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16 September 2004, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by popeye
I honestly think that these jokers have completely lost touch with reality.
The right to kill a fox is worth fighting the police and storming parliament for?
They need to get some sense of perspective and get a grip. According to the CA, they've had a whole range of moans about farmers and the way the government treats the countryside, so why is it that this one issue about killing animals for fun has them frothing at the mouth and completely losing the plot, crying like some baby that's had it's dummy taken away? Grown adults screaming and bawling about their "right" to chase foxes. It was embarassing to watch.
Go drag hunting. The fox is out of the equation and everyone's happy. No jobs lost, no hounds destroyed etc. Sorted.
They seem so full of themselves that they're totally agasht that an elected government can dare to do anything that they don't agree with. I really hope the law comes down like a ton of bricks on those clowns yesterday who seem to think that a government elected by the people can be bullied and hysterically shouted at by selfish dolts expressing a minority opinion. I'm sick of listening to their nonsense. What are our democratic processes coming to if people are allowed to do that? If trying to bully the constitution is the tactic the CA are adopting, I think the next time they turn up with their silly T-shirts and placards, the police should just steam in and start liberally applying some serious baton.
The right to kill a fox is worth fighting the police and storming parliament for?
They need to get some sense of perspective and get a grip. According to the CA, they've had a whole range of moans about farmers and the way the government treats the countryside, so why is it that this one issue about killing animals for fun has them frothing at the mouth and completely losing the plot, crying like some baby that's had it's dummy taken away? Grown adults screaming and bawling about their "right" to chase foxes. It was embarassing to watch.
Go drag hunting. The fox is out of the equation and everyone's happy. No jobs lost, no hounds destroyed etc. Sorted.
They seem so full of themselves that they're totally agasht that an elected government can dare to do anything that they don't agree with. I really hope the law comes down like a ton of bricks on those clowns yesterday who seem to think that a government elected by the people can be bullied and hysterically shouted at by selfish dolts expressing a minority opinion. I'm sick of listening to their nonsense. What are our democratic processes coming to if people are allowed to do that? If trying to bully the constitution is the tactic the CA are adopting, I think the next time they turn up with their silly T-shirts and placards, the police should just steam in and start liberally applying some serious baton.
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16 September 2004, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by popeye
Your basic claim here is that animal cruelty for sport is perfectly acceptable and that people should be left alone to practice it. Presumably you'd argue passionatley for the return of Pit-bull and **** fighting?
Another fox-hunting dork with no grip on reality.
If "rural people" were capable of showing the same respect twoards animals as urban people, they wouldn't have to.
Another fox-hunting dork with no grip on reality.
If "rural people" were capable of showing the same respect twoards animals as urban people, they wouldn't have to.
Ever killed a wasp?? It is something that has been practised in the country for many years. A vast majority of the time nothing is caught and the whole day gives Jeremy a chance to boast about his new Range Rover to Smythe and his fellow peers whilst riding around on a horse.
My argument.....There are more pressing issues in the world.
P.S. Foxes shred chickens to pieces don't they.
As for calling me a "dork"...thank you, very civil.
16 September 2004, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Politically Correct intolerance, backed up with Marshall Law. Now we’re getting to the true kernel of the nitty-gritty. LOL
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16 September 2004, 12:06 PM
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Foxes shred chickens to pieces don't they.
The guy's right about you being a dork by the looks of things
16 September 2004, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SiPie
where as humans just fill them with antibiotics, keeping them in brutal areas, then kill them too
The guy's right about you being a dork by the looks of things
The guy's right about you being a dork by the looks of things
Foxes are cuddley, chickens are deemed "less important".....not by me though.
So, again my point being there are bigger issues than hunting.
This is also a debate so please save nam-calling for children in the playground.
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16 September 2004, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
Ever killed a wasp?? It is something that has been practised in the country for many years. A vast majority of the time nothing is caught and the whole day gives Jeremy a chance to boast about his new Range Rover to Smythe and his fellow peers whilst riding around on a horse.
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My argument.....There are more pressing issues in the world.
Originally Posted by Senior_AP
P.S. Foxes shred chickens to pieces don't they.
Originally Posted by Senior_AP
As for calling me a "dork"...thank you, very civil.
16 September 2004, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by popeye
Is fox-hunting an effective pest control or not? Make your mind up please.
Agreed. So why not let the democratically elected government, which has voted for hunting's abolition on numerous occasions, get the legislation through so we can concentrate on the more "pressing issues". It is no good bleating about the amount of time this is taking up, whilst you are on the side of those who wish to drag the issue out.
You've lost me - what is your point here?
If you are going to single out my posts, then at least try and give me some credible points of view, and not just utter rubbish.
Agreed. So why not let the democratically elected government, which has voted for hunting's abolition on numerous occasions, get the legislation through so we can concentrate on the more "pressing issues". It is no good bleating about the amount of time this is taking up, whilst you are on the side of those who wish to drag the issue out.
You've lost me - what is your point here?
If you are going to single out my posts, then at least try and give me some credible points of view, and not just utter rubbish.
Another case of "I'm right, you're wrong" (on your part).
I will debate with people that wish to debate - not just have an opinion, which in their mind is total fact and absolutely correct.
I don't agree fox-hunting should be banned, you are right that I am wrong. We'll leave it at that.
16 September 2004, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Politically Correct intolerance, backed up with Marshall Law. Now we’re getting to the true kernel of the nitty-gritty. LOL
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16 September 2004, 12:16 PM
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I also don't believe that the Pro-hunters wish this to be dragged out, on the contrary.
Their point is they wish to be left alone by these hypocritical protestors with far too much time on their hands. However, I'm sure their heart is in the right place though a hypocritical and flawed argument will hopefully prove to be their eventual un-doing.
Their point is they wish to be left alone by these hypocritical protestors with far too much time on their hands. However, I'm sure their heart is in the right place though a hypocritical and flawed argument will hopefully prove to be their eventual un-doing.
16 September 2004, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
Another case of "I'm right, you're wrong" (on your part).
I will debate with people that wish to debate - not just have an opinion, which in their mind is total fact and absolutely correct.
I don't agree fox-hunting should be banned, you are right that I am wrong. We'll leave it at that.
I will debate with people that wish to debate - not just have an opinion, which in their mind is total fact and absolutely correct.
I don't agree fox-hunting should be banned, you are right that I am wrong. We'll leave it at that.
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...=362096&page=3
It's not my fault if you haven't got the ammunition to back up your side of the argument.
16 September 2004, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TaviaRS
popeye, did you agree with the poll tax?
16 September 2004, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by popeye
I'm more than prepared to debate this with you. Most of my reasons for wanting the abolition of hunting are here:
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...=362096&page=3
It's not my fault if you haven't got the ammunition to back up your side of the argument.
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...=362096&page=3
It's not my fault if you haven't got the ammunition to back up your side of the argument.
Ammunition? I have an opinion, it differs from yours. It's not "nice" what happens to a fox when they get caught (very rarely) but there are many, many things that are not "nice" in this world. On the list of important things - this is pretty low.
Its a big world and all this waste of time, effort and resource on such a nothingy (nothingy, nothing-ey, err...however) subject is just becoming boring now.
16 September 2004, 12:25 PM
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If you want the abolition of hunting then ok - I see your arguments and appreciate them.
I do not feel this important enough to waste as much government time as has been wasted so far.
2 opinions, 2 reasons. "I" can accept the opinions of others. I'll say no more.
I do not feel this important enough to waste as much government time as has been wasted so far.
2 opinions, 2 reasons. "I" can accept the opinions of others. I'll say no more.
16 September 2004, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
Ammunition? I have an opinion, it differs from yours. It's not "nice" what happens to a fox when they get caught (very rarely) but there are many, many things that are not "nice" in this world. On the list of important things - this is pretty low.
Its a big world and all this waste of time, effort and resource on such a nothingy (nothingy, nothing-ey, err...however) subject is just becoming boring now.
Its a big world and all this waste of time, effort and resource on such a nothingy (nothingy, nothing-ey, err...however) subject is just becoming boring now.
16 September 2004, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TaviaRS
Nothing whatsoever 
Just wondered about your views on the poll tax and the associated protests, ditto the miners strike...
TIA
Just wondered about your views on the poll tax and the associated protests, ditto the miners strike...
TIA
Nice try. I'll stick to the topic, thank you.
16 September 2004, 12:30 PM
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Daily Mail today has a two page spread of bleeding people. One thing that confuses me is they're all bleeding from the front, surely if an officer of the law is waving a baton and telling you to move away you turn around and go.
I was rather annoyed at the invasion of the House of Commons. I'd have been happier if they'd been run through with a sword or shot. Same for the bloke on Buckingham Palace. The more extreme groups will take advantage of the slap on the wrists the wrong doers will get.
I was rather annoyed at the invasion of the House of Commons. I'd have been happier if they'd been run through with a sword or shot. Same for the bloke on Buckingham Palace. The more extreme groups will take advantage of the slap on the wrists the wrong doers will get.
16 September 2004, 12:35 PM
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But popeye, it is relevant, albeit slightly off the topic.
Unless I'm misreading what you typed (a possibility) then you would have supported both of those measures by the government;
OK, so I paraphrased it but what you are in essence saying is that the government, being duly elected can do what the hell it wants, regardless of the fact that due to voter apathy probably less than 50% of the electorate actually voted.
Wow, you really are a politician's wet dream.
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Unless I'm misreading what you typed (a possibility) then you would have supported both of those measures by the government;
So why not let the democratically elected government.... get the legislation through
Wow, you really are a politician's wet dream.
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16 September 2004, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by popeye
I also posed a question to your claim that foxes get caught "very rarely" line. ?
So if they got caught more often then it would be "an effective form of pest control" ??
16 September 2004, 12:39 PM
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The oxymoronity of it all is that those very same people who claim that the coppers have one hand tied behind their back due to 'polictical correctness gone mad' are now saying the police were OTT for carrying out their job!
Next time, the cops should bring their dogs and set them on these thugs for undermining the law and order on our streets. That'll make for a nice bit of ironic humour!
Next time, the cops should bring their dogs and set them on these thugs for undermining the law and order on our streets. That'll make for a nice bit of ironic humour!
16 September 2004, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
So if they got caught more often then it would be "an effective form of pest control" ??
16 September 2004, 12:41 PM
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SO basically having read this thread the Townies feel it is ok to beat up Countryside Protesters, but not to mistreat nice cuddly foxes.
Foxes are pests, in the same way Rats are. I dont care how a Rat is treated and the same goes for the Fox. They rip other animals to pieces (we had 2 geese shredded by foxes), so why can they not be killed in the same way ?
This all comes down to Urban people thinking of Basil Brush and little cuddly foxes on animal hospital etc. They are vermin.
But these people are not protesting just for the right to kill foxes - they are protesting for the right to keep their livelihoods.
If only Labour put so much effort into saving our soldiers lives in Iraq, or Farmers in Zimbabwe I may accept it. BUt foxes lives are far more important obviously.
Foxes are pests, in the same way Rats are. I dont care how a Rat is treated and the same goes for the Fox. They rip other animals to pieces (we had 2 geese shredded by foxes), so why can they not be killed in the same way ?
This all comes down to Urban people thinking of Basil Brush and little cuddly foxes on animal hospital etc. They are vermin.
But these people are not protesting just for the right to kill foxes - they are protesting for the right to keep their livelihoods.
If only Labour put so much effort into saving our soldiers lives in Iraq, or Farmers in Zimbabwe I may accept it. BUt foxes lives are far more important obviously.
16 September 2004, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by TaviaRS
But popeye, it is relevant, albeit slightly off the topic.
Unless I'm misreading what you typed (a possibility) then you would have supported both of those measures by the government;
OK, so I paraphrased it but what you are in essence saying is that the government, being duly elected can do what the hell it wants, regardless of the fact that due to voter apathy probably less than 50% of the electorate actually voted.
Wow, you really are a politician's wet dream.
Byeeee
Unless I'm misreading what you typed (a possibility) then you would have supported both of those measures by the government;
OK, so I paraphrased it but what you are in essence saying is that the government, being duly elected can do what the hell it wants, regardless of the fact that due to voter apathy probably less than 50% of the electorate actually voted.
Wow, you really are a politician's wet dream.
Byeeee
16 September 2004, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by popeye
One of the arguments the pro lobby uses is that fox-hunting *needs* to happen to control the fox population. You however, claimed that foxes are rarely caught on a hunt. Which one of these statements is true?
Its not a particulary viable pest control, it helps but its minimal.
16 September 2004, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by dtriggs
But these people are not protesting just for the right to kill foxes - they are protesting for the right to keep their livelihoods.
When we weren't talking about *maybe* 5-8000 jobs, but hundreds of thousands?
16 September 2004, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dtriggs
Foxes are pests, in the same way Rats are. I dont care how a Rat is treated and the same goes for the Fox. They rip other animals to pieces (we had 2 geese shredded by foxes), so why can they not be killed in the same way ?
16 September 2004, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
Rarely caught.
Its not a particulary viable pest control, it helps but its minimal.
Its not a particulary viable pest control, it helps but its minimal.
16 September 2004, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by popeye
Are you actually going to tackle any of the points I've raised?
You clearly have it all worked out. I do not vant my name on ‘ze list’. A bit of rural Ethnic Cleanzing to purge ze countryside of ze vile scum that are ze indigenous people's of zis country vould zeem to be ze order of ze day. Vether to then bury them in ze large pits or burn them in ze incinerators vould zeem to be ze only choices left to be made.
Zeig Heil!! Let Blair’s Black Shirted hoardes march on!! “ans, zwa, drai, viere… ans, zwa, drai, viere…”
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Popeye - no need for comments like that - what I am saying is I dont care how any Vermin are dealt with. I dont consider Pet Dogs to be vermin.
I see you carefully avoid the point that Foxes just arent that important and people are.
In 1984 the Miners werent wrong to protest either. What's yr point ?
I see you carefully avoid the point that Foxes just arent that important and people are.
In 1984 the Miners werent wrong to protest either. What's yr point ?
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