WR1 RR Power Graph
06 August 2004, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyBurns
Well about 5.30 
but its a nice quite trip out at that time in the morning (not too much traffic 
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Tony
but its a nice quite trip out at that time in the morning (not too much traffic )Tony
06 August 2004, 07:46 PM
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Im sorry mate, but to get that kind of BHP and Torque from a Standard WR1 is Rubish, its not for real !!
If you really feel its right bring your WR1 to our Rolling Road WR1 shoot out and if its More than 10 BHP more than others Ill buy you a Burger and Coffee mate !!!
The Gauntlet has been laid.....
shhhhhhhhh
If you really feel its right bring your WR1 to our Rolling Road WR1 shoot out and if its More than 10 BHP more than others Ill buy you a Burger and Coffee mate !!!
The Gauntlet has been laid.....
shhhhhhhhh
06 August 2004, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian the Sn@il
Im sorry mate, but to get that kind of BHP and Torque from a Standard WR1 is Rubish, its not for real !!
If you really feel its right bring your WR1 to our Rolling Road WR1 shoot out and if its More than 10 BHP more than others Ill buy you a Burger and Coffee mate !!!
The Gauntlet has been laid.....
shhhhhhhhh
If you really feel its right bring your WR1 to our Rolling Road WR1 shoot out and if its More than 10 BHP more than others Ill buy you a Burger and Coffee mate !!!
The Gauntlet has been laid.....
shhhhhhhhh
06 August 2004, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Cold Turkey
but maybe he's got a 'special' WR1 ? that somehow slipped through the net
did someone mention special and slipped through the net...............
it's me it's me
06 August 2004, 09:15 PM
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Tony - I have always accepted that PPP is modified, I never said otherwise. I don't need you to say "got it now" or similar, in some sense thinking that you've persuaded me to your point of view. The discussion was about WR1 RR figures, not whether a WR1 is std or not - that was you being a pedant...
As far as I'm (still) concerned, I bought my PPP from new (the PPP was done before I picked it up from the dealer), comes with a warranty and is just fine for me. You've still yet to explain what the problem is for me in having this particular "modified" car (MY03 STI PPP). As far as I can see, there's none. You made your choice, I made mine. You seem to have a rather too purist view on these things. I don't think I'm alone in being baffled and slightly narked by your emails.
As far as I'm (still) concerned, I bought my PPP from new (the PPP was done before I picked it up from the dealer), comes with a warranty and is just fine for me. You've still yet to explain what the problem is for me in having this particular "modified" car (MY03 STI PPP). As far as I can see, there's none. You made your choice, I made mine. You seem to have a rather too purist view on these things. I don't think I'm alone in being baffled and slightly narked by your emails.
06 August 2004, 10:30 PM
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OK folks just had a PM from Pro Sport and i would rerally like the Owner of this Claimed 330 BHP WR1 to come along to our Rolling Road Shoot out to Prove me Wrong 
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=342683
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=342683
06 August 2004, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian the Sn@il
OK folks just had a PM from Pro Sport and i would rerally like the Owner of this Claimed 330 BHP WR1 to come along to our Rolling Road Shoot out to Prove me Wrong
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=342683
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=342683
in what respect Brian Prosport said it DID make 330 or Didn't???????????
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07 August 2004, 01:51 PM
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After a few Pms last night, i think that wrong things were put forward.
What im trying to say is.
1. Theres nothing Wrong with Pro Sports Set up
2. 330 BHP Seems high for a standard WR1 ( Please Tony mate dont start he standard thing off again )
3. I invited the owner to Norwich to our WR1 RR shoot out not knowing he was based in Liverpool, so i dont blame him from not traelling the distance i know i wouldnt.
I must appologies to Pro Sport if i said anything that was anti Rolling Road.
What im trying to say is.
1. Theres nothing Wrong with Pro Sports Set up
2. 330 BHP Seems high for a standard WR1 ( Please Tony mate dont start he standard thing off again
)3. I invited the owner to Norwich to our WR1 RR shoot out not knowing he was based in Liverpool, so i dont blame him from not traelling the distance i know i wouldnt.
I must appologies to Pro Sport if i said anything that was anti Rolling Road.
07 August 2004, 02:03 PM
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Brian would it not be better 2 wait for the out come of your session on the rollers before doubting Achads figures? You might get a pleasant surprise 2! Won't really get a chance 2 test mine as i'm 2 far from any RR's so i will be watching out for the results from your day with intrest.
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07 August 2004, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian the Sn@il
Come on Guys this is really silly now, who cares if the WR1 is a WR1 or a modded STi8 ???
How many Sti8 in UK form are Baby blue ??
How many Sti8 in UK form are Baby blue ??
07 August 2004, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Brian the Sn@il
Come on Guys this is really silly now, who cares if the WR1 is a WR1 or a modded STi8 ???
It is a modified Solberg Special Edition.
And there isn't such an Impreza as an STI8
07 August 2004, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by THOMO
so there must be a standard WR1 then
Originally Posted by TonyBurns
THOMO, there is, but its not called a WR1
07 August 2004, 02:56 PM
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I organised a rolling Road day at Prosport earlier this year with a group of the most respected tuners and modifiers in the UK Subaru comunity including Bob Rawle, John Banks, Harvey Smith, David Taylor, Stephen Darley etc. These names should be familiar to anyone into tuning these cars.
The conclusion with regards to the rollers was that they matched very closely the readings you would see at Power Engineering and G Force, read aprox 30BHP lower than Well Lane and 30BHP higher than Powerstation on a 350BHP engine, in other words pretty much bang in the middle of the available UK rollers.
Based on the fact the PPP power runs are carried out on Power Engineerings rollers which match very closely the readings you would see at Prosport, it's perfectly acceptable and posible for the WR1 to produce 330BHP, it's only 4.5% higher than the stated production figures, and as the PPP is not a custom map, but an off the shelf plug in package, 4.5% is certainly within posible production tolerence.
Some WR1's will produce higher figures than others, thats the nature of an off the shelf plug in upgrade. You talk with people like Bob Rawle, who know their Subaru engines better than most and he would confirm you get surprising variations in engine performance, even in stock trim, with some taking more ignition than others. Variations in power outputs is normal accross a production run on these engines.
I have spent a fair amount of time on Prosports Rollers with my own STi plus other, less exotic cars such as Peugeot's and the rollers are consistent with their readouts.
So in conclusion, a WR1 producing 330BHP is certainly something i wouldnt be surprised about, as to whether its a modified car or not, it's a pedantic argument, what does it matter, you can only buy the WR1 in one spec and that is with a supplied target of 320PS, which just using common sense is going to have slight variations, both up and down, in terms of power output.
The conclusion with regards to the rollers was that they matched very closely the readings you would see at Power Engineering and G Force, read aprox 30BHP lower than Well Lane and 30BHP higher than Powerstation on a 350BHP engine, in other words pretty much bang in the middle of the available UK rollers.
Based on the fact the PPP power runs are carried out on Power Engineerings rollers which match very closely the readings you would see at Prosport, it's perfectly acceptable and posible for the WR1 to produce 330BHP, it's only 4.5% higher than the stated production figures, and as the PPP is not a custom map, but an off the shelf plug in package, 4.5% is certainly within posible production tolerence.
Some WR1's will produce higher figures than others, thats the nature of an off the shelf plug in upgrade. You talk with people like Bob Rawle, who know their Subaru engines better than most and he would confirm you get surprising variations in engine performance, even in stock trim, with some taking more ignition than others. Variations in power outputs is normal accross a production run on these engines.
I have spent a fair amount of time on Prosports Rollers with my own STi plus other, less exotic cars such as Peugeot's and the rollers are consistent with their readouts.
So in conclusion, a WR1 producing 330BHP is certainly something i wouldnt be surprised about, as to whether its a modified car or not, it's a pedantic argument, what does it matter, you can only buy the WR1 in one spec and that is with a supplied target of 320PS, which just using common sense is going to have slight variations, both up and down, in terms of power output.
07 August 2004, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by s16cut
WHAT A LOAD OF HANDBAGS.....................................
Anyway, I have to admit that Tony is right
07 August 2004, 03:20 PM
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in terms of engine changes, it has a sports cat which is diferent to the normal PPP high flow cat and a modified exhaust system including a new backbox. They also replace the fuel pump and reflash the ECU. The chassis uses 25mm lower springs and flow formed wheels.
The car comes from Japan with the DCCD-A transmition and R180 plated rear diff already installed with its Ice Blue paint job, which is only ever going to be sold on the WR1, you wont see this colour as an option in future in the UK market.
The WR1 is built on the JDM production line which is why it has the 1:1 centre diff dropgears, the normal UK STi is built on a diferent production line shared with Nissan, which is why that car comes with a 1.1:1 centre diff dropgear, because the Nissans built on this production line use the same rear diff, which has a higher final drive ratio.
I dont understand all these arguments about it being standard etc. The car was designed from the outset to a spec put together by Mike Wood based on what he could bring to the UK that would be EU compliant, so the car leaves Japan with all the major components in place. Once in the UK it's posible under a loophole in EU law to then sell the car to customers outside the normal EU compliance regs by using a package such as the WR1 PPP package (which is diferent to the normal PPP).
You cant buy the WR1 PPP package from Prodrive, they wont sell you it. The only way to get this package is by buying a standard from the dealer WR1.
The car comes from Japan with the DCCD-A transmition and R180 plated rear diff already installed with its Ice Blue paint job, which is only ever going to be sold on the WR1, you wont see this colour as an option in future in the UK market.
The WR1 is built on the JDM production line which is why it has the 1:1 centre diff dropgears, the normal UK STi is built on a diferent production line shared with Nissan, which is why that car comes with a 1.1:1 centre diff dropgear, because the Nissans built on this production line use the same rear diff, which has a higher final drive ratio.
I dont understand all these arguments about it being standard etc. The car was designed from the outset to a spec put together by Mike Wood based on what he could bring to the UK that would be EU compliant, so the car leaves Japan with all the major components in place. Once in the UK it's posible under a loophole in EU law to then sell the car to customers outside the normal EU compliance regs by using a package such as the WR1 PPP package (which is diferent to the normal PPP).
You cant buy the WR1 PPP package from Prodrive, they wont sell you it. The only way to get this package is by buying a standard from the dealer WR1.
07 August 2004, 03:29 PM
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Tony/Daz,
OK, you say that a WR1 is a modified Solberg edition, which in turn is a modified STi.
Would you also say that an STi is a modified WRX?
Would you also say that a WRX is a modified standard Turbo?
Would you also say that a standard Turbo is a modified n/a Impreza?
Would you also say that a n/a Impreza is a modified motorbike?
Would you also say that a motorbike is a modified coke can?
Would you, in fact, say that there are no such things as motor vehicles, just modified coke cans?
I'm just trying to see if I have a feel for your argument...
Since you started this in response to Cold Turkey commenting on the figures being on an unmodified WR1, which you took issue with, how would you distinguish, for the purposes of conversation, between a WR1 as delivered by Subaru and one with, say, a changed turbo, intercooler & air filter?
If you deny the existance of the WR1 as a discrete model, are you also under the impression that it is possible to buy a 'standard' Petter Solberg Edition impreza from Subaru UK?
I should point out, in order to forestall any obfuscating comments regarding components being developed by a manufacturer other than Subaru, that Subaru do not, in fact, make 100% of the components of any car they sell. Nor, to my knowledge, does any other car manufacturer in the world. That alone does not in any way categorise a product as being 'modified'.
Cheers.
OK, you say that a WR1 is a modified Solberg edition, which in turn is a modified STi.
Would you also say that an STi is a modified WRX?
Would you also say that a WRX is a modified standard Turbo?
Would you also say that a standard Turbo is a modified n/a Impreza?
Would you also say that a n/a Impreza is a modified motorbike?
Would you also say that a motorbike is a modified coke can?
Would you, in fact, say that there are no such things as motor vehicles, just modified coke cans?
I'm just trying to see if I have a feel for your argument...
Since you started this in response to Cold Turkey commenting on the figures being on an unmodified WR1, which you took issue with, how would you distinguish, for the purposes of conversation, between a WR1 as delivered by Subaru and one with, say, a changed turbo, intercooler & air filter?
If you deny the existance of the WR1 as a discrete model, are you also under the impression that it is possible to buy a 'standard' Petter Solberg Edition impreza from Subaru UK?
I should point out, in order to forestall any obfuscating comments regarding components being developed by a manufacturer other than Subaru, that Subaru do not, in fact, make 100% of the components of any car they sell. Nor, to my knowledge, does any other car manufacturer in the world. That alone does not in any way categorise a product as being 'modified'.
Cheers.