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Originally Posted by popeye
Thank you. Perhaps you would be good enough to explain this to the CA leadership, who have been telling us that fox-hunting is a very effective means of controlling the fox population. I admire your honesty.
Not sure that this is exactly controlling a problem, quite the reverse in fact; it perpetuates it.
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
I wouldn't dream of it. You clearly have it all worked out. I do not vant my name on ‘ze list’.
A bit of rural Ethnic Cleanzing to purge ze countryside of ze vile scum that are ze indigenous people's of zis country vould zeem to be ze order of ze day. Vether to then bury them in ze large pits or burn them in ze incinerators vould zeem to be ze only choices left to be made.
Zeig Heil!! Let Blair’s Black Shirted hoardes march on!! “ans, zwa, drai, viere… ans, zwa, drai, viere…”
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A bit of rural Ethnic Cleanzing to purge ze countryside of ze vile scum that are ze indigenous people's of zis country vould zeem to be ze order of ze day. Vether to then bury them in ze large pits or burn them in ze incinerators vould zeem to be ze only choices left to be made.
Zeig Heil!! Let Blair’s Black Shirted hoardes march on!! “ans, zwa, drai, viere… ans, zwa, drai, viere…”
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Face it loser, you start these "why oh why" posts but don't have the nouse to follow through any arguments. Never mind eh? 5000+ plus posts. I'm sure you make a great conversationalist down the pub.
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Originally Posted by dtriggs
Foxes are pests, in the same way Rats are. I dont care how a Rat is treated and the same goes for the Fox. They rip other animals to pieces (we had 2 geese shredded by foxes), so why can they not be killed in the same way ?
This all comes down to Urban people thinking of Basil Brush and little cuddly foxes on animal hospital etc. They are vermin.
This all comes down to Urban people thinking of Basil Brush and little cuddly foxes on animal hospital etc. They are vermin.
I don't think the issue is the killing of the fox, it's the way its done. I would imagine not a lot of people would object to a fox being blasted with a shotgun, which of course is far easier, cheaper and a hundred times more effective.
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Originally Posted by popeye
Oh I'm a ****! What a card you are! Nurse, come quickly, my sides appear to have split.
Face it loser, you start these "why oh why" posts but don't have the nouse to follow through any arguments. Never mind eh? 5000+ plus posts. I'm sure you make a great conversationalist down the pub.
Face it loser, you start these "why oh why" posts but don't have the nouse to follow through any arguments. Never mind eh? 5000+ plus posts. I'm sure you make a great conversationalist down the pub.
Not at all. You come across as a very well balanced and rational chap. lol
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Originally Posted by dtriggs
I see you carefully avoid the point that Foxes just arent that important and people are.
Originally Posted by dtriggs
In 1984 the Miners werent wrong to protest either. What's yr point ?
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The main problem here is not the fact that it is fox hunting...it is the fact that the government is
1) Using it as an attempt to gain more votes in a period in which they have lost trust from the majority of the nation...with the exception of some of the blinkered on here.
2) Pushing through this case, bypassing the house of lords...why would they do this? because they know the house of lords would dismiss it!!!...and like it or not, the house of lords share the same view of a sizeable proportion of the population....hence this ******* government are pushing towards a dictatorship....nobody can argue with that as it's the truth.
back onto the issue of fox hunting. We have chickens, and a fox will not come and kill one or two chickens to eat....it'll come and kill 50 of them, and take one away to eat. Foxes are not cuddly! if some of you are going to spout drivvel about animal rights!!! what about the chickens? and the lambs? geese?....the dogs are doing no worse than what the fox does to the farmers' animals.
1) Using it as an attempt to gain more votes in a period in which they have lost trust from the majority of the nation...with the exception of some of the blinkered on here.
2) Pushing through this case, bypassing the house of lords...why would they do this? because they know the house of lords would dismiss it!!!...and like it or not, the house of lords share the same view of a sizeable proportion of the population....hence this ******* government are pushing towards a dictatorship....nobody can argue with that as it's the truth.
back onto the issue of fox hunting. We have chickens, and a fox will not come and kill one or two chickens to eat....it'll come and kill 50 of them, and take one away to eat. Foxes are not cuddly! if some of you are going to spout drivvel about animal rights!!! what about the chickens? and the lambs? geese?....the dogs are doing no worse than what the fox does to the farmers' animals.
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Not at all. You come across as a very well balanced and rational chap. lol
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Originally Posted by dtriggs
Popeye - no need for comments like that - what I am saying is I dont care how any Vermin are dealt with. I dont consider Pet Dogs to be vermin.
I see you carefully avoid the point that Foxes just arent that important and people are.
In 1984 the Miners werent wrong to protest either. What's yr point ?
I see you carefully avoid the point that Foxes just arent that important and people are.
In 1984 the Miners werent wrong to protest either. What's yr point ?
*Now* they're worried about the rule of law, democracy, and police brutality, despite the fact that the government couldn't have a clearer mandate for their actions. But it only bothers them when it suits, as usual.
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Originally Posted by popeye
Don't vorry - I aczept your vite flag of surrender, and under ze Geneva convention, you vill be treated fairly.
(ans, zwa, drai, viere… ans, zwa, drai, viere… )
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
That's what they all say, until the cattle trucks are wheeled out.
(ans, zwa, drai, viere… ans, zwa, drai, viere… )
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Originally Posted by Kyl3cook
2) Pushing through this case, bypassing the house of lords...why would they do this? because they know the house of lords would dismiss it!!!...and like it or not, the house of lords share the same view of a sizeable proportion of the population....hence this ******* government are pushing towards a dictatorship....nobody can argue with that as it's the truth.
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Originally Posted by popeye
I'm going to have a replica of your head mounted above my fireplace, next to that of pslewis.
You were also Sti_Shrek and Prince Popeye?
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This has nothing to do with civil liberties. Unless you're saying that if someone shaggeed my girlfriend and I was enraged enough to want to kill them for it that it would be an erosion of my civil liberties to have a law preventing me doing so..
How come so many of the posters who are shouting out the "you can't pass a law like this, it is just a repression of my civil liberties," are much the same type who give the "well, it's your own fault for speeding. I hope they ban you. A law's a law," type responses to a post where someone's asking if the speeding camera that flashed them is just after the revenue?
You know what I'm saying.
You can't have it all ways up you know.
Fox hunting is soon to be against the law. Get over it. It's neither amusing or pleasant anyway so where's the loss? Pest control? B*llocks - Urban foxes are pests too and I don't see them being hunted down by Wilberforce Poncenby and his fellow inbreds. Natural culling? Again b*llocks - as previously stated, only the weak are caught so it strengthens the fox community, hardly the claim that the protesters are making.
IMO anyone who protests in the manner they did yesterday deserves all they get. I don't have that much sympathy for the police community but I would have to say they were left with no choice yesterday.
At the end of the day we elect a government to make these decisions for us. Vote for someone else if you don't like it.
How come so many of the posters who are shouting out the "you can't pass a law like this, it is just a repression of my civil liberties," are much the same type who give the "well, it's your own fault for speeding. I hope they ban you. A law's a law," type responses to a post where someone's asking if the speeding camera that flashed them is just after the revenue?
You know what I'm saying.
You can't have it all ways up you know.
Fox hunting is soon to be against the law. Get over it. It's neither amusing or pleasant anyway so where's the loss? Pest control? B*llocks - Urban foxes are pests too and I don't see them being hunted down by Wilberforce Poncenby and his fellow inbreds. Natural culling? Again b*llocks - as previously stated, only the weak are caught so it strengthens the fox community, hardly the claim that the protesters are making.
IMO anyone who protests in the manner they did yesterday deserves all they get. I don't have that much sympathy for the police community but I would have to say they were left with no choice yesterday.
At the end of the day we elect a government to make these decisions for us. Vote for someone else if you don't like it.
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Originally Posted by popeye
I'm going to have a replica of your head mounted above my fireplace, next to that of pslewis.
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Originally Posted by Kyl3cook
Pushing through this case, bypassing the house of lords...why would they do this? because they know the house of lords would dismiss it!!!...and like it or not, the house of lords share the same view of a sizeable proportion of the population....hence this ******* government are pushing towards a dictatorship....nobody can argue with that as it's the truth.
Look, the government have a mandate for this, OK? They offered this to the public, the public accepted, and they're carrying out their side of the bargain. *Surely* you can't disagree with this.
The House of Lords has held no power other than to delay legislation since the Parliament Act of 1911, following the rejection of Lloyd George's 1909 Budget. You know, the one that wanted to do such terrible things as establish and fund an Old Age Pension, and carry out some much-needed wealth redistribution.
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Originally Posted by akshay67
Hey mate, are you the same Popeye I used to have run-ins with in the Current World Events forum?
You were also Sti_Shrek and Prince Popeye?
You were also Sti_Shrek and Prince Popeye?
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Originally Posted by popeye
Apparently there was some goon called popeye P1 or something. I however, am the original and best.
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No. This has been asked elsewhere. I haven't posted on here in yonks. Apparently there was some goon called popeye P1 or something. I however, am the original and best.
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Originally Posted by akshay67
Right! That makes sense...since that one was barely able to string a sentence of comprehensible English. He also had great difficulty in putting some logic behind his arguement: a position I'm sure you could attribute to others.
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Oh well.
From reading most of this thread it is pitifully clear that this country is turning into a nation of "cutesy-wutesy" bunny-huggers. Who actually gives a **** if the animal suffers? Where do we draw the line? Fishing is going to be the next point of attack for the fluffy brigade I can promise you and then how much of an issue will this become?
As far as I am concerned as a voter and a tax payer I am thoroughly disgusted by the sheer amount of time, money and effort that this bill has received in an age where someone can attack you or your family, rob your house, steal your car and get F. All for doing it. And I don't give a flying F. about the argument of foxes suffering either, because after looking at the issue from an independant standpoint over the last few years, I can say that in 90% of cases the dogs will kill the fox much faster than your average farmer with a shotgun, which is what you will now have. In fact, in 99% of hunts that I have observed (yes I actually went to find out for myself) the fox never even gets caught.
So it's one for the pointless brigade and nil for the real issues in the country. Well done to Tony Blair and co for wasting a couple of hundred million more of my tax money.
From reading most of this thread it is pitifully clear that this country is turning into a nation of "cutesy-wutesy" bunny-huggers. Who actually gives a **** if the animal suffers? Where do we draw the line? Fishing is going to be the next point of attack for the fluffy brigade I can promise you and then how much of an issue will this become?
As far as I am concerned as a voter and a tax payer I am thoroughly disgusted by the sheer amount of time, money and effort that this bill has received in an age where someone can attack you or your family, rob your house, steal your car and get F. All for doing it. And I don't give a flying F. about the argument of foxes suffering either, because after looking at the issue from an independant standpoint over the last few years, I can say that in 90% of cases the dogs will kill the fox much faster than your average farmer with a shotgun, which is what you will now have. In fact, in 99% of hunts that I have observed (yes I actually went to find out for myself) the fox never even gets caught.
So it's one for the pointless brigade and nil for the real issues in the country. Well done to Tony Blair and co for wasting a couple of hundred million more of my tax money.
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Originally Posted by Twigster
So it's one for the pointless brigade and nil for the real issues in the country. Well done to Tony Blair and co for wasting a couple of hundred million more of my tax money.
One wonders what will be next. Looking at European 20th century history you do have to wonder were we will end up. We already have enough bloody cctv camera's blighting our landscape to make most dictatorship's green with envy but, of course, that's "ok" because they are there for "our safety" now we face the spectre of ID cards
What else are "we" the UK citizens going to apathetically let go because it's "for our safety" "our own good" etc etc...
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Originally Posted by popeye
Indeed. Regard any post on this thread by "unclebuck". A pox upon his half-witted nonsense. Surely he needs to spend more time away from his computer talking to people, such that he should not talk such laughable drivel.
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Originally Posted by Twigster
Oh well.
From reading most of this thread it is pitifully clear that this country is turning into a nation of "cutesy-wutesy" bunny-huggers. Who actually gives a **** if the animal suffers?
From reading most of this thread it is pitifully clear that this country is turning into a nation of "cutesy-wutesy" bunny-huggers. Who actually gives a **** if the animal suffers?
<shakes head>
For the one billionth time, your argument here is that everyone should be allowed to be cruel to animals. *Anyone* with an IQ of above say 5, knows this is not acceptable in a civilised society.
Originally Posted by Twigster
Where do we draw the line? Fishing is going to be the next point of attack for the fluffy brigade I can promise you and then how much of an issue will this become?
Originally Posted by Twigster
As far as I am concerned as a voter and a tax payer I am thoroughly disgusted by the sheer amount of time, money and effort that this bill has received
Originally Posted by Twigster
because after looking at the issue from an independant standpoint over the last few years, I can say that in 90% of cases the dogs will kill the fox much faster than your average farmer with a shotgun, which is what you will now have.
Originally Posted by Twigster
In fact, in 99% of hunts that I have observed (yes I actually went to find out for myself) the fox never even gets caught.
<shakes head again>
Originally Posted by Twigster
So it's one for the pointless brigade and nil for the real issues in the country. Well done to Tony Blair and co for wasting a couple of hundred million more of my tax money.
Right, it's late here so I'm going to retire as I can feel my brain starting to atrophy whilst reading this appalling toss.
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Originally Posted by ajm
Tell me popeye, what is it that makes a user with less than 200 posts to his name in 4 years suddenly rise from the depths of obscurity and find his voice in such an overt and provocative manner?
Good night. (It's late here). I'll address anymore nonsense tomorrow.
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Look, the government have a mandate for this, OK? They offered this to the public, the public accepted, and they're carrying out their side of the bargain. *Surely* you can't disagree with this.
The House of Lords has held no power other than to delay legislation since the Parliament Act of 1911, following the rejection of Lloyd George's 1909 Budget. You know, the one that wanted to do such terrible things as establish and fund an Old Age Pension, and carry out some much-needed wealth redistribution.
Look, the government have a mandate for this, OK? They offered this to the public, the public accepted, and they're carrying out their side of the bargain. *Surely* you can't disagree with this.
The House of Lords has held no power other than to delay legislation since the Parliament Act of 1911, following the rejection of Lloyd George's 1909 Budget. You know, the one that wanted to do such terrible things as establish and fund an Old Age Pension, and carry out some much-needed wealth redistribution.
The ban on fox hunting had already been thrown out once, so they come back for another attempt. I see that the majority in favour of the ban this time around was 180 ish...bit of a tunraround heh....I'm sure that has nothing to do with the government giving them two options?!?...and where the bloody hell were these voters? there must have been all of 20 people in the room at the time. You have your views, which seem to be that the country folk are barbaric toffs and should all be locked away...when in fact, I beleive the traditions of this country revolve around the counrtyside, and what we used to be....not some jumped up little man who is trying to decide what they should and shouldn't do, whithout giving anyone a chance to state their opinions.
I bet you were against the poll tax too, and you're in favour of income related tax?!? I don't know you, so I won't judge!
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Originally Posted by popeye
What's happened in the UK? Has an IQ-lowering device been detonated or something?.
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Thank you. Perhaps you would be good enough to explain this to the CA leadership, who have been telling us that fox-hunting is a very effective means of controlling the fox population. I admire your honesty.
Due to the fact its just a hooraar henry way of having fun and there are soooo many jobs at risk if it is banned, I support its legality on the grounds of that very fact.
They talk **** when it comes to "pest control" they know thats ****e as do you and I. Its a sport, they have a day out and it creates/maintains jobs.
So few foxes are caught - - - that's why I can't believe all the hype.
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I'm in an argumentative mood, and experience tells me the best place to find clueless nobbers spouting crap is Scoobynet. It whiles away some time whilst I'm bored.
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Originally Posted by popeye
I'm in an argumentative mood, and experience tells me the best place to find clueless nobbers spouting crap is Scoobynet. It whiles away some time whilst I'm bored.
Good night. (It's late here). I'll address anymore nonsense tomorrow.
Good night. (It's late here). I'll address anymore nonsense tomorrow.
Let me guess, you work for a Multi National (Oil Company?) in some idillic location, and have an asian girlfriend who likes a good spanking. I feel quite sure that you will also be an enthusiastic masterbator (though it seems from you posts though that you may have missed out on this particular activity for a while).
BTW I think you'll find that the only clueless nobber spouting crap is on this thread will be... you
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