ProperCharlie

Olly - i believe that other forms of pollution are probably more significant than cigarette smoke in casuing athsma. i was just trying to be difficult.

as for passive smoking - my personal opinion is that it will be proven to cause some harm. when it was first suggested that smoking might cause cancer, a sh*tload of "evidence" was put forward to refute this. everyone now accepts this causal link, and i feel that it is only a matter of time before some kind of causal link between passive smoking and respiratory disease is accepted.

ProperCharlie

Jye - very good. very good indeed.


i am humbled by your googling prowess.

Jye

lol, hey Charlie, I'm on my no smoking lunch break, that was pretty good for me with a sandwich in one hand

OllyK

I agree there is most likely a causal link, but it certainly isn't the ONLY one or necessarily the major one either. A lot of people seem to band around as fact that Smoking WILL cause Lung Cancer as if it were a certainty in every case. It is more that smoking is 1 of a number of agents that contribute to lung cancer. In some cases one agent is sufficient, in other a combination is required (look back at my earlier links, there is a study there that medical radiation exposure in conjunction with smoking is a much higher risk than just smoking) and in others all the agents the person is exposed to has no effect.

OllyK

They probably thought you were a terrorist, that will really put you off your dinner

Graz

Personally I'm in favour of a ban for the sake of my own health.

I do smoke a bit, mainly socially, but there have been occasions when I have started to move into the regular smoker domain, okay still probably less than 40 a week, but at this point I have always tried to give up completely.

My will power seems to fail when out drinking with mates who smoke, envitably I end up poncing one or two and then typically end up buying a box. If there wasn't any smoking in public places then hopefully I wouldn't fall into this trap and I would be able to stay off the ciggies permenantly. Well that's my theory anyway

andypugh2000

I am in favour of a ban, cant even stomache the smell of *** smoke and will only go into well ventilated pubs.

as for the eating factor and people lighting up well thats just plain arrogant, in these cases i take to pushing a finger up my nose and giving it a good raking out then inspect the debris much to everyones disgust, no worse than blowing foul smelling smoke in my direction putting me off my food

andy

OllyK

It would be if they were in a no smoking area. If they are in a smoking area you may as well bitch about the person opposite having hallitosis and sharing your air.

Fill your boots - wouldn't bother me, you are the one who would look silly

SiPie

Claire

The two don't go hand in hand ....

You'll confuse yourself stupid as Allen Carr insists you DO NOT touch any nicotine and NRT obviously says otherwise

As Allen Carr says in his book :

Would you prescribe a heroin addict who is trying to give up heroin ....more heroin ?

Just read the book

eClaire

I know this! But If i read the book before I start NRT and it works I won't waste money on perscriptions. If it doesn't work I have another method to try

But, thank you for your concern (smart **** )

imlach

I would rip up all thoughts of NRT before reading the book.....your mind will be thinking of the 'alternative back up plan'.....

CEL

iTrader: (1)

Or just admit you can't stop ?

eClaire

I'm not even going to comment on that Christopher, you know what happened last time!

SiPie

Everyone can stop so don't be put off by people who have watched you struggle before with previous attempts

I promise you will find it relatively easy to stop after reading the book

Jye

Remember Claire, you will soon weigh 40 stone if you stop

ProperCharlie

Jye - I was biting my tongue on that one.

eClaire

LOL Jye!!!!! Shut up

Faire D'Income

Is it possible to delete threads that you've started?

OllyK

Don't think so - you can get a Mod to lock it though so that is slowly falls back through the pages

Jerome

Revenue from ciggies - 9 billion pounds
Cost to the NHS of smoking related illnesses - 1.5 billion pounds (and decreasing)
Cost to the NHS of obesity related illnesses - 3.5 billion pounds (and increasing)

If you want to talk about the cost to the NHS when banning stuff, ban all foods that are fattening and all fast food restaurants before looking at banning smoking.

Smokers drink more and stay for longer when they visit bars. Banning smoking/smoking areas hurts the entertainment business - just look at Canada as a shining example of this.

Even though I smoke, I agree with banning smoking in restaurants with close tables. I don't like people smoking at the end of their meal when I've just started mine.

I also agree with the banning of cigars in any indoor public place.

A personal observation is that the more fervent an anti smoker - who is all for banning smoking in bar/restaurants - the less likely they are to go to said establishments regularly.

imlach - I smoke whilst I'm cooking (admittedly a rare occurence) - I'm sure it adds a certain something to my spaghetti bolognash

foamy

A pipe smoker captured, on the Royal Mile:

imlach

Nah, they're not the real ones, these are - and even closer to the Filling Station than your one

CEL

iTrader: (1)

By that comment i suppose you are implying it was my fault you couldn't stop smoking

Haven't you lost count of the times you've tried previously?

SiPie, i agree, anyone can stop smoking.. but this is not just anyone

The only way to do it is cold turkey...

imlach

CEL,

Most people do take several attempts to finally give up the weed. Give her some encouragement, rather than negativity

Personally, the most success with people I know has been through the Alan Carr book and altering their view on smoking (and why they do it) rather than using substitute products (nicorette etc) or deterrents (zyban).

If Claire can keep the substitute products from the front of her mind while reading the book, she can benefit from it too....

foamy

Hve you ever seen a smoker try to give up? They're always climbing the walls within 3 days!

One of my best mates won't even go to a pub if he's trying to give up because he'll either go and scrounge a cig off someone or turn into a pyschobitch And he says that's just down to being able to smell the smoke....

Butkus

Smokers are often thoughtless. I was sitting on a bench on the platform waiting for a train the other day. A couple came over, sat down, and then lit up. I stood up, walked away and had to stand waiting for the train. Not really a big deal as such but I thought it was pretty selfish.

My main gripe has to be that your clothes stink of smoke after being in a pub or restaurant, and if it's really bad my eyes start to water. I don't want the place to be overrun with rules - people can do what the hell they like in my opinion. I just don't think it's fair for other people to be adversely affected by your actions.

foamy

If I go to a restaurant and spill curry down my shirt then so be it. I just don't spill curry over anyone else.

If I have too many beers and decide to puke down God's telephone, then so be it. I just don't puke on anyone else.

And it's ok for smokers to blow smoke over me because...?

Jye

This thread smells

ScoobyWon't

Don't like the smell of smoke at all, but for some reason, for a whole weekend, I managed to put up with it. Live and let live I guess.... then again tonight, the local was heaving and the heat was intense - I've had to take a bath since getting home to get rid of the smell of tabs.

Yeah, you've got to live and let live.
(p.s. ban it! )