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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by imlach
Out of interest, is the Port Light Inn a pub or a restaurant? ie, informal pub like atmosphere, or proper dining experience?

The lady breastfeeding her child is doing no wrong in theory.....there are methods of breastfeeding such that it is not obvious that breastfeeding is going on....ie, if you're seeing a bare breast, she's doing it wrong...

It is a Hotel with Restaurant. Non residents can dine there but you need to book. Menu is mostly fish being by the sea, but certainly not pub grub. They do also have a bar, but dogs are allowed in the restaurant: http://www.portlight-salcombe.co.uk/dining.htm

It was flop tit out, pick kid up, stick kid on nipple. Milk dripping off kids chin down her tit and all over the place. Put me off my food. I appreciate it is natural, and the kid is only having his dinner, but even so. Bit like I am not keen to see people chewing with their motuh open so you can see it all going round like a cement mixer, again nothing technically wrong with it, just not what you would expect in polite company, especially when they have Mother and Baby facilities.
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
It was flop tit out, pick kid up, stick kid on nipple. Milk dripping off kids chin down her tit and all over the place. Put me off my food. I appreciate it is natural, and the kid is only having his dinner, but even so. Bit like I am not keen to see people chewing with their motuh open so you can see it all going round like a cement mixer, again nothing technically wrong with it, just not what you would expect in polite company, especially when they have Mother and Baby facilities.
Much like some dragging on a cigarette, blowing smoke all over the room, and dropping ash around the table? Something you wouldn't like to see in polite company.

Sounds like you'd like to see some more control in dining rooms like I would
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
It is a Hotel with Restaurant. Non residents can dine there but you need to book. Menu is mostly fish being by the sea, but certainly not pub grub. They do also have a bar, but dogs are allowed in the restaurant: http://www.portlight-salcombe.co.uk/dining.htm
Hmm...the website says :

" Pets may sleep in your accommodation with you and may also dine with you in the bar area. We have the same superb menu in both the restaurant and bar."

...which to me implies that pets are welcome in the bar, but not the restaurant....
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by imlach
Much like some dragging on a cigarette, blowing smoke all over the room, and dropping ash around the table? Something you wouldn't like to see in polite company.

Sounds like you'd like to see some more control in dining rooms like I would
Don't recall saying I'd like to see more control or that I'd like to see it banned. Just that I'd prefer not to see it. As it was we got up and left. And also I did point out there was a Mother and Baby area - a bit like a smoking and non-smoking area. So it was kind of like her smoking in the non-smoking area of the restaurant - which I agree is not fair. I don't have an issue with providing differing facilities for differing users.
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by imlach
Hmm...the website says :

" Pets may sleep in your accommodation with you and may also dine with you in the bar area. We have the same superb menu in both the restaurant and bar."

...which to me implies that pets are welcome in the bar, but not the restaurant....
It may "imply" that to you, but as you will note, it does not say "dogs are NOT allowed in the restaurant" and while I may have been hallucinating, when we were there, there were dogs there.
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
It may "imply" that to you, but as you will note, it does not say "dogs are NOT allowed in the restaurant" and while I may have been hallucinating, when we were there, there were dogs there.
What were you smoking at the time?
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by imlach
What were you smoking at the time?
Who says that I smoke???
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by imlach
Probably so, but I don't think many restaurants would do good business which welcomed dogs at the table....

Who wants a mooching dog next to their table
I certainly don't remember seeing any dogs in any restaurants I've recently been in.....and I certainly wouldn't go back to any which openly welcomed them to be around the table.

Remember now, my context was restaurants, not pubs/cafes/tearooms.
Yeah, fair enough I didn't spot the restaurant comment but in answer to your question I wouldn't have too many problems with dogs mooching about but then I'm a dog person and can't stand kids. Of course, I can also understand the opposite point of view.

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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Faire D'Income
Yeah, fair enough I didn't spot the restaurant comment but in answer to your question I wouldn't have too many problems with dogs mooching about but then I'm a dog person and can't stand kids. Of course, I can also understand the opposite point of view.

So long as their trained properly, they shouldn't mooch anyway.

Know of someone who trained guide dogs for years, but as soon as they got their own dogs (coincided with kids fleeing family home), they dogs were almost replacements for the kids.....hence they've not been trained properly, and whine & whimper at the dining table in their house.....
Spoilt labradors....

If they get brought to our house, they get shut out of the dining room while we eat....much to the annoyance of their owner....but seems fair enough to me....
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by imlach
If they get brought to our house, they get shut out of the dining room while we eat....much to the annoyance of their owner....but seems fair enough to me....
Your house - your rules, fair enuff.
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 04:09 PM
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I don't see the problem myself. We shut ours out of the dining room when we eat otherwise they just stare at you with their best begging faces.
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Faire D'Income
I don't see the problem myself. We shut ours out of the dining room when we eat otherwise they just stare at you with their best begging faces.
Mine does the same - sits and looks at you, drooling, doesn't whimper or bark! Mind you he usually manages to intercept dropped food before it hits the floor which saves the carpet a bit
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 04:20 PM
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Darlodge

Not in the least bit concerned about the security aspect of a dog flap - my 3 year old son cant fit through (and he's tried!), and I've never heard of burglars smaller than him!

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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 04:23 PM
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Darlodge

Not in the least bit concerned about the security aspect of a dog flap - my 3 year old son cant fit through (and he's tried!), and I've never heard of burglars smaller than him!

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Suspect most dogs would give somebody trying a nasty nip anyway!
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 04:34 PM
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Well my 13 months old Staffie goes to my Mum and Dad's everty day while me and the other half are at work. He loves it, and so do Mum and Dad. He gets left on his own for a couple of hours a day, just so he doesn't get used to company all the time. Works well for our house.
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 04:37 PM
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only thing Im scared of getting a dog flap for is incase some1 nicks the dog whilst we are out, tbh theres a good possibility of this happening
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 04:41 PM
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only thing Im scared of getting a dog flap for is incase some1 nicks the dog whilst we are out, tbh theres a good possibility of this happening
Create a run that encloses the back door or whatever that would make it difficult for somebody to get in.

Also key thing with any pup these days, train them to be sociable with people if you are there but not to take treats from anybody but you. A dog that will take treats from anybody can be easily lured.
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 04:53 PM
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Olly,

How do you train a dog to only take treats from you? Surley its in a dogs nature to go looking for food or is this something that regular dog training resolves?

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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 05:02 PM
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you can get dog flaps for the doors so the little mutt can go in and out as it pleases when your not around.
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 05:09 PM
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Don't get a Weimaraner - leave them alone and they will either eat the place or dig holes through solid walls! They are a serious dog to own, that need hard discipline and attention. If they don't get it then you'll soon pay for it in repairs or new furniture!

Saying that, it's unfair to leave any dog alone for long periods, especially a pup who needs input to help it develop and learn where it's place is in the pack. You leave it alone and it wil obey it's own rules i.e. none!
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 05:12 PM
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Olly,

How do you train a dog to only take treats from you? Surley its in a dogs nature to go looking for food or is this something that regular dog training resolves?

Darren
It isn't easy I grant you, as you rightly point out it is in their nature to be opportunist with food.

You need to start with by finding out what his favourite treat is and what a less favourite treat is. Get a friend to help (i.e. not somebody who you would want the dog to come to) and get them to offer the lesser treat, as he goes for it, let him sniff but not get the treat, then call him to you and give him the preferred treat. You need to try and do this with a number of people so he starts to realise that treats come from you and it isn't worth going to other people as they won't give him a treat and it is a lesser treat anyway.

Given time he won't be interested in treats from other people as he will be expecting the bigger treat from you. You can then get on to random rewarding which will re-inforce all this.

At the end of the day - there is no guarentee it will work absolutely, but it is better than having him prepared to bounce of with anybody at the first sign of a treat.
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 05:14 PM
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Darlodge, as you are asking this before doing it, you probably have a heart for these critters.

As do we, and having bought a dog 4 months ago (and both working) we duly underestimated the work/attention you need to give them. Having 5 cats, 50 odd fish, turtles etc... we did know a thing or two about animal car, but the dog was more work than all the other animals together to be honest.

We felt guilty as hell, and found a service that picks up the dog, goes walking with it (together with other dogs), keeps it on a playing ground for the rest of the day, and brings it back around 4 PM totally knackered

It's not just the fact if the dog would mind, it's also the fact that you *will* start feeling guilty about not being able to give the creature the time & attention it deserves. I would always have described myself as a "cat person", but it's amazing how quickly you build up a bond with them stinkin dawgs and how much *you* want to spend time with them and want them to be happy.

If you can find a service that picks up the dog during day time, or a family member that does the same, then I'd say go for it.
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 05:52 PM
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I have two dogs one of which is 7 months and i have to leave them at home when it is to warm to come to work. they do about 4 hours between visits from Family i think any longer and you will have accidents every where. also up until the puppy was 5 1/2 months old she came to work almost every day so got lots of attention and time. if you leave a young puppy at home they will destroy the place. if you talk to people who work for the big cannine rescue organisations like NCDL they say breeds like Springers are no good unless people are not only home but willing to walk them for 4-5 miles aday.

Having had two springers i think this is a fair comment. it is not only the walking, they need to be entertained if you let them get bored they will find their own ammusement by chewing furniture or what ever else you value.

Dogs are great but never under estimate the work involved.
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 06:06 PM
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I'd highly recommend a retriever after i got one 3 months ago, we also got a shih tzu puppy too, the retreiver has such a better temperament, very friendly to people and other animals, while in comparison the shih tzus (we have a 2 yr old too) cause aggro and hassle going up barking at people and dogs.

some pics here of him growing up so far from 6 to 19 weeks, amazing how quickly he has grown.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ian.storey1/jake/
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 06:39 PM
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Such a cute retriever! Just been lookingat my pooch, the old fella is now 15! And he stills runs around like he's a pup! There's something about retrievers that I can't resist!
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 07:45 PM
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Ah, I'd recommend Retrievers every day of the week

Here's ours as a pup: http://www.mooseracer.pwp.blueyonder.../jasperpup.jpg


and here he is nearly 2 years later with our latest addition: http://www.mooseracer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Dogz-003.jpg
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Old Jun 10, 2004 | 08:30 AM
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Yeah he is pretty cute - best not the misses see him or she will want one to go with this little fella
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Old Jun 10, 2004 | 10:11 AM
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Come on guys, more pictures

We started talking about dogs yesterday. Taking the dog to her parents is also an option as they are dog friendly and miss their last dog.

But we did end up talking about marriage instead That back fired

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Old Jun 10, 2004 | 10:26 AM
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Darren - if you can get parents to help thats great. We used to take ours to them for the day on the odd occasion we were both working. Since father in law died mother in law now comes around to our house and sits with them.

One of the few advatages of having in laws so close by
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