boomer

The "registered keeper", in the case of company car _drivers_, is _THE DRIVER_, and not the lease company! I believe that there are some mitigating circumstances if the actual "keeper" is hard to find, but the whole point behind the 14 day rule is that you can't be expected to remember (i.e. defend yourself regarding) events a long time in the past.

I foresee a great number of offshore lease companies appearing in the next few years!

mb

Stuart H

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by boomer:
<B>The "registered keeper", in the case of company car _drivers_, is _THE DRIVER_, and not the lease company!
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I hate to disagree but quite a number of the vehicles I have cause to check on the PNC are registered to the vehicle leasing company and NOT the driver. Occasionally a drivers name may be given, but normally it is just the lease company.

firefox

Howdy

define "day of commission" ?

I have read from the bike forums.. that they have 14 days to deliver the NIP from the time they issue it.

As such.. it can take then 3 months (or whatever) to issue it, but they are only allowed 14 days to get it to you.

Maybe I am talking poop like normal?

This is why I am wondering about the terminally.

J.

PT

Day of commission = the day the offence was COMMITTED!

[This message has been edited by PT (edited 29-06-2000).]

boomer

Stuart H,

i guess of all people, you should know!

It seems strange that a Lease company would want to keep it's name as the RK - it is more hassle on their part (potentially they could get loads of "queries") . I can understand this for pool cars (or maybe people who intentionally want to avoid being found).

You live and learn!

Cheers,

mb (The registered keeper of his Scooby - at least as far as he is aware!)

scrappydoo

I would just like to say to pumpers that the decelerating thing i mentioned was written by a traffic policemen. So nahhhhhh. Know all.

GavM

I agree with deceleration point. Radar detector went off the other day and i slowed right down. They kept the laser on the car for about 15 secs but i was cruising at speed limit by then. Two very confused policemen when i went past.

Nikolai-usually get about 1km warning with laser but very little if at all with cameras.

ian/555

Thanks for all the positive feedback and advice, all i can do now is sit and wait and hope for the best.

Dave P

Not wishing to be a party pooper but if you take the risk of speeding you must also take the risk of the punishment. If you speed excessively as you did, you can expect the punishment to be that much greater.

There was a time on this BBS when an admission of driving at this speed in traffic would have bought about some very different responses to those displayed above.


Flame suit on

Dave

ian/555

DaveP i will be the first to hold my hands up and take what is coming to me, i do not bulk my responsability one bit but i merely ask if i had been caught what can i expect in the way of a fine etc.
As far as speeding excesssively goes if i was on a autobahn in Germany we would not even be having this conversation let alone saying it was excessive speed as far as i am concerned the speed laws in this country are WELL out of date and do not take into consideration any advancement in vehicle design or driver ability, the speed limits on motorways are merely there to raise revenue because otherwise the money raised from speeding fines and fuel duty would be spent on a better public transport system and on driver education instead of on "twojags" weekly fuel bill!
The sooner people realise that just because a "sign" says a speed limit it does not automaticaly mean that it is right or correct to travel at that speed, in some cases it is wrong to travel at the speed limit posted and other times it is totally stupid to expect people to stick to a limit that was brought in 30-40 years ago when electronic ignition was a dream away let alone good tyres and brakes.
If it is so wrong to break the national speed limit then the government would of brought in a way of limiting us to 70mph as the technology existed long ago and the so called problem of "speeding" over the national limit would of been stamped on over night, the reason i feel that they have not done this is plain and simple no political party that said it would do this would get re-elected let alone elected in the first place as the VAST majority of people in this country realise that the speed limit system as it stands is totally out of date.

ian/555

Quick bring back the "stocks" in the town center and give me a good lashing with a "cat of nine tails" as i have done the unspeakable crime of using my own flawed judgement.
If your concern is to minamise risk put your energy into getting better driving ed for all of us (me included) as the ever diminishing standards on the road are terrible, example undertaking, bad lane disipline, lack of use of indicators, braking before indicating, driving to close to car in front, not giving way etc etc etc.

I am not the worlds best driver by a long shot but the standard i have seen in recent years has left a lot to be desired. Since i started driving all those years ago i have probably driven over 1,000,000 miles and i can honestly say that the standard of other road users is alot worse now than when i first started and i think that the best way to improve things would be to educate us all better (including me) especially pedestrians because as the law stands if i was to step out into the road with my eyes shut and got hit by a car, who do you think would be to blame yes that's right the car driver!

Dave Coulshaw

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by ian/555:
<B>i was to step out into the road with my eyes shut and got hit by a car, who do you think would be to blame yes that's right the car driver![/quote]

At 120mph where wouldn't be enough left of either of you to matter!

Have to agree with GCollier here, do above 100 on the motorway and you are asking for everything you get. Yes motorway speed limits are out of date, and 80 or 90 mph is probably more realistic, but 120mph?

We all speed, I have a radar detector to 'help me out' but if your own limits are above 120 on any road, then its time for a re-think! Stick to less than 90 on the m'way, stick to speed limits in genuine residential areas, and go out early in the morning on some open moor roads to get your higher adrenalin thrills.

Aero

I'd always thought motorway speed limits should be higher. (Driving an MR2 and Scooby) However I climbed into my Father's Mondeo, and blimey. Exhilerating? Braking hard from any speed over 40mph results in the back of the car coming right up and the entire car becoming far too unstable.
70mph is fast enough for most of the cars out there.

GCollier

Ian/555,

You may be driving a "superior" car, and have "superior" driving ability to what was the norm 30 years ago, but that doesn't mean that everyone around you sharing the road is in the same situation.

It's interesting - quite a few threads appearing now complaining of other motorists total lack of obversation, cutting across lanes on motorways etc, and then there's this one - talking about doing 120mph in traffic. I wonder what would be the consequence of the two of them combined? Maybe you, and several other people not being in a position to contribute to this BBS for a while.

I can't say I wish you to lose your job or anything, but if you do get banned you've got what's coming to you for doing 50mph above the limit. Why not try to take it easy in future?

Gary.

GCollier

Ian,

My concern is that when the UNEXPECTED happens (someone suffers a blow-out, swerves into your path to avoid a hazard, anything like that) doing that sort of speed the consequences are going to be VERY unpleasant, and I for one don't want to be sharing the same stretch of road. If you want to do 50 above the limit on some deserted clear road, where you just risk wiping out yourself and some wildlife, fine, but please don't do it amidst other road users.

And I believe a lot of this talk of "educate drivers, don't reduce speed limits" on this board is just a front. It's consantly used by people who don't want their little game of being able to drive as fast as they like, (sitting "of course" in their superior machinery safe in the knowledge of their superior driving) spoilt. I believe that most people know what constitutes good/safe driving from bad/dangerous driving, but because of their attitude (not their knowledge) they carry on doing what they do. After all, haven't you been well educated that the speed limit is in fact 70mph, yet you chose to do 120? If safety was your motivator for proposing such training, I find it difficult to see how that can be reconciled with such speeds in traffic, which may well be full of such idiots.

The previous comment about this sort of thread receiving a different response in the earlier days of this BBS is quite true. 18 months ago, there would be none of this "good luck, hope you get away with it m8", but more likely widespread comdemnation, and possibly deletion.

Gary.

Richie

So who has tested out the top speed on an open road ?

GCollier

LOL @ Richie

NickF

GCollier,

I don't want to glorify speed, other than in the appropriate place, but I have a couple of points you might want to ponder.

I've actually had a front tyre blowout at just over 100mph. Now, it wasn't an explosion, more a fairly quick pressure loss. Definitely scary, but I controlled it OK, brought the car to a halt, no problems. Some others would have hit the brakes which (even at 50) would probably cause a spin/loss of control I've invested time and money in additional training, most people haven't. So who's the safer driver?

Even the government's own monitoring body concedes that speed isn't the cause of anything other than a minority of accidents. Any accidents are too many, of course, but the biggest cause is driver error.

I'll concede that driver error will lead to worse consequences if you add speed to the mix, but I'm convinced that there is a greater danger from Mrs School Run at 45 in a 30 zone (late dropping the kids off again) or Mr Bewildered on the motorway (late-changing between lanes on the approach to a junction) than there is from someone driving quickly but responsibly.

I was travelling back from N Yorks yesterday afternoon, following a 406 estate. This guy was cruising at around 100, but was keeping a big distance between himself and the cars ahead, always indicated, and hardly touched the brakes. His anticipation and road sense seemed excellent - compare this to some of the middle lane drivers who constantly crowd, fail to indicate, and pull out into the smallest of gaps, and tell me who the safer driver is?

Nick

GCollier

Nick,

I agree with a lot of what you say. My point is not so much anti-speed in all circumstances, just that 120 is too fast for nearly all circumstances on UK roads, and particularly when travelling in a line of traffic, presumably overtaking other road users (unknown quantities) travelling at much slower speeds.

With regards to blow-outs, this has happened to one of my friends, and to a member of my family. One ended up going across a lane of traffic and crashing into the central reservation, the other spinning down the motorway, but miraculously not hitting anything else. I just don't want to think about the consequences of combining this sort of incident with a car doing 120 (70 would be bad enough, 120 and it's probably game-over for all concerned).

Also some years ago, a friend of mine ran over and killed a teenage girl. Clear, wide, straight road, non-residential area, unmarked 30mph limit (the gap between lamp-posts implied the limit in this case). He was doing 40mph, she just stepped out, he couldn't stop. I know this is just more ammunition to those saying "don't speed in built up areas etc", but this is the sort of road police cars hide at the side of, and people complain about getting nicked on, because the conditions _appear_ to allow a speed of 50mph or so. My friend wishes to god he'd been doing 30 or less ever since.

Gary.