well done to all the scooby boys makes me feel quite proud when they beat some seemingly more expensive marks out there espesh Andy.F.

Cheers Darren.

 

Don't get me wrong, I think is was a really good showing, it just kind of looked like there were half a dozen Scooby's batteling 50 Evo's (and Skylines)

As I said earlier, 100% respect to anyone that competes, I was not there competing so who am I to comment after all.

But I'm a Scooby nut and I want us to blow them away not just show well my car will be ready by next years event (i'm into 1/4 mile and top speed) I was simply throwing ideas around as to how the Scooby "family" could do better not only at TOTB but other Evo dominated events

Cheers

Simon

btw - if you want to run 200 you'll need circa 25mph per 1k rpm (assuming 8k rev limit) your power peak will need to be circa 7700rpm and it will need to be quite a lot of power too

The UK 6MT ha the "right" gearing for this

 

To do 200 would need significantly more power given the disproportionate wind drag on the car. We changed to a JDM six speed from the Eurospec because since a 5th change was to be made in any case we wanted to maximise the acceleration thro that gear, peaking at 7300 ish end of quarter. On the single top speed run we did was allocated speed of 177.1 however revs peaked at 8160 which equates to 184.6, given the rpm limit set of 8700 we had a potential of 196.8. The best 1/4 time of 10.85 was set with 5 gear shifts btw, datalogs show we did better than that but both runs were on the left and in both cases we were given times of 13 point something .... NOT !!.

Anyway I think that it was a brilliant effort by all concerned with all the Scoobies, I know Haldor would have been more than happy to be part of the 22B team but there was an erroneous perception that the team had already been chosen, since he was shipping car and family over for the event a private entry was sorted out.

I know he and Gulli (son who was driving) are absolutely delighted with the day and having nothing but good things to say about everyone they met and chatted to.

bob

 

It was difficult to be sure how well anyone was doing with the display that they had, but I thought I'd said as much with regard to Scooby performance, there were some top Scooby's doing some real impressive 1/4 times. I couldn't tell you how well the scooby's did in any other event as it was near impossible to actually find out what was going on throughout the day.

As I've said elsewhere an OK event that could have been a great event...

Getting people to answer the phone so that advance tickets could actually be purchased would be a good step forward for next year..... along with better thought out viewing for the events.

General venue seemed quite good though, well marshalled good access and plenty of parking. Bit more thought on where to let people stand and things would be 10 times better. Viewing of the handling circuit was particularly bad as I think someone else has already said above.

 

Bob, you sure that was 5 gear shifts and not just 4 ? Can't think why you would need 6th for 119mph ?
Regards using rpm to work out top speed, this is not possible with any degree of accuracy. At these speeds/power the tyre slip is very difficult to predict, especially on soft compounds which 'squirm' a lot.
On my run last year recorded at 174.8 my ratios/revs suggested 183mph.

What rpm does this car make peak power at ? as this is critical to allow full use of the gearing WRT maximum speed.

Andy

 

Did Haldor have a go at the handling????? I thought it would have been quiet good at it.

 

Ran out of time as he had spent all day running 1/4's

 

I dont care what speed your datalogs show.. the competition is not won by downloading the logs and comparing between competitiors..

The timing beam is more likely to be accurate than the VSS on the car.

Also it doesnt matter about inaccuracys the times were not being compared to last year.. just throughout the day!

I deliberatley allways ran in the right hand lane.. so all my times were consistent with each other..

Bob.. what tyre size was haldor using? and what final drive? std 3.9?
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David

 

The competition is not won by talk either.

David,

When (not if) your car goes under 10.85, or tops a measured 177mph please feel free to be as gobby as you like.

Paul

 

see you next year then

cheers

big sinky

 

Sorry, I don't have any real excuses for only managing 11.17

Paul

 

paul..

Paul.. Ill feel free to be 'as gobby' as I like, Im entitled to my point of view..

Datalogs dont count for ****.. FACT.

You dont see F1 teams saying that there qualifying time by their datalog /telelmetry was 20ms quicker than the Tag gear?

Anyway if you dont like my comments dont read them.. Its quite simple.



David

 

Peace guys, good points by both and lets go back to on-topic

 

you shut your mouth

 

Yeah bitch this is between David and I

 

How much are the road legal slicks worth in terms of time?

 

12 points for three years??

 

damn and blast

 

Peanut absolute classic.. -- almost

 

Peanuts, cheers, made me laugh, nice one

 

surely that should be

"between david and me?"

 

I don't think the tyres are worth that much depending on power. I think my improved 60ft times (and higher speed beyond it) are mainly down to the centre diff and 16" wheels/tyres.

However on the handling I would say they would easily be worth 1-2 seconds, which makes you think, doesn't it Steven!

Paul

 

Which centre diff do you have Paul?

I appreciate they make a difference on handling, so my time isnt too bad i guess.

They must make a difference on the 1/4 though, otherwise no one would use them?

Steven

 

Im quiet

 

I have a standard centre diff, but in contrast to scooby shootout, it was a working one. From the sounds of your wheelspin, or relative lack of it, you need to work on power, which obviously will come with an extre 0.6 bar of boost.

Paul

 

Paul, you having a laugh?

Wheelspin was the problem, too much of the damn thing. The number of people who said i was wheelspinning through 1st and 2nd became annoying by the end of the day.

I could hear and feel wheelspin certainly in 1st and occasionaly in 2nd. In case you werent near the handling circuit i also had a slipping clutch, which you could hear through 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th.

It was cured by launching the bloody thing bouncing off the limiter before the green light.

Sometimes, i really do have to think twice before i reply to some of your posts!

 

Yep, defintely heard the slipping clutch.

Did wonder why it didn't on the next run through, began to think I'd imagned it.

 

Trying desperatly to get a decent launch, i thought i would launch in 2nd, the clutch thought differently. It then played up on the handling circuit for 3 runs. I then went to cure it on the 1/4, which took 2 goes to cure.

 

David you might not care but the info might be useful to someone else, my comments are in relation to Simons post about gearing... we thought we had a very good day.

Andy well spotted, I'll slow down, yes only four gear changes (5 gears) of course, and yes calculated speed is normally off beam but the figures do show that and that was part of the reason for putting them up, one things for sure the rpm log is accurate as I was logging at 100hz for rpm, tps and map. I can only see where Gulli lifted off at the end of the run not where the 1/4 was so the rpm I quote is the highest along the strip not at the 1.25 mile point, but thats more useless info I think. Since I know the 1/4 times I can work those out since I was logging at 100 hz as mentioned.

Lined up for the handling but was too late as by the time we realised we still hadn't done that or the top speed and chose top speed hoping to get a handling run, there wasn't a queue at the time but when he came round that had all changed.

The car ran in the right lane all day but they don't let you do top speed runs there do they so two done on the left but I suppose coincidence that both 1/4 times were 13 something, even with a missed change and a 1/4 terminal of 44 mph he got a 11.57 so doesn't compute but he could have triggered the beam early I guess, don't know.

I did think that F1 teams relied on their datalogs/telemetry to show and tell them where they could improve, dunno, I might have it all wrong, maybe they only use the pit boards ... lol.

So I'll forget the tech stuff then, anyone wants some info can mail, no point publishing rubbish and crap it seems.

The transmission was std JDM which uses 3.9 diffs although it had a 12kg centre viscous coupling instead of the std one (got toasted). Tyres were 225-45-17 although we started on 18's for first two runs only.

bob

 

"Lined up for the handling but was too late as by the time we realised we still hadn't done that or the top speed and chose top speed hoping to get a handling run, there wasn't a queue at the time but when he came round that had all changed."

Hopefully they come over again for next year