. as a five speed , yours seemed the best bet and they confirmed that you drive hard.this was why your driving style had been discussed.
you also ripped the centre out a clutch so you clearly do not drive like a ***** do you.
best of luck with your new build.
24 October 2004, 11:57 PM
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Can you guys all attend the RR day at Well Lane, will make for great ring side seats, seeing who will produce the most 'talk'
my experience of Well Lane (been to a few now) have been pretty much spot on with my own car, and other cars whose owners I have spoken too
The only exception to this (which I have already stated on this thread) was the Honda RR day, where all the Honda owners complained that they were *all* down on power, the rest of us, where quite pleased with our results, i had an improvement I was expecting (from my results the week before) due to replacing the leaking up-pipe
I would prefer if you could continue your discussions on a seperate thread, interesting as they are, this thread is for the people who will be attending & running at Well Lane
Steve
my experience of Well Lane (been to a few now) have been pretty much spot on with my own car, and other cars whose owners I have spoken too
The only exception to this (which I have already stated on this thread) was the Honda RR day, where all the Honda owners complained that they were *all* down on power, the rest of us, where quite pleased with our results, i had an improvement I was expecting (from my results the week before) due to replacing the leaking up-pipe
I would prefer if you could continue your discussions on a seperate thread, interesting as they are, this thread is for the people who will be attending & running at Well Lane
Steve
25 October 2004, 07:30 AM
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sonic well said!!!
tell em all to get alife and go on another thread if there not going!
this is for the guy's that are going and i like most will be running for the first time
this is for the guy's that are going and i like most will be running for the first time
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Hi all,
Finally managed to get round to posting up a list, wot with being busy at work and having internet access problems it's been a bit of a mare.
Glad to see all this "pre-event banter" going on. At least it keeps my thread going bttt
Anyway, here goes the list: (AS USUAL IF ANYTHING IS WRONG OR CHANGES BEFORE THE DAY, COULD YOU PLEASE LET ME KNOW VIA EMAIL....ALSO, IF YOU CAN'T MAKE IT FOR WHATEVER REASON, PLEASE LET ME KNOW IN ADVANCE SO I CAN LET THE RESERVES HAVE A GO).
1. Kev C MY94WRX (Blitz SUS induction, MRT inlet plenum pipe, Jap Innovations decat downpipe, decat exhaust, HKS FCD, Blitz spec S Boost controller, Iridium plugs, MRT lightened pulleys, ported OEM headers, uprated fuel pump)
2. Brendan Fallon MY00 UK Turbo (HKS FMIC, Blitz SUS induction, MRT High flow silicon inlet hose, MRT lightened pulleys, VF34 Turbo, Full decat exhaust, HKS FCD, Blitz Spec S boost controller, Iridium plugs)
3. Mark Whitaker MY01WRX (PPP)
4. C Dave MY95 UK Turbo (Blitz SUS induction, full Jap Innovations decat exhaust, HKS FCD, HKS AFR, Blitz Spec S boost controller, Iridium plugs, Samco turbo hoses, uprated fuel pump, MRT billet flywheel)
5. Rob Enright MY97 UK turbo (full decat, Powertec Induction kit, MRT lightened pulleys, HKS FCD, HKS EVC5 boost controller, uprated fuel pump, TD05 turbo, Samco hoses, TSL firestorm backbox, Apexi Power FC)
6. Dave Knott MY02 WRX (MRT grpN panel, full Jap innovations decat exhaust, MRT high flow inlet pipe, MRT uprated TMIC, Blitz Spec S boost controller, HKS FCD, HKS AFR, uprated fuel pump)
7. Lee Howarth MY00 UK Turbo (Blitz SUS Induction, MRT high flow inlet pipe, VF24 Turbo, MRT FMIC, MRT lightened pulleys, full Jap innovations decat exhaust, HKS FCD, HKS EVC5 boost controller, Iridium plugs)
8. Vulnax WRX wagon (TD05, ScoobyECU, OBX Headers&up-pipe, Full H&S Decat exhaust, STi TMIC, I/C Waterspray, Samco hoses, Induction cone and MRT inlet plenum, EBC, earthing kit, bonnet vent splitter, PFR 7b plugs, Walbro fuel pump and FSE 1:1 fuel regulator)
9. Tony Wood MY94 WRX (Blitz SUS Induction, Scoobysport Backbox)
10. Steve Jackson MY92 Legacy turbo (decat centre, K&N induction VOS chip)
11. Pum MY98 UK Turbo (full decat)
12. Karl Marshall STi 4 Type R (5zigen exhaust with decat downpipe)
13. Newboy MY96 UK wagon (mods TBA)
14. Old Fella MY98UK Turbo (PPP)
15. Stiff MY96 WRX (standard)
16. Colby MY95 WRX (full decat, ScoobyECU)
17. Steve Loftus MY00 UK turbo (H&S decat downpipe, Afterburner system, Dawes Device, K&N panel)
18. Sonic MY00 UK Turbo (Magnex Downpipe, Magnex Non Resonated Centre, Scoobysport Backbox, Ported & Wrapped Headers, Ported Up-pipe, PPP ECU, STi Intercooler & pipes)
19. Scoobychrissy MY02 WRX (Full decat with tek3 remap, up rated fuel pump,VF35 turbo, STI 8 tmic, STI injectors, Gruppe S headers, Lightened flywheel, K&N induction kit.)
20. Redevilwrx MY94WRX (full Devil decat exhaust, K&N induction)
21. Leuven MY93WRX (K&N induction, full HKS decat exhaust, dawes device and FCD)
22. Steve Hirst MY99 UK Turbo (standard)
23. John Wainwright MY00 UK Turbo (full decat, manual boost controller, Blitz induction)
24. Janet Dickinson MY00 UK Turbo (K&N, drilled airbox, full decat)
25. Housequake STi 6 Type R V-Ltd (standard)
Reserves
26. Mick Brassington MY02 WRX (TEK3 remap, Scorpion decat centre, P7 plugs, Green airfilter)
27. Chris Jones MY02WRX (2.5litre, MOTEC ECU)
28. Spen555 03 JDM STi (STi panel filter, Miltek exhaust with cat, remap)
29. WRX Bill STi8 (spec TBA)
30. RB 22B (spec TBA)
31. Paul Abrams MY99 UK Turbo (boost regulator valve, full decat Magnex exhaust)
32. Mark Taylor MY00 UK Turbo (Full Blitz Decat, K+N Filter,VF28 Turbo, Tek 3 Remap)
33. Lenny B MY00 UK Turbo (full decat, green panel filter)
34. Lenny B’s cousin MY92 Lancia Delta Integrale (sports exhaust)
35. Palatine JDM MY97 Subaru Forester St/b (Apexi Power FC ECU, Apexi Boost Control Kit, Apexi Power Induction Kit, Front Mount Intercooler, HKS Racing Spark Plugs, Uprated Fuel pump and regulator, TD04 turbo, HKS Super Drager Full 3” de-cat system from turbo back)
36. Nick Adams MY01WRX (spec TBA)
37. Rich Wild MY97 UK turbo (Blitz SUS induction, MRT high flow silicon inlet hose, TDO5FE turbo, Samco hoses, MRT uprated TMIC with larger scoop, MRT lightened pulleys, ported OEM headers and stainless flexi uppipe, full Jap Innovations decat exhaust, Uprated fuel pump and regulator, HKS EVC5 Boost controller, Apexi Power FC ECU, oil breathers rerouted, DIY earthing kit)
Finally managed to get round to posting up a list, wot with being busy at work and having internet access problems it's been a bit of a mare.
Glad to see all this "pre-event banter" going on. At least it keeps my thread going bttt
Anyway, here goes the list: (AS USUAL IF ANYTHING IS WRONG OR CHANGES BEFORE THE DAY, COULD YOU PLEASE LET ME KNOW VIA EMAIL....ALSO, IF YOU CAN'T MAKE IT FOR WHATEVER REASON, PLEASE LET ME KNOW IN ADVANCE SO I CAN LET THE RESERVES HAVE A GO).
1. Kev C MY94WRX (Blitz SUS induction, MRT inlet plenum pipe, Jap Innovations decat downpipe, decat exhaust, HKS FCD, Blitz spec S Boost controller, Iridium plugs, MRT lightened pulleys, ported OEM headers, uprated fuel pump)
2. Brendan Fallon MY00 UK Turbo (HKS FMIC, Blitz SUS induction, MRT High flow silicon inlet hose, MRT lightened pulleys, VF34 Turbo, Full decat exhaust, HKS FCD, Blitz Spec S boost controller, Iridium plugs)
3. Mark Whitaker MY01WRX (PPP)
4. C Dave MY95 UK Turbo (Blitz SUS induction, full Jap Innovations decat exhaust, HKS FCD, HKS AFR, Blitz Spec S boost controller, Iridium plugs, Samco turbo hoses, uprated fuel pump, MRT billet flywheel)
5. Rob Enright MY97 UK turbo (full decat, Powertec Induction kit, MRT lightened pulleys, HKS FCD, HKS EVC5 boost controller, uprated fuel pump, TD05 turbo, Samco hoses, TSL firestorm backbox, Apexi Power FC)
6. Dave Knott MY02 WRX (MRT grpN panel, full Jap innovations decat exhaust, MRT high flow inlet pipe, MRT uprated TMIC, Blitz Spec S boost controller, HKS FCD, HKS AFR, uprated fuel pump)
7. Lee Howarth MY00 UK Turbo (Blitz SUS Induction, MRT high flow inlet pipe, VF24 Turbo, MRT FMIC, MRT lightened pulleys, full Jap innovations decat exhaust, HKS FCD, HKS EVC5 boost controller, Iridium plugs)
8. Vulnax WRX wagon (TD05, ScoobyECU, OBX Headers&up-pipe, Full H&S Decat exhaust, STi TMIC, I/C Waterspray, Samco hoses, Induction cone and MRT inlet plenum, EBC, earthing kit, bonnet vent splitter, PFR 7b plugs, Walbro fuel pump and FSE 1:1 fuel regulator)
9. Tony Wood MY94 WRX (Blitz SUS Induction, Scoobysport Backbox)
10. Steve Jackson MY92 Legacy turbo (decat centre, K&N induction VOS chip)
11. Pum MY98 UK Turbo (full decat)
12. Karl Marshall STi 4 Type R (5zigen exhaust with decat downpipe)
13. Newboy MY96 UK wagon (mods TBA)
14. Old Fella MY98UK Turbo (PPP)
15. Stiff MY96 WRX (standard)
16. Colby MY95 WRX (full decat, ScoobyECU)
17. Steve Loftus MY00 UK turbo (H&S decat downpipe, Afterburner system, Dawes Device, K&N panel)
18. Sonic MY00 UK Turbo (Magnex Downpipe, Magnex Non Resonated Centre, Scoobysport Backbox, Ported & Wrapped Headers, Ported Up-pipe, PPP ECU, STi Intercooler & pipes)
19. Scoobychrissy MY02 WRX (Full decat with tek3 remap, up rated fuel pump,VF35 turbo, STI 8 tmic, STI injectors, Gruppe S headers, Lightened flywheel, K&N induction kit.)
20. Redevilwrx MY94WRX (full Devil decat exhaust, K&N induction)
21. Leuven MY93WRX (K&N induction, full HKS decat exhaust, dawes device and FCD)
22. Steve Hirst MY99 UK Turbo (standard)
23. John Wainwright MY00 UK Turbo (full decat, manual boost controller, Blitz induction)
24. Janet Dickinson MY00 UK Turbo (K&N, drilled airbox, full decat)
25. Housequake STi 6 Type R V-Ltd (standard)
Reserves
26. Mick Brassington MY02 WRX (TEK3 remap, Scorpion decat centre, P7 plugs, Green airfilter)
27. Chris Jones MY02WRX (2.5litre, MOTEC ECU)
28. Spen555 03 JDM STi (STi panel filter, Miltek exhaust with cat, remap)
29. WRX Bill STi8 (spec TBA)
30. RB 22B (spec TBA)
31. Paul Abrams MY99 UK Turbo (boost regulator valve, full decat Magnex exhaust)
32. Mark Taylor MY00 UK Turbo (Full Blitz Decat, K+N Filter,VF28 Turbo, Tek 3 Remap)
33. Lenny B MY00 UK Turbo (full decat, green panel filter)
34. Lenny B’s cousin MY92 Lancia Delta Integrale (sports exhaust)
35. Palatine JDM MY97 Subaru Forester St/b (Apexi Power FC ECU, Apexi Boost Control Kit, Apexi Power Induction Kit, Front Mount Intercooler, HKS Racing Spark Plugs, Uprated Fuel pump and regulator, TD04 turbo, HKS Super Drager Full 3” de-cat system from turbo back)
36. Nick Adams MY01WRX (spec TBA)
37. Rich Wild MY97 UK turbo (Blitz SUS induction, MRT high flow silicon inlet hose, TDO5FE turbo, Samco hoses, MRT uprated TMIC with larger scoop, MRT lightened pulleys, ported OEM headers and stainless flexi uppipe, full Jap Innovations decat exhaust, Uprated fuel pump and regulator, HKS EVC5 Boost controller, Apexi Power FC ECU, oil breathers rerouted, DIY earthing kit)
25 October 2004, 08:11 PM
#118
Originally Posted by julian N/W wrx my93
looks like i'm travelling with neil!
i'll get the breakfast's then!
i'll get the breakfast's then!
...................... whaddya mean Julian?
Won't ya have your clutch sorted by then? And hand fixed up?
'Course you are welcome to come along for the ride if you can't make it yourself mate!
Think I should do a little local sweep on what the car may make ... PFC / Andy F mapping due 2 days before the RR
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26 October 2004, 09:46 AM
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Maddog : You have made a number of shrewd observations. I know the other guys can read but maybe they only register what they want. I don't know who you are and if I should know you in another format please accept my apologies.
My outside observations are only about the bigger picture. There are too many variables to compare like with like in respect to tuning cars.
All too often people can't figure out why they can't get the figures someone else gets when they have what they think are the same bits.
The comparison between 2.0 and 2.5 is folly IMO. Why make the comparison? chalk and cheese.
Last edited by Maddog; 26 October 2004 at 11:34 AM.