16vmarc

Whens this being moved to muppets?

lpski1

lets hope it doesnt.

sarasquares

iTrader: (1)

legless in TENERIFE!!!! i'd rather be headless in BAGDAD

its a joke

Aaquil

Now why would this be moved to muppets as it is quite a serious discussion?

moses

wrong again bros worst in Gods sight are those who commit shirk and hypocrites

and again u label me with those fanatics, and i read my salat 5 times a day and yes u did twist my words and i think u need to learn about our deen bros, u do seem like an uncle tom those brown nose type of muslims, i condemn terrorism and i spoke about a man at war against an army and occupiers and how suicide bombing aint really suiciding against an army with full artillery its like a soldier going out on war, if u want to call that suicide u can, but it aint, its a soldier who knows the consequences of war that he may not come back alive, and intention is to go and fight and get killed.


same as the samurai way.

and God aint gonna judge me by the length of my beard brother .

Allah swt knows whats in the heart

and u said i shouldnt behave like im doing, bros u are the one thats twisted not me i gave u my words and u gave me yours and if we differ so be it u sound like one of those bum chum muslims stuck up to george w bush's *** and use words to suit them and those kind of people.

moses

sorry bros if i offended u, i get passionate when i think of innocent muslims getting butchered and slaughtered and get called collatarel damage and plenty of other things, so took my anger out on u

sorry

gsm1

I think Aaquil just has a different approach, Moses. He's certainly not an 'Uncle'.

Anyway, Moses, give Alex Salmond a slap on the back for me for telling it like it is about Blair!

Aaquil

Moses...I think you have gone a tad too far this time. I am not:

"an uncle tom those brown nose type of muslims"
"twisted"
"bum chum muslims stuck up to george w bush's ***"

I sincerely advise you to go and learn your religion as the Quraan and Sunnah does not advise us to use the example of the "...samurai way." Following the way of the Samurai is not from Islaam.

I am free of the insults, lies and accusations you have levelled against me. Allaah is my witness as are the people on SN as to regards my stances towards the Muslims and Non Muslims as I have demonstrated on another thread regarding Hostages (Leslie, Diesel, Brit in Japan, Little Miss WRX and even Uncle Buck).

The issue of suicide bombing that you are promoting (I sincerely advise you to look back at my initial posts on this thread so you know exactly what I mean) and the astray individuals (Before you get upset I did not mean you are astray but you have the same stance on this issue as other astray groups and individuals). No matter how beautifully you clothe it, the point and truth from Islaam is the same it is Haraam and you will never convince the sincere who have a little understanding of their deen otherwise.

Shirk is the worse of all sins, hypocrisy is a major sin but the worst of all is SHIRK. If you are referring to a PURE HYPOCRITE then yes when compared to a Ignorant Muslim doing Shirk with Allaah through PURE IGNORANCE then the HYPOCRITE is worse. The HYPOCRITE IS A KAAFIR as you so easily labelled me and the MUSLIM who does SHIRK is JAAHIL and excused due to his/her ignorance.

SHIRK IS THE WORSE OF ALL SINS FAR FAR WORSE THAN HYPOCRISY...Shirk is to Associate partners with Allaah in worship or to worship other than Allaah and is insulting and degradation of Allaah, The Most High directly.

Actually, your statements, "God aint gonna judge me by the length of my beard brother" and "Allah swt knows whats in the heart" are wrong if taken without explanation. First do not write "God..." as "God..." has different connotations for different people. Allaah will judge you by both your actions and intentions. Allaah The Most High and His Prophet sallallaahu alayhi was sallam have ordered every Muslim man to grow the beard now if you do not have a beard you should think I will now strive to grow one...not the intention of growing the beard is in my heart and of course you can use the same cop out as many Muslims "You do not know my intention" but do you honestly believe that that will benefit you you face your Lord? Your beard is part of your Eemaan did you not know? Did you write "God aint gonna judge me by the length of my beard brother" because you do not have one and you know that you should. So if someone mentions the fact that they have one you have to belittle that striving?

If you mean by "Allah swt knows whats in the heart" that it is okay to do some actions and leave some because the intention is in my heart then you are wrong. If this were the case then why did Muhammad sallallaahu alayhi was sallam pray, do Hajj, fast, give Sadaqah, preach the Tawheed and warn against the shirk, raise his garment above his ankle and grown his beard.

I have never been so insulted by anyone on SCOOBYNET as I have been by you today you have gone well beyond the bounds and only irony is that you are a Muslim and I never thought a Muslim would be so nasty to another person let alone his Muslim brother.

I leave you with a final statement very eloquently written by one of the people here on SCOOBYNET that sums up this whole affair:

LESLIE WROTE "Well Aaquil, once the insults start it means that the discussion has been weakened and the man who starts the name calling is losing the argument."

Aaquil.

Little Miss WRX

Wise words indeed and words that yet again need to be re-enforced.

Let us not delve down into the mirky depths of insults and brawls, but continue on respectful of each other and their views, opinions and thoughts on religion.

Moses you have PM.

Kind Regards,

Michhelle.

moses

i know my deen aaquil and yes im a student but i know more than u think and the samurai way of jihad is the same as islam if only u studied it

not the hara kiri but but the rest.


in a way we have a hara kiri go and fight even if u get killed if u see what i mean.

and i aint clothing it, but its true suicide bombing against an army and an enemy who oppress;s aint a suicide, like i said its like a soldier going to war and knows he is gonna die taking on an army he has guns a suicide bomber has bombs etc

u can see it the way u want it i will see it the way i want it, we are 2 different people and u say u wouldnt think a muslim saying this to another muslim well u did, u made it sound as if u knew more about islam than anyone and are the sole 100% muslim who knows more than even scholars as u should know all scholars have different opinions they cant even agree on the colour of **** as mel gibson would say.


and again u lie and insult me with twisting my words dear brother when u say me promoting suicide bombers when i havent not even a single jot and all i said was its not suicide when fighting against an oppressive army , where did i promote it and tell muslims to go and do that, tell me where.

well personally if my family was wiped out by an army or oppressor i would strap bombs and go and bomb the b@stards into oblivion who kill my lil kid and family , i bet u would too



i quote u:

Actually, your statements, "God aint gonna judge me by the length of my beard brother" and "Allah swt knows whats in the heart" are wrong if taken without explanation. First do not write "God..." as "God..." has different connotations for different people. Allaah will judge you by both your actions and intentions. Allaah The Most High and His Prophet sallallaahu alayhi was sallam have ordered every Muslim man to grow the beard now if you do not have a beard you should think I will now strive to grow one...not the intention of growing the beard is in my heart and of course you can use the same cop out as many Muslims "You do not know my intention" but do you honestly believe that that will benefit you you face your Lord? Your beard is part of your Eemaan did you not know? Did you write "God aint gonna judge me by the length of my beard brother" because you do not have one and you know that you should. So if someone mentions the fact that they have one you have to belittle that striving?
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beard is not a part of iman and religion of islam , its a sunnah the way of the prophet and we feel short of even following his way and God knows best , u really believe God will overlook your good deeds and burn u in hell coz of not having a beard and the length of it, majority of the muslims in the world dont have a beard are they gonna burn in hell, we read that many sahabahs had different style of beards and not like the prophets peace be upon him, bros u must be joking right.

u want to grow a beard no probs but i shave both my beards up on my face and down under


Allah bless

and gsm no worries mate alex salmond rocked im glad he is back i met him a few times and gone to his speeches, awesome guy


AND EDITED TO ADD

bros what about the chinese muslims, malaysian muslims, mongol muslims and some russian muslims, genetically they cant grow a beard, are they gonna burn in hell

pls do tell how is it a part of iman when half of our muslim brothers geneticallt cant grow a beard specially the chinese muslim aka the mongoloids but us caucasian muslims cant but they cant, i would like an answer

cheers

moses

tell u what bros i will leave the thread , muslim brothers shouldnt be fighing but i did offer to end it and in a peaceful way a couple of posts up and u had to go and accuse me of stuff i didnt say , thats the reason i replied

peace

unclebuck

- muslim brothers shouldnt be fighing -

I'll second that sentiment.

UB

Aaquil

Was that before or after you called me:

"an uncle tom those brown nose type of muslims"
"twisted"
"bum chum muslims stuck up to george w bush's ***"

Do not try to show people that you are the reasonable one even in that last thread you cannot help yourself in twisting people's statement even though I was trying to sincerely advise you. I am no scholar but obviously you want to claim that I believe I am. Many individuals claim to be scholars and are far from it. We follow the opinions of scholars with evidence from the Qur'aan, Sunnah and understanding of the Salaf not from their own opinions.

You also want to write words like 'Sh*t' in the same discussion about issues in Islaam do not do this it degrades the issue you are writing about.

The beard is part of Eemaan as Eemaan consists of:

1. Belief in the heart.
2. Speech of the tongue e.g Testification of 'La ilaha illa Allaah'.
3. Action of the limbs e.g Actions of the prayer and growing of the BEARD.
4. It increases with obedience with Allaah The Most High.
5. It decreases with disobedience with Allaah The Most High.

That is why the saying of a person "You do not know what is in my heart" when asked why they do not pray (or as in our discussion) or grow their beard.

The beard if Fard and there is no other ruling except for the person who does not know or the person who is looking for excuse. The Prophet sallallaahu alayhi was sallam said: "...and my Lord has ORDERED me to grow my beard and trim my moustache." In the Arabic the work translated into 'ORDERED' is a very strong word to denote 'ORDERED'. Also the beard and its form is of two:

1. To let it grow and flow.
2. To grasp it in the hand and trim it after a fist lenght.

I presume that if you are a student (in Islaam terms) you will be well aware of the hadith I have quoted and the Fiqh regards the beard.

Again, regards the suicide bombing read my initial threads and you will see the issues I am referring to. A Jahil cannot order the one when fighting an army to go and blow himself up because he will not know the ruling regards this. This is only with the Ulemah of the Sunnah and with an Amir appointed by them. The people in Iraq and Israel are in so called 'Islamic' groups that are well astray. Muslim armies did go to battle and many sahabi came back alive when truly outnumbered and outgunned (in terms of physical abilities and weapons). It was not a form of clear suicide for them to go out into battle in that way. Khalid Bin Waleed died away from the battlefield even though he had fought in so many battles (against pure combatant ie armies) that there was not the lenght of the handspan on his body where he did not have an injury from a spear, sword or arrow.

I have not lied, twisted or insulted you at all...let others be the witness I CALL ANYONE TO READ YOUR PREVIOUS THREADS AND REPLIES TO SEE WHERE I HAVE LIED OR TWISTED YOUR STATEMENT OR INSULTED YOU. LITTLE MISS WRX, GSM1 ANYONE PLEASE FEEL FREE TO COMMENT.

You are promoting suicide bombing because you are making statements without making the issue clear...and by the way do you not think there are other Muslims that come on this website that are reading what you and I are writing?

There is no doubt that if your family was wiped out in the way you mentioned you would want to kill the people who did it but not by killing yourself unless under the order from an Amir who was under the guidance of the Scholars upon the Sunnah who understand the religion themselves.

I have not claimed to know more about Islaam than anyone else or am the only 100% Muslim and I am not. You claim to have knowledge but not once have you brought any evidence from the Qur'aan and Sunnah for any of your views.

I have not once stated that if you do not have a beard you will go to hell. I stated that if you use the excuse 'You do not know what is in my heart' to give you excuse for not having a beard, not establishing the prayer, not fasting, smoking, drinking, doing Shirk with Allaah, not obeying Allaah and not keeping away from disobedience then that statement will not benefit you when you face your Lord.

Shaving your facial hair goes against the order of the Prophet sallallaahu alayhi was sallam, against the way of the Sahabi (THEY DID NOT DIFFER IN THE FORM OF THE BEARD EXCEPT BY WHAT I HAVE MENTIONED ABOVE), against the way of all the other Prophet's and Messengers and their Sahabi as well. The beard is not the be all and end all the TAWHEED and the SALAAH is. TAWHEED FIRST OF COURSE. You made an isuue when I defended myself when you called me and 'Uncle Tom' by (me) saying I have a beard. You made it an issue not me.

Allaah does not burden a soul beyond its scope. If they cannot grow a beard that is what Allaah has written for them...but shaving their facial hair is haraam the reward is with Allaah.

One Sahabi had a single hair as a beard. When the Prophet sallallaahu alahi was sallam saw him, he beagn laughing. The Sahabi went away and cut it off. Later when the Prophet sallallaahu alayhi was sallam saw him he asked "Why did you cut your beard?" (he referred to it as a beard because he knew that was all the Sahabi could grow). The Sahabi replied, "Because you were laughing at it." He sallallaahu alayhi was sallam replied, "I was laughing at the Angel that was swinging from it!"

The good action or deed attract the good (ie the Angels) the bad/evil actions or deeds attract the bad or evil.

I was not intending to reply and was going to leave this issue to Allaah but I thought I would try to clarify to you one more time. My wife and son are both ill and I have been spending a long time on this reply I hope you appreciate that. I am not going to reply anymore as it will potential further this issue.

Aaquil.

Aaquil

Muslims shouldn't be fighting with anyone Unclebuck...

I got told to leave Britain while I was in ASDA with my wife on Saturday. Any comments? By the way the '...any comments?' is not specifically directed at you Unclebuck.

Aaquil.

Aaquil

Moses as for the peaceful end you interfered in my advice and what you wrote was wrong so I had to reply. I didn't ask you for your comments about bombings (suicide or otherwise). It was not a peaceful end it started everything off.

moses

bros i will leave u to do your twisting and bullsh1tting about me carry on and enjoy twisting words etc


and regarding the beard hadith has been passed down by scholars through hundreds and hundreds of yrs some are prophet pbuh's words and some arent and been proven weak, and imam bukhari said himself he destroyed so many and he took what was thought to be authentic and what wasnt, only God and the prophet knows whats authentic and i didnt say im a scholar but u sure act as if u are better than one and if i use the word **** its up to me and up to God to punish me as me being a glaswegian its a part of my culture if u like it or not

and tell me u didnt answer half of the muslims from chinese type origin cant grow a beard will they go to hell

use your brain bros God has given it to us
and if u use a miswak or toothbrush its your choice i use both but at the end of the day i wanna just brush my teeth bros

iman , faith and belief in God and his messengers comes first bros before this and that beard, maybe u dont see it that way, u sound like the jews who follow more of the man made traditions than the actual religion. the ones that prophet eesa (jesus) condemned

Aaquil

Caucasian Muslims and Malaysian Muslims can grow beards. My close friend David (Dawud), Jamaal ud Deen, Terence (Abdur Rahmaan - Mixed race) all have beards, Dawuds beard is massive down to his chest (He is Caucasian). Jasman my malaysian friend has a beard on the sides and on his chin but he does not shave it in that way its the natural way it is. Even my brother in law Abdullaah (African - Gambian) has a similar beard to Jasman but that's the way his beard also naturally is. They do not shave as they know it is an order from their Lord and growing it will Please Him. The beard is like wealth some have huge ones some do not but the leaving it to grow to the best of your ability is the issue and Allaah does not burden an individual beyond its scope.

moses

also i didnt say i have the knowledge i said i know my quran and my hadith

and u tell me where does it say that u cannot suicide bomb against an enemy , taking ones life is a sin but combat is a different story it aint suicide i class it as warfare with a bomb strapped or a gun, same thing u gonna go to war and get killed against an enemy but not civilians but an army, tell me u show me the proofs

Aaquil

The Prophet sallallaahu alayhi was sallam would never be in the company of those who used foul language and I though you were going to leave this thread? Did you bother to read my post or what (Sincere question no dig intended).

The issue of Bukhari is chain of narration or Isnad. The narration that you are trying to say may not be from Islaam has an authentic chain of narration back to the Prophet sallallaahu alayhi was sallam. By your criterion related to narrations how can we follow anything in Islaam as there would be so much doubt in what could and could not be correct. The Scholars of hadith like Bukhari and in our time Al-Albaanee spend all their lives authenticating narrations. One of which is the one I just quoted you.

Culture has no place in a Muslims life if it goes against Islaam and is generally obscene and evil...that is no justification.

I have just answered the issue of the beard twice. Once from Islaam and once from experience which does not go against Islaam.

You can use the Miswaak or toothbrush but do not compare that to growing the beard or shaving it. The issue of the beard is between obligation and forbiddance and the issue of brushing is choice. The use of the Miswaak is recommended not obligated.

Shall we leave it at that and to Allaah?

Aaquil.

Geezer

Moses,
Suicide bombing is called suicide bombing because it is just that suicide. No matter how you try and dress it up, it is suicide, killing yourself intentionally.

There is a huge difference between an a comabt soldier dying in war and a fanatic blowing themselves up. For one, the soldiers main aim is to inflict damage upon his enemy whilst preserving his own safety. No point killing the enemy if you are not alive to advantage of the situation afterwards. Suicide bombers could, if they chose to, still blow up the enemy from afar. It's not that difficult. The IRA did it for years very effectively thankyou very much, and I don't remember one of them running into a RUC station with semtex strapped to them.

It's a choice these people make. They choose to end their life. It's called suicide, look it up in the dictionary.

Other choose to wage war, there is a difference.

Geezer

moses

sorry been away yes im not talking about a handful of chinese and russian muslims majority of them genetically its hard for them to grow a beard

and yes bros u like to nit pick my foul language like **** and stuff

u must be an angel bros, coz im human and far from perfect when did u come from heaven u seem 100& perfect

bros may Gods curse be on u if u lie, so please dont lie


when u feeling horny, im not talking about ************, but u ever felt your manhood , dotn bullsh1t me im making it easy for u coz u are an angel and much better than me so it sounds from your language do u or dont u touch your manhood

and i wont bullsh1t im a muslim and i do read my 5 times salat and try to be good and yes like i said many a time i fall short

i believe in sex as long as im married and im against sex outside marriage as u maybe too

i was a virgin till i got married and never ever commited a sinful act before i was married or after like adultery

u ever had sex out of marriage or a girlfriend and also brother

as we know the first look is from God ( if a woman comes across and we look at her by mistake , its cool coz its the first look and its not sinful) but a second glance at her looks is from the devil

tell me bros i bet u have looked at a nice sweet girl and thought mashallah she is beautiful and i can make luv to that thing

have u bros, pls dont lie u aint ever looked at a girl twice after the first look , coz she is so beautiful that your tempted in your heart to look at her or a girl that smiles at u and she looks like an angel and u think aww she is a babe

i wont lie bros when i see a beautiful and kind woman i feel like marrying them and after marriage give them a good one all night long and i will have the guts to go and marry her first.

so tell me u ever glanced at a woman more than once , coz u seem to luv nitpicking hahaaha im not the bitchy type bros im a muslim man i overlook small weakness's like **** or f*** etc etc im a forgiving person but u seem the bitchy time that likes to overlook the good and nitpick things like ****


so i thought maybe give u a little bit of your medicine

and also u said not having a beard is forbidden aka haram may God have mercy on u when God says dont make things haram( forbidden to u) when God has made halal dont make them forbidden like the jews basically did as God said in the quran he gave them laws and good things and they made it forbidden and attributed it to God , God doesnt like that bros, majority of the muslims in the world dont keep a beard u are saying its haram and they will go to hell, bros u need to get your head checked

im outta here coz i dont wanna create a circus between 2 muslim brothers.

culture is man made religion is not, we follow alot of cultures that are against islam but come from peoples traditions from their countries like egypt, arabia, africa, china, pakistan etc etc


and geezer hows u mate been ages

mate suicide is suicide

suicide bombing against an oppresive regime and army aint suicide, calling it suicide bombing is a western word, their was no such thing called suicide bombing when the first so called suicide bombs went off against the israeli army in lebanon, the west called it suicide

a man goes single handed to defend his people with artillery and a tank u call it war, but a man with a bomb strapped to him and to take on the might of the army u call it a suicide, his intention is to kill and be martyred while doing it , it aint suicide, bombing civilians is an evil act unforgivable , a man going at war against an enemy with a good intention and to defend isnt a suicide bomber

and also the first woman in history the first woman suicide bomber was an arab lebanese catholic girl called laila abboud a christian she and her parents and church didnt think she was a suicide bomber she was a martyr against the israeli soldiers and killed 12 of them

Suresh

Any comments?
Actually I think whoever said that to you and your missus is bang out of order. Although as you describe yourself as being traditionally dressed, then I can understand that yer typical chav would assume you are "a terrorist". Sad, but true.

The real question is what were you doing shopping in ASDA? What sort of people did you think you would find there?


Suresh

P.S. Stop fighting you guys!

moses

be honest suresh i bet u are enjoying our arguement haha

moses

here


Title of Fatwa Palestinian Martyr Operations
Date of Fatwa 18/ April/ 2004
Date of Reply 18/ April/ 2004
Topic Of Fatwa Palestine
Question of Fatwa Dear scholars, As-Salamu `alaykum. First of all, let me thank the Fatwa Corner for providing such a great service. This is commendable and it deserves recognition. The following statement is not so much a question as it is a sharing of opinion. I would like to know what you feel about this opinion: Some friends and I were talking about the Intifadah. One of the most critical topics that we discussed was the suicide bombing. Most scholars and Muslims generally agree that the suicide bombing is allowed (Halal), yet an interesting point my friend brought up could possible invalidate this ruling.

In all the hadiths I have heard and read, and what scholars quote, I got impression that suicide is Halal. No one says that the early Muslims who died in a suicide operation killed himself. In carrying out these operations, each martyr (Shaheed) obviously had nothing in mind than to die for the sake of a cause. Yet he never stabbed himself, nor did he drink poison, nor shoot himself with a bow. Each Shaheed in the operation died in a suicide mission, yet not by his own hand, or most notably, not intentionally. To go yet a little further into the matter, the only thing I can remember is that when a Mujahid did kill himself, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) condemned him.

These suicide bombers have other alternatives to resistance than strapping a bomb to themselves and dying, sometimes the plan went futile and sometimes taking other souls with them. These alternatives might lead to their demise nonetheless, yet the intention of the Muslim would not have been to die at that spot. Instead, his intention would be to carry on with the Jihad. Please respond and tell me what you think.
Name of Mufti Dr. Fu'ad Mukhaymar
Content of Reply Wa `alaykum As-Salamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.


In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.


All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.


Dear brother in Islam, we would like to appreciate the great confidence you place in us. We thank you in return and we are to admit that it is our responsibility to convey Allah's word and disseminate knowledge.

We'd like to address a point; all scholars agreed that what the Palestinians carry out in showing resistance against their enemies is not a suicide bombing; rather, it's to be called martyr operation.

As regards your question, the late Azharite scholar and the head of the Sunni Egyptian Institutions in Egypt, Sheikh Fu'ad Mukhaymar, states the following:

"The view adopted by the majority of our contemporary Muslim scholars, describing as martyrs the Palestinians who blow themselves up in the occupied land in showing resistance against the aggression, is correct for the following reasons:

A person who blows himself up sacrifices his life for the survival of others. He dies for his homeland and his holy sites.

Those disarmed people are annihilated every day. Their houses and factories are destroyed and their farms are devastated. They stand with their hands tied before the tanks and armored vehicles of their enemies. The least they can offer is this sacrifice. A person who does this operation is considered by Ulama as a martyr especially as he sacrifices his life, not for a material gain, but for the sake of Allah.

The Palestinians lack the military support of the whole world. In this case, do they have to wait their doom or try their best to defend themselves?

The instances cited by scholars, in supporting their arguments, are also correct. History is full of many fascinating examples in which Muslims demonstrated an outstanding courage and strong spirit in fighting their enemies; they would sacrifice their lives for the sake of achieving their aim.

As regards the questioner’s reference to the narration that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) disapproved the act of a fighter who killed himself, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) did this when he knew that the man killed himself out of despair and discontent. But on the issue at hand, a Palestinian knows well what he does and chooses it with his free will. It’s for this great sacrifice that he deserves martyrdom."


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Title of Fatwa Martyr Operations or Terrorism
Date of Fatwa 27/ January/ 2004
Date of Reply 27/ January/ 2004
Topic Of Fatwa Jihad
Question of Fatwa I was really shocked to hear about the wide debate that occurred during the sessions of the Fiqh Council affiliated to the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) concerning the legality of martyr operations. I heard that there was a wide debate among some member scholars there, and some of them said that martyr operations are an illegal practice done by the Palestinians, and with such operations they give Sharon’s government a chance to shed more blood.

Please correct me, as I am really confused and there is much ado everywhere concerning this issue. I would very much appreciate it if you would mention the decisions taken by the Conference concerning martyr operations and the definition of terrorism they reached. May Allah reward you for your efforts in serving the Muslim Ummah. Ameen.

Name of Mufti Islamic Fiqh Council
Content of Reply In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear questioner, thank you very much for having confidence in us, and we implore Allah to guide us all to the best way through which we can serve the Muslim Ummah.

Actually, when it comes to the Palestinian issue, we need to focus on certain important points that we have reiterated in many occasions: injustice breeds contempt and violence; oppression calls for brutal reaction; peace and security should be an aspired goal for all parties to the conflict; Justice represents the rights of all people whatever their race, color and religion.

Issuing a judgment or ruling on a certain case should be done in light of all the facts that surround it. As regard the case at hand, we all see what happens daily in the occupied territories in the sense of atrocities committed daily against the innocent civilians, houses demolished, in addition to all forms of humiliation, which all culminated into a gloomy state of affair, filling the mind with utter despair. These are some of the facts taken into consideration when eminent Muslim scholars describe the resistance operations carried out by the Palestinians as a form of a legitimate Jihad against the usurpers and occupiers. This is not a matter of issuing a license to kill. Rather it echoes voices of people crying for justice.

This is the same principle that serves as a basis for the recent resolution issued by The Islamic Fiqh Council affiliated to the OIC in its fourteenth session, held in Duha (Qatar) 5–13 Dhul-Qi`dah 1423 A.H., 11–16 January 2003 C.E.,

Following is the text of the resolution:


1- Islam dignifies man as a human being, safeguards his rights and protects his honor. Fiqh or Islamic jurisprudence is the first jurisprudence all over the world which really presents local and international legislative codes for human relations both in war and peace times.

2- Terrorism equals illegal aggression, terror, threatening both in material and abstract forms which is practiced by states, groups or individuals against man, his religion, soul, honor, intellect or his property via all means, among which is the spread of corruption on earth.

3- The Islamic Fiqh Council asserts that jihad and martyr operations done to defend the Islamic creed, dignity, freedom and the sovereignty of states is not considered terrorism but a basic form of necessary defense for legitimate rights. Thus the oppressed peoples who are subjected to occupation have the right to seek their freedom via all means possible.

4-The Islamic Fiqh Council stresses that martyr operations are a form of jihad, and carrying out those operations is a legitimate right that has nothing to do with terrorism or suicide. Those operations become obligatory when they become the only way to stop the aggression of the enemy, defeat it, and grievously damage its power.

5-It is not allowed to use terms such as “jihad”, “terrorism”, and “violence”, which have become frequently used by today’s mass media as scientific terms, to mean other connotations beyond their basic well known meanings.

In light of the above, there is no change concerning the Islamic ruling regarding martyr operations as such operations are considered true jihad in the Cause of Allah
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too add some scholars do disagree as aaquail does, but their all right in their own way some see the cup half full and some see it half empty

Aaquil

There is no evidence from the Qur'aan, Sunnah and Understanding of the Salaf quoted in these fatawah and it seems very general in other words...These so called 'marthyr' operations who are they directed against? Innocent Jewish men, women and children or against an army when the Palestinian are being attacked? No rather what is the most common case is children blown to pieces at bus stops waiting to go to school, children and women at school, women and men at cafe's and night clubs. Of course innocent women, children and men amongst the Palestinian Muslim and Christians are also killed, abused and made homeless by the Israeli troops. Evil and injustices are carried out by both sides.

These fatawah you have quoted are general and quite worryingly cover attacks against troops and civilians. The first of which there is no doubt is haraam and wrong. The second can only be accepted in
1. A defensive sense
2. With the go ahead of an Amir (Leader) appointed by the Ulemah (Scholars) of the Sunnah. That Amir having been advised in every specific situation by the Ulemah so not injustice, evil or harm is made widespread.

Not everyone who has a beard, headscarf, thobe and is referred to as Sheikh is in a position to be followed and it is Haraam to follow anyones Fatawah without knowing what evidence he/she followed to come to that conclusion. No evidence...

Aaquil.

moses

astagfirullah

bros your so full of **** and good at twisting
i put these fatwahs up and their for military defensive operations against armies not civilians


u are the yasmin ali bhai brown type of muslims the way u sound

i wont waste my time with u

edited to add u lil weasel

israel doesnt distinguish between civilians and militants, open your eyes and check the bodycount u blinkered uncle tom
we were talking about something else and u need to bring palestinians in to it again, usa doesnt see the difference between innocent iraqi's and militants, go and check the news how many got killed

and check the news how many innocent palestinians got killed and if they want revenge against the israeli;s its their choice and not ours, they can do what they want to avenge their loved ones if they want against an oppresive regime

maybe if your 3 generations of family members were wiped out maybe then u would understand

and dont u ever start on palestine with me, its a subject i hate to discuss makes me bitter , we were speaking about definition of a suicide bomber so dont ever twist my words and go and brush your beard

moses

Quran 2:190-193.

Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Masjid, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression.
Quran 2:190-193

that is common sense! the Qur'aan doesn't tell us to kill innocents, but it tells us that if the enemy comes and attacks us, then we should fight back!

The Quran is very explicit about the justice part of the relationship when God stated in Verse 60:08 "Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just."

Our beloved Prophet objected the killing of women and children, and also the old

Hadith - Al-Muwatta 21.9 (Similar proofs in 21.8, 21.10, and 21.11)
Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi from Ibn Umar that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, saw the corpse of a woman who had been slain in one of the raids, and he disapproved of it and forbade the killing of women and children.


[((Indeed, whoever (intentionally) kills himself, then certainly he will be punished in the Fire of Hell, wherein he shall dwell forever)), [Bukhaaree (5778) and Muslim (109 and 110)]].
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last verse a bomber who goes for military hasnt got an intention to go and commit suicide but to take out the enemy

same as a soldier in our own british army will do , s.a.s my heros will do the same and they know they may never come alive and still go and do it




and why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah, and of those who being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? Men, women and children, whose cry is : "our lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help! " ..... (04-75)

Redkop

Guys this is way off the topic title now and going nowhere. Sorry thread closed.