Warwick-hunt

listen, he knows he should have done things differently, i'm saying give him a bit support in sorting it out instead of your usual know it all approach,

imlach

Call if that if you like, but to me, it's a plain old common sense approach. Some people just don't like the truth when they see it do they......

Just needed to redress the balance of views on here that somehow this guy in Inverness was the nastiest piece of work since Robert Maxwell....

Yes, he's sold a car that isn't in tip-top nick, and while I can empathise (not sympathise) with the buyer, Boaaz has come on here trying to give the impression he has little blame in the whole transaction.

He may have some luck in getting some money back from the seller...I hope he does.....maybe the guy will be kind about the whole thing....but wouldn't bet on it. When the car was sold and for 100 miles after, the engine worked. Now it doesn't. The car devalued itself while in the care of Boaaz. Sad, but factual.

Lagamorph

iTrader: (12)

imlach give the guy a break stop pouring salt in his wounds, im sure this post is more for him to vent frustration not an actual warning (dont take this personal imlach).

Andy

Lagamorph

iTrader: (12)

the car was sold under false pretences. FACT.

unclebuck

But, it must have sounded like a bag of nails and belched blue smoke if the engine was that badly damaged? Surely if the oil pump was siezed the oil pressure would be zero and the oil warning light would have been on?

Something doesn't add up here. Are you sure you didn't hammer the s**t out of it and do this damage yourself?

UB

imlach

Do we know that to be true?

There's a fine line between deceit, and not volunteering the information. If the questions were not asked, the seller is under no obligation to volunteer any information. Underhand, but again, that's the 2nd hand game.

pslewis

At the end of the day - IF the seller said he would replace the water pump and didn't then the seller is liable.

However, the buyer should have satisfied himself that the work had been carried out - invoice? the nice new water pump sitting on the block?

It a hard one to call - the seller clearly knew that car was in for some money spending on it ....................... but, the buyer has a duty of care to himself to protect his interests and plainly didn't.

Its got to be the buyer asking the seller for some compensation - the seller may just give over a token £1000 or so - but I wouldn't hold my breath!

Pete

imlach

At most, the seller is perhaps liable for the cost of a new water pump if he didn't replace it as he said....the subsequent damage is NOT his fault. The car was then owned by someone else.

dba

doesn't make the seller any less a **** though

Lagamorph

iTrader: (12)

true

and true

Lagamorph

iTrader: (12)

i take that back any faults known to the owner should have been listed to buyer but then again it is a bit of a grey area

pslewis

The loss is called consequential loss - if the water pump had been replaced then (possibly) the head gasket wouldn't have blown with the resultant damage.

What you are saying is, if a tyre fitter doesn't tighten up your wheel nuts - he is only liable for covering the cost of tightening up the nuts - even though the wheel has come off and killed a pedestrian, made you crash your car and caused an immense amount of loss?? Don't talk rubbish!! The tyre fitter can be sued for ALL consequentail loss!!

In the same way that the buyer, if it could be proved (on the balance of probabilities) that the damage was a direct result of the water pump failing.

Pete

imlach

Yes, in the business world Pete, but not in a private transaction between 2 individuals. Consumer law is weak in this respect....remember, 100 miles was driven before failure. In my eyes, every mile driven post-sale removes more & more responsibility from the seller.......

imlach

...but in law, there comes a point where that responsibility is removed from the tyre-fitter.

eg, 100 days after the tyre-fitter refitted the wheel, he wouldn't be liable....

pslewis

The tyre fitter would STILL be liable if, say, he crossed the threads and the stresses and strains sheared the wheel bolts off. 100 days later or 2 years later!!

We all know that a failed water pump will blow the head gasket. The seller said he would replace it - I assume he didn't, therefore when the Head Gasket blew, what? 2 hours after sale? The seller was liable for the resultant damage.

Pete

Jerome

The profile for this guy sounds appropriate. In hindsight, a good warning.

>Profile For patevo1

>Date Registered: 13-09-2003
>Status: User & abuser


My first car had similar problems to this Evo, but I'd only spent 340 quid on the car. When I took the head off, the (not new) head gasket had loads of fresh gasket glue on it. One of the pistons had pretty bad piston slap. The guy had obviously found out about the problem and flogged it on to the first mug who came along - me!

A new engine was sourced from a breakers and fitted. I put this all down to experience (I was 17 then) and made sure it never happened again. Always assume any seller of a car (including dealers), has discovered an expensive problem and try your hardest to discover what that is. As mentioned before, with an AA/RAC check, you have some (albeit limited) comeback if something like this happens.

I would also trust any BBS member, however prolific a poster, as much as I would trust an advertiser in the Auto Trader.

boaaz, you've been extremely unlucky, and I hope something is sorted without you having to part with too much more cash. Your experience will hopefully serve as a reminder to not trust anyone when it comes to second hand cars.

imlach

...but the point is, how can it be proven that the wheel has not been taken off between the day the tyre fitter fitted it, and 100 days later? You can't.

Warwick-hunt

i like the truth - but i like it before the fact not after,

boaaz

I don't believe what is going on here,firstly thanks to all who have offered support i truly do appreiciate it but some people on here would seem to just want to push the knife in deeper!

Imlach,do you really think that i would have gone through with the sale,no AA/RAC inspection if i hadent trusted the guy in the first place??

Also if you read the posts i have admitted that i could have checked the car a great deal more,my crime here was that i trusted this guy,and i couldn't read any of his previous posts as i wasn't a fully paid up member yet so i had restricted forum access,but that isn't
even the point.The point is that Patevo1 was told by a mechanic when he took the car to the garage after the water pump started leaking that he should change it and do the head gaskett as well,but this advice was ignored and he even said that he thought the mechanic was trying to shaft him,and after all this he admitted to not having any mechanical knowledge.
My complaints on this are,If you don't have the knowledge,and you seek advice from a professional,why the hell would you not take their advice???

This was never ment to be a pitty party for me just simply the fact that i know that i have to take my part of the blame and it is a bitter pill to swallow but that is for me to deal with,fact still remains that this guy ignored the advice of a professional and sold the car to me knowing what state it was in,and yes he did lie because he told me on more than one phone call that,and i quote"I WOULD NOT LET YOU COME ALL THE WAY UP HERE TO BUY MY CAR AND DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO NORTHAMPTON IF IT WASEN'T RIGHT"
and the oil pump is NOW seized after the excessive heat under the bonnet,and the car did drive ok for the first hour,but i'm sure that if you were in my position you would not have accepted that as a good enough reason to let him get away with it and you would want to let the other forum members know about what had happened,i just can't believe some of the responses from you guy's,as i said i admit that i am part to blame but surly it's not all my fault,just trying to stop this from happening again if possible!!

Mike.

oak

i have sympathy for you mike, i see your point of view, i'm bidding on a subaru on ebay at the minute, so i may see your point of view all the more next week

at the end of the day your in this situation and i for one hope it all works out well for you in the end

imlach

Boaaz,

While it is unfortunate, you have placed a hell of a lot of trust in someone you don't even know.....you must be a very trusting person.

boaaz

Got it in one!!

Mike.

damian666

Naive more like...

The nova I bought for £500 had shagged mains. I sold it on ASAP after I found out - NOT MY PROBLEM ANY MORE - even when the buyer comes back to me and told me that I knew something was wrong. Well duh! Why did I sell the car?

The Fiat 126 I bought blew the headgasket 50 miles down the road from where I bought it. Did I complain? **** no! It is my problem, not the sellers. Got a new head, fixed the problem.

The Yamaha I bought the other day had a petrol leak that almost killed me. MY FAULT for not checking it out.

DO NOT TRUST A SELLER AT ALL.

Just a quick lesson for those with no common sense.

Damo

pslewis

Not everyone shares your view Damo - the person who bought your Nova might just take a different view and pay you a visit.

Its always better to be straight, tell the buyer whats wrong and sleep peacefully!

Buyers - don't trust anyone selling a used car - but expect NOT to get shafted ..................... if you do get stitched up get the boys around for a lynching!!

Pete

boaaz

Damo.are you saying that i've no common sense???

StickyMicky

i havent seen any facts regarding this

i asked if the buyer asked the questions, and they have not, to my knowledge been answerd yet, that says quite a bit IMO

StickyMicky

so you didnt ask if it had had any problems with the water pump and such??

boaaz

Why would i have asked about the water pump,??

Mike

gsm1

I sympathise, boazz, but when you buy cars privately you don't get much comeback, that's why it's on you to really check the car over.

When you first drove the car it obviously must have felt good enough for you to buy it. Maybe the seller wasn't being as dishonest as you think.

StickyMicky

if you didnt ask about the things that caused your engine to go wrong, then i cant see how this bloke lied???

he lied because he said it was allright?

@ that moment in time it was ovb allright, allright enough for you not to notice that it was ok to drive and so forth

i still havenet seen any facts which prove he lied to you