Mad Scientist

I think you should all stop whining like babies, get out in the good weather and enjoy you're cars..................which modified or not are all very nice and enjoyable to drive!

hawkeye

agreed ................ however the age old questions still looms is MY car modified or something special that slipped through.....


eeeeee my dry "cypriot"* humour


*those that know will understand

TonyBurns

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Johnny,

you cant really say that the Solberg car is a modified STi, its more of a developement and a limited edition, the same goes with the WRX/STi, the STi is in practice a completely different car to the wrx, even though it has the same model name/looks etc, its been developed by the manufacturer to do/be something different.
The WR1 itself is a developement of the Solberg car, but an aftermarket one, tuned for more performance, setup for better drivability etc, but what it isnt is a unique model by name (in terms of that it will never really be recognised by Subaru as a whole as being a production car) because its based on the Solberg model (so its actually a Solberg). Similar can be said about the P1 (but its a little more complex as the map is still the one done by STi), its not quite the same as the STi V5 type R, and its not really a developement of it either, its more of an inbetween the STi type R V5 and a WRX type R (which doesnt have the DCCD).
The one thing that both cars are, are UK market cars, ie you only get them here in their final form, warrantied and marketed by Subaru UK, and we are not the only country to do so with similar models.
Hope that makes sense

Tony

Gee WR1

Just a little question but WHY is there so many Wr1 haters out there???
Please i would like 2 know???, did other ltd editions get all this flak???

Thank you johnfelstead, at last a voice that can be listened 2 on this thread!!!

Gee

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Gee,
Im not a WR1 hater, its just that people think its a model in its own right (it is if you get it in the uk but as above the vin plate will still show it as a Solberg).
I did say earlier in this tread that its a modified car (which it is) and stated that the figures were very good for a PPP (which they are).

Tony

Daz34

I don't hate the WR1 at all. I think it is a great car & I for one believe the power claims that Mike Wood & Prodrive make. Not keen on the colour though

As for your argument, Johnny WR1, you are on thinner ice there than the SIAL

Darren

Gee WR1

Yep Tony do remember u saying that way back at the start of the thread, Wasn't having a go at u Just seems like every mention of the Wr1 then gets followed by a load of negative comments??? Been watching this thread from the start & if u notice my post on 1st page i said "Prob get usual negative comments" ooh how right i was

Not worried personally how people wan't 2 classify it modded/standard, in my eyes my car is unmodded as i haven't changed it from dealer spec. But yes it prob can be classed as modded 2

Whatever the Wr1 is here & here 2 stay

End of day it was me that bought 1, I'm more than happy with it

Gee

Brian the Sn@il

Many thanks to John for that info.
To be Honest id never heard of Prosport before and suspected them to be on a advertising trip
Obiously not the case here .

Sorry Prosport

Johnny WR1

I wasn't presenting any argument Daz - I'm just trying to see if I can understand yours.

So Tony, in essence you are saying that, although Subaru UK recognise the WR1 as a production model (as do insurance companies), FHI do not? I understand that, but it's not really relevant. Your choice of terminology precludes the distinction between a standard WR1 (which is a modified coke can), and a modified WR1, which is one that has a different configuration from one fresh out of Quedgeley.

The WR1 is a model in its own right - it has a factory-fitted badge that says so. You cannot buy them in any other configuration - it therefore has a standard. If a car does not deviate from the manufacturer-prescribed standard then, for all intents and purposes (except pedantic argument), it is unmodified. It doesn't matter what they do in other countries or in other parts of the Galaxy. By 'all intents and purposes', I mean things like: Insurance, Warranty, Re-Sale Value, Performance Expectations, Comparison.

The very nature of the Universe determines that everything is a modified something, but that is not a sound basis to challenge natural language. My examples of 'modification' above were meant to highlight that.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter how you think of the WR1, but you should be aware that pretty much everyone else (with perhaps the exception of Daz) would understand the distinction between a modified and an unmodified WR1. If you find that confusing, you should see what this conversation looks like from my side.

johnfelstead

No Problem Brain. Prosport are a long established Subaru Specialist based in Stockport, Greater Manchester. The Majority of work i needed doing on my STi5 RA i couldnt do myself was carried out at Prosport. They have invested heavily in the last 2 years with new workshops that are setup to cater for any model of Subaru be that JDM or UK. It's a company i can personally recomend highly.

NotoriousREV

Yeah, but you didn't turn up till near the end and had a raging hangover

johnfelstead

yep, my mates stag night, wasnt home till gone 4am, so a RR day with the most powerful Impreza's in the UK wasnt a good idea at 9am.

I did all the hard work sorting it out though.

hawkeye

well here's my two penneth

On one hand I agree the wr1 is a car in it's own right and is bought in one spec and you can't get it ppp'd........ because it's already been ppp'd.

So in essence any car with a ppp is modified ie not standard therefore the wr1 is modified from a standard sti (which it is based upon)

having said that they are cracking figures for a ppp'd type car......... methinks prodrive have finally decieded to UNDERSTATE the power output!!!

hawk

S.B.

johnfelstead

Mad Scientist

You lot STILL at it? I've been for a 60 mile blast AND had my tea!!!

SomeDude

And it goes on and on and on...

The WR1 is the best Impreza ever officially on sale in the UK.

The only thing I don't like about it is the color. But that's personal and fluffy.

Apparently, it even does what it says on the tin on the rollers. Now we can discuss rollers for ages until we are blue in the face, and yeah, maybe your car would only get say 295 BHP at Powerstation... big deal.

Kudos for posting up your graph. I bet you didn't expect the **** responses - I did giggle with your Excel comment BTW - you seem to be getting. Or maybe you did.

As much as I enjoy baiting stupid WR1 owners (or dim people with an import who seem to want to feel "above" the rest), this graph is *information*.

Which means you can compare it.

achad

Hi all,
SomeDude, to tell you the truth I was expecting allot more flack then what there's been. But thats prob down to TonyB and the others deflecting the attention with the std debate... As long as my insurers think its std. i really don't give a *&^%

Just to clarify I wasn't posting the graph to prove or disprove anything. Having got the figures that I did, on that day, on though's specific rollers yada yada yada was . The fact of the matter is, to me, I couldn't be more pleased with the car and feel very lucky and privileged to own one. And the colour rules!

Brian,
I wish you and the other WR1's luck at your rolling road. There's more chance of a slightly modded clio beating me then making the 500 mile trip (sorry no disrespect meant, couldn't resist )

Interesting to hear JohnF's comments on the different rr power comparisons. 360ish at Well Lane.... Imagine how well endowed I would be then

16vmarc

At the end of the day your car performs on the road

Brian the Sn@il

No probs mate 500 miles is a bit ott for me to Buy you a Burger and a Coffee

SomeDude

And so you should, and you know what, there was a time most Scooby owners would feel chuffed to bits for you.

I'll ignore your comment about the color

beemer02

my old 02 would still hose on it

16vmarc

Would you chamois after?

Brian the Sn@il

a 1.6L 1982 Cavalier had me away from the lights the other day, took me till 3rd gear to catch up.
Engine Got Bogged down and i had the air con on as well

Should have been ready for him and have the idle set to 4000 Rpm

CraigH

Agreed. Whilst "most" WR1 owners, seem a bit, err, up themselves, it seems not as much as certain import owners

Talk about sad 4nal geeky **** - I'd do you all you Spec C owners in my "TT" so

THOMO

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH DONT LET THAT GET OUT

Bob Rawle

I would second everything JF says about ProSport, my car correlated spot on with Power Engineering and G-Force when I ran there (350/350).

Looking at the graph there seems to have been some slip at circa 42900 (Pete told me he wanted to get the rollers knurled and mine slipped in 4th).

The big dip at 6500 is significant and the ecu has clearly pulled timing big time there, rest of the curve looks good.

What you have to remember is that all cars are different even these, compression ratio is 8.0 plus/minus 0.2 as spec and this will make an enormous difference to any individual results, if the WR1 is custom mapped (and it probably is/should be) then this should be catered for but that dip signifies a VE event and is a typical thing on some cars.

So in reality, assuming some slip at 4200, you should forget about that blip so torque is more like 300 ft lbs, in any event its a very good result.

I probably missed this but what fuel was used ?

cheers

bob

vulnax999

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Wow, these WR1's rev, don't they.
Slip at 42900 rpm ....

By the way, whats a VE event ?

Neil

Bob Rawle

Its what happens at 42900 rpm ... lol

ok should read 4200.

A VE event is when the volumetric efficiency of the engine improves to the extent that it leans out significantly, there are actually four such areas of occurance for a 2 litre this being one of them, to accomodate you should add fuel and adjust timing appropriately to allow a smooth power transition through it. 2.5 litre engines have different points to the 2 litre as a comment for interest. To see that much dip indicates maybe 6 degrees of ignition retard in that area. A quick check with Flash2002 would clarify it. (assuming the ecu code is based on something std).

bob

achad

Hi Bob,

The fuel is just plain Optimax.
Milage was 5000 miles and she was run in by the book and then a little more.

I know its prob going to be just a personal preference but would you use a dose of booster as well? As you have stated, the ecu pulled the timing high up the rev range and I'm curious should this happen on the road would a better class of fuel help things out?

Regardless of actual output, the car (to me) drives smooth and strong. I just wanted (since i was there anywayz) to put her on the rr now she's pretty much run in to make doubly sure everything was what it should be. You say 'in any event its a very good result' so i take its she's going well?

Thanks Anthony