***SUBARU WHEEL GROUP BUY PART 2***
11 May 2004, 08:13 AM
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Has anyone placed any orders yet. I'm relunctant to phone through my details at the moment as it appears that this GB is a bit on/off at the moment due to PFF7 offsets.....
As mentioned above there was a guy on Ebay selling some from his classic. They were nearly new and only fitted for a short time. My guess is they rubbed hence why he ebay'd em'.
As mentioned above there was a guy on Ebay selling some from his classic. They were nearly new and only fitted for a short time. My guess is they rubbed hence why he ebay'd em'.
11 May 2004, 10:00 AM
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Let's get a few things straight here.
Only one person has contacted me ref the questions asked on this thread, he managed it quite easily so I don't see what the problem is............
The range of wheels we supply is on our website www.prodrive.com the only information it doesn't have is the offset of the P-FF7 which is ET51. In the US the wheels are technically the same but the colour range is slightly larger than the UK with an additional colour called British Pewter which is actually really called Grigio Uranio if you want to use the Italian name. This wheel is the same colour as the WR1 wheel although there are some small differences between the two specs.
In the US and Japan we sell various other wheels which are manufactured for us in Japan, primarily for that market. Unfortunately these are not always available in the offsets we require here (most wheels that would fit over the Brembo calipers are ET43 for example) so we do not bring them into the UK. So the reason we don't bring them here is that they don't work, this isn't a conspiracy to deprive the British of anything, other than wheels that won't fit your car properly.
Bright flitter is a colour used on the P-FF7 which is ET51, the ET53 and ET46 wheels are the P1 (P-WRC1). In order to make sure that the offsets couldn't be mixed up, we don't do different offsets in the same colour so the ET53 wheels are gold, silver and anthracite, the ET46 are rally gold and crystal titanium.
Ref offset and fitment to the 'Classic' cars, when we were developing the P1 we always wanted to offer the car on 18" wheels and the original development spec was set at ET50 with an 8x18" wheel. In most conditions this was OK as the development car did not have the rubber lip on the rear arch so only touched in extreme conditions. This wasn't an acceptable solution for release so we changed the spec to a 7.5x18 ET53 which does clear when used with the Pirelli or another similar shaped 225/35 tyre. We did try it with other tyres the same size but found that we had a foul as most other tyres this size had kerbing ribs or similar bulges in the sidewalls. If an 8x18" wheel must be fitted then ET51 will be as good as you will get but don't expect to bolt them straight on and not have to do anything to make sure they don't catch.
Another thing to consider is that the suspension should be given a thorough make-over as well. Fitting 18" wheels sharpens up the whole car quite considerably and if your std suspension is even slightly worn or the geometry is not perfect you will end up with a car that is at best unpleasant to drive and at worst, downright dangerous.
Some time ago I had the misfortune to see what was left of a std car fitted with 18" wheels that had been involved in a very serious accident and the only thing we could put it down to was getting out of phase with the steering over a series of bumps because the driver may have only had one hand on the wheel.
I hope this clears up any lingering issues.
Regards
Mike
Only one person has contacted me ref the questions asked on this thread, he managed it quite easily so I don't see what the problem is............
The range of wheels we supply is on our website www.prodrive.com the only information it doesn't have is the offset of the P-FF7 which is ET51. In the US the wheels are technically the same but the colour range is slightly larger than the UK with an additional colour called British Pewter which is actually really called Grigio Uranio if you want to use the Italian name. This wheel is the same colour as the WR1 wheel although there are some small differences between the two specs.
In the US and Japan we sell various other wheels which are manufactured for us in Japan, primarily for that market. Unfortunately these are not always available in the offsets we require here (most wheels that would fit over the Brembo calipers are ET43 for example) so we do not bring them into the UK. So the reason we don't bring them here is that they don't work, this isn't a conspiracy to deprive the British of anything, other than wheels that won't fit your car properly.
Bright flitter is a colour used on the P-FF7 which is ET51, the ET53 and ET46 wheels are the P1 (P-WRC1). In order to make sure that the offsets couldn't be mixed up, we don't do different offsets in the same colour so the ET53 wheels are gold, silver and anthracite, the ET46 are rally gold and crystal titanium.
Ref offset and fitment to the 'Classic' cars, when we were developing the P1 we always wanted to offer the car on 18" wheels and the original development spec was set at ET50 with an 8x18" wheel. In most conditions this was OK as the development car did not have the rubber lip on the rear arch so only touched in extreme conditions. This wasn't an acceptable solution for release so we changed the spec to a 7.5x18 ET53 which does clear when used with the Pirelli or another similar shaped 225/35 tyre. We did try it with other tyres the same size but found that we had a foul as most other tyres this size had kerbing ribs or similar bulges in the sidewalls. If an 8x18" wheel must be fitted then ET51 will be as good as you will get but don't expect to bolt them straight on and not have to do anything to make sure they don't catch.
Another thing to consider is that the suspension should be given a thorough make-over as well. Fitting 18" wheels sharpens up the whole car quite considerably and if your std suspension is even slightly worn or the geometry is not perfect you will end up with a car that is at best unpleasant to drive and at worst, downright dangerous.
Some time ago I had the misfortune to see what was left of a std car fitted with 18" wheels that had been involved in a very serious accident and the only thing we could put it down to was getting out of phase with the steering over a series of bumps because the driver may have only had one hand on the wheel.
I hope this clears up any lingering issues.
Regards
Mike
11 May 2004, 10:11 AM
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Mike, Thanks for the very detailed reply.
I would like P1 Style 18 inch rims for my Classic in Gold. Therefore what do I need to specify. I was not sure in your reply whether the different colour/offset statement was aimed at the PFF7 or the WRC-1 i.e ET53 or ET46
Currently on the list above I am asking for :
SCOTT.T: 18” P1 Style Wheel – 7.5” x 18" ET53 - RALLY GOLD. Must have Prodrive logo and be suitable for an MY99/00 Classic.
I would like P1 Style 18 inch rims for my Classic in Gold. Therefore what do I need to specify. I was not sure in your reply whether the different colour/offset statement was aimed at the PFF7 or the WRC-1 i.e ET53 or ET46
Currently on the list above I am asking for :
SCOTT.T: 18” P1 Style Wheel – 7.5” x 18" ET53 - RALLY GOLD. Must have Prodrive logo and be suitable for an MY99/00 Classic.
11 May 2004, 10:39 AM
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Rally Gold is only available on the ET46 P-WRC1 wheel which won't fit your car. You need the ET53 which is the 'normal' Gold ie the same as UK300 wheel.
Mike
Rally Gold is only available on the ET46 P-WRC1 wheel which won't fit your car. You need the ET53 which is the 'normal' Gold ie the same as UK300 wheel.
Mike
11 May 2004, 10:48 AM
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Cheers Mike....I have changed mine to 'Gold' for ET53.
I assume then that the PFF7 (below) should be ET51 and not ET53. I'll leave that for Ozzy and Dario to change themselves if they still want the PFF7
1. ANDYSCOOBS: 18” P-WRC1 Wheel – 7.5” x 18" ET53 - ANTRACITE. Goodyear F1 tyres 225/35/18. Must have Prodrive logo.
2. TOPGUNTONE: 18” P-WRC1 Wheel – 7.5” x 18" ET53 - SILVER. Pirelli tyres 225/35/18. Must have Prodrive logo.
3. SCOTT.T: 18” P-WRC1 Wheel – 7.5” x 18" ET53 - GOLD. No Tyres. Must have Prodrive logo and be suitable for an MY99/00 Classic.
4. OZZY: 18" PFF7 Wheel - 7.5" x 18" ET53 - Bright Flitter. Prodrive Logo for classic RB5
5. DARIO: 18" PFF7 Wheel- 7.5" x 18" ET53 - Gold. Pirelli P-zero neros.
see http://www.prodrive.com/defaultflash.asp?M=5 which explains the offsets available for P-WRC1 wheels and available colours for PFF7 (offset ET51, according to Mike)
I assume then that the PFF7 (below) should be ET51 and not ET53. I'll leave that for Ozzy and Dario to change themselves if they still want the PFF7
1. ANDYSCOOBS: 18” P-WRC1 Wheel – 7.5” x 18" ET53 - ANTRACITE. Goodyear F1 tyres 225/35/18. Must have Prodrive logo.
2. TOPGUNTONE: 18” P-WRC1 Wheel – 7.5” x 18" ET53 - SILVER. Pirelli tyres 225/35/18. Must have Prodrive logo.
3. SCOTT.T: 18” P-WRC1 Wheel – 7.5” x 18" ET53 - GOLD. No Tyres. Must have Prodrive logo and be suitable for an MY99/00 Classic.
4. OZZY: 18" PFF7 Wheel - 7.5" x 18" ET53 - Bright Flitter. Prodrive Logo for classic RB5
5. DARIO: 18" PFF7 Wheel- 7.5" x 18" ET53 - Gold. Pirelli P-zero neros.
see http://www.prodrive.com/defaultflash.asp?M=5 which explains the offsets available for P-WRC1 wheels and available colours for PFF7 (offset ET51, according to Mike)
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11 May 2004, 10:55 AM
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Mike, thanks for clearing that up, the number i have for u must be incorrect then, my apologies.
do u mean that the arches would need to be modified slightly or can u recommend something different?
Mike, could u take a look at this link please: http://prodrive-usa.com/product_deta...11&pid=123&s=1
would you be able to sell these in this country?
could i get a set of these from prodrive UK?
if not then could you recommend the best fitting wheel for my RB5 please, so I could order these from the USA.
if the link doesnt work, here are the details
GC-010E Wheels – 18” x 7.5”
MSRP: $625.00
Prodrive's GC series line of wheels is manufactured in Japan and uses a unique patented forging technology to achieve the optimal balance between wheel strength and weight. GC wheels are the lightest wheels in the Prodrive family, and like all of Prodrive's wheels, combine high durability and performance handling. The GC-010 wheel is the 10 spoke model of the GC family of wheels.
18” x 7.5” GC-010 Wheel:
Colors: Metallic Silver, British Black, British Gold
Fitment Specs:
Bolt Pattern: 5 X 100mm or 5 x 114.3mm
Offset: +35mm, +44mm, or +48 mm
Weight: 17.5 lbs
+48mm Offset, 5 x 100mm, Metalic Silver Color, Part #: 31107228
+48mm Offset, 5 x 100mm, British Black Color, Part #: 31107229
+48mm Offset, 5 x 100mm, British Gold Color, Part #: 31107230
+48mm Offset, 5 x 114.3mm, Metalic Silver Color, Part #: TBA
+48mm Offset, 5 x 114.3mm, British Black Color, Part #: TBA
+48mm Offset, 5 x 114.3mm, British Gold Color, Part #: TBA
+35mm Offset, 5 x 114.3mm, Metalic Silver Color, Part #: 31107233
+35mm Offset, 5 x 114.3mm, British Black Color, Part #: 31107234
If an 8x18" wheel must be fitted then ET51 will be as good as you will get but don't expect to bolt them straight on and not have to do anything to make sure they don't catch.
Mike, could u take a look at this link please: http://prodrive-usa.com/product_deta...11&pid=123&s=1
would you be able to sell these in this country?
could i get a set of these from prodrive UK?
if not then could you recommend the best fitting wheel for my RB5 please, so I could order these from the USA.
if the link doesnt work, here are the details
GC-010E Wheels – 18” x 7.5”
MSRP: $625.00
Prodrive's GC series line of wheels is manufactured in Japan and uses a unique patented forging technology to achieve the optimal balance between wheel strength and weight. GC wheels are the lightest wheels in the Prodrive family, and like all of Prodrive's wheels, combine high durability and performance handling. The GC-010 wheel is the 10 spoke model of the GC family of wheels.
18” x 7.5” GC-010 Wheel:
Colors: Metallic Silver, British Black, British Gold
Fitment Specs:
Bolt Pattern: 5 X 100mm or 5 x 114.3mm
Offset: +35mm, +44mm, or +48 mm
Weight: 17.5 lbs
+48mm Offset, 5 x 100mm, Metalic Silver Color, Part #: 31107228
+48mm Offset, 5 x 100mm, British Black Color, Part #: 31107229
+48mm Offset, 5 x 100mm, British Gold Color, Part #: 31107230
+48mm Offset, 5 x 114.3mm, Metalic Silver Color, Part #: TBA
+48mm Offset, 5 x 114.3mm, British Black Color, Part #: TBA
+48mm Offset, 5 x 114.3mm, British Gold Color, Part #: TBA
+35mm Offset, 5 x 114.3mm, Metalic Silver Color, Part #: 31107233
+35mm Offset, 5 x 114.3mm, British Black Color, Part #: 31107234
11 May 2004, 11:00 AM
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Those offsets will be too small for a classic on 18's. Mike recommended ET53 for a Classic on 18's and 225's. These USA ones are ET48 for 100mm PCD, a fair bit lower and hence even more likley to rub.
Also Compomotive reccomend an ET50, but this has also been known to rub.
Those offsets will be too small for a classic on 18's. Mike recommended ET53 for a Classic on 18's and 225's. These USA ones are ET48 for 100mm PCD, a fair bit lower and hence even more likley to rub.
Also Compomotive reccomend an ET50, but this has also been known to rub.
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11 May 2004, 11:29 AM
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The wheels on the US site are ET48 and will not fit the older shape cars, but would fit the later 4 door cars as the arches have more clearance. If they did fit we may consider bringing them into the UK but even then it's a bit doubtful as we already have a much cheaper version of the same thing available in the correct spec.
To make sure that you have enough clearance with an 8x18" wheel you would probably need to remove the rubbing strip and dress the arch slightly but this would be at your own risk as the bodywork corrosion warranty would no longer be valid.
Mike
To make sure that you have enough clearance with an 8x18" wheel you would probably need to remove the rubbing strip and dress the arch slightly but this would be at your own risk as the bodywork corrosion warranty would no longer be valid.
Mike
11 May 2004, 11:35 AM
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Only one person has contacted me ref the questions asked on this thread, he managed it quite easily so I don't see what the problem is............
Going by the P1 owners experience I think the plastic arch protector would need to be removed at least to offer a little help, but I think the only way to cure this is to have the the rear wheel arches rolled.
Stefan
11 May 2004, 11:42 AM
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OK glad that's all sorted.
So....
PFF7's are 8" x 18", ET51 and available in Bright Flitter and Gold 'Only'
P-WRC1 7.5" x 18", ET53 and available in Silver, Gold or Anthracite 'Only'
Do we have 5 happy customers i.e is it worth me phoning my order thru' ??
So....
PFF7's are 8" x 18", ET51 and available in Bright Flitter and Gold 'Only'
P-WRC1 7.5" x 18", ET53 and available in Silver, Gold or Anthracite 'Only'
Do we have 5 happy customers i.e is it worth me phoning my order thru' ??
11 May 2004, 11:44 AM
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Not sure for me. I wanted PFF-7's, but I'm not prepared to have the arches rolled.
Need to decide whether I want the P-WRC1's in Silver or not. Sorry, but I need some time to think.
Stefan
Need to decide whether I want the P-WRC1's in Silver or not. Sorry, but I need some time to think.
Stefan
11 May 2004, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeWood
....we already have a much cheaper version of the same thing available in the correct spec.
Mike
Mike
which wheel are u refering to please?
this is the wheel I want:
http://prodrive-usa.com/productImages/123.jpg
the P-WRC1 is different
11 May 2004, 12:04 PM
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Mark,
The offset for that wheel is too small. For an 18" wheel it needs to be somewhere between ET50 & ET53.
From Mikes info 18" x 7.5" x ET53 seems to be the desired size on a classic with 225/35 rubber. Running slightly narrower 215 tyres would allow even more room. The profile ratio 35 or 40 will dictate ride, some handling and whether you like tyres looking like rubber bands
Stefan
The offset for that wheel is too small. For an 18" wheel it needs to be somewhere between ET50 & ET53.
From Mikes info 18" x 7.5" x ET53 seems to be the desired size on a classic with 225/35 rubber. Running slightly narrower 215 tyres would allow even more room. The profile ratio 35 or 40 will dictate ride, some handling and whether you like tyres looking like rubber bands
Stefan
11 May 2004, 12:53 PM
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The P-WRC1 is pretty much the same design (10 T-shaped spokes) although it does have some detail differences. The main things are that they aren't over £400 by the time you've got them here and they fit....
Send me a PM with your RB5 questions and I'll get back to you
Mike
The P-WRC1 is pretty much the same design (10 T-shaped spokes) although it does have some detail differences. The main things are that they aren't over £400 by the time you've got them here and they fit....
Send me a PM with your RB5 questions and I'll get back to you
Mike
11 May 2004, 02:13 PM
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Ok……Just reading thru this thread and am prob more confused now that when I started.
I have a STIUK 03 with prodrive springs and a v-limited lip would like a set of
18" Bright Flitter Prodrive-FF7 Wheel & Pirelli P-Zero Nero tyre - GX, WRX and STi only
Oh and what’s the story with this other colour????????
Many thanks
Mark
I have a STIUK 03 with prodrive springs and a v-limited lip would like a set of
18" Bright Flitter Prodrive-FF7 Wheel & Pirelli P-Zero Nero tyre - GX, WRX and STi only
HELP!!!!!!
Will they fit and how much????? Also any suggestion for a believable story for the girlfriend as to why I have just spent more cash on the car would be appreciated.Oh and what’s the story with this other colour????????
Many thanks
Mark
11 May 2004, 03:26 PM
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Sti Sideways,
you will want these
18” PFF7 – 8” x 18”:
Bright flitter or gold finish
Fits all Impreza 01MY onwards (including STi fitted with Brembo brakes)
But you 'Must' specify that it is an STi in order to get the correct offset to go over the Brembo's (I think this is ET46)
The PFF7 is the same price as the P-WRC1 on the Subaru site, so I assume that it is £187 + Vat without tyres (each) on the Group buy.
Here's a piccie to prove they go over the Brembo's
This is also the same wheel that is used on the Litchfields T25 (as well as the WR1)
you will want these
18” PFF7 – 8” x 18”:
Bright flitter or gold finish
Fits all Impreza 01MY onwards (including STi fitted with Brembo brakes)
But you 'Must' specify that it is an STi in order to get the correct offset to go over the Brembo's (I think this is ET46)
The PFF7 is the same price as the P-WRC1 on the Subaru site, so I assume that it is £187 + Vat without tyres (each) on the Group buy.
Here's a piccie to prove they go over the Brembo's
This is also the same wheel that is used on the Litchfields T25 (as well as the WR1)
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11 May 2004, 03:45 PM
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Thanks Mike for the detailed reply.
So the wheels are available in the 51 offset but not available in the British Pewter colour. Pity as i wanted to keep the look of the P1 similar with the darker wheels.
I'll remain off the list for now.
thanks Mark
So the wheels are available in the 51 offset but not available in the British Pewter colour. Pity as i wanted to keep the look of the P1 similar with the darker wheels.
I'll remain off the list for now.
thanks Mark
12 May 2004, 10:41 AM
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Placed my order over the phone. People I spoke to were very helpful. To clear up any confusion. My P1 and the classics need a quick mod to fit 18s. We just need to trim the bracket which holds on the rear bumper. Its supposed to be really easy and all you need is a stanley knife.
Cheers
Andy
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Cheers
Andy
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what wheel is this? and what colour because this is what i'm looking for in 17's.....
http://img64.photobucket.com/albums/...what_wheel.bmp
http://img64.photobucket.com/albums/...what_wheel.bmp
12 May 2004, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by wrxtasy
what wheel is this? and what colour because this is what i'm looking for in 17's.....
http://img64.photobucket.com/albums/...what_wheel.bmp
http://img64.photobucket.com/albums/...what_wheel.bmp
13 May 2004, 01:38 PM
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I'm in, just can't decide on PFF-7's or P-WRC1.
I've spoken to ChristianR and he reports no rubbing with PFF-7's and Toyo rubber. Also MONEY says his PFF-7's are fine too (running 225/40/18) even when giving the car loads of abuse.
He has P1 suspension already fitted to his classic, so it's identical to my proposed setup.
Stefan
I've spoken to ChristianR and he reports no rubbing with PFF-7's and Toyo rubber. Also MONEY says his PFF-7's are fine too (running 225/40/18) even when giving the car loads of abuse.
He has P1 suspension already fitted to his classic, so it's identical to my proposed setup.
Stefan
13 May 2004, 01:48 PM
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So it looks like this then (I think)
1. ANDYSCOOBS: 18” P-WRC1 Wheel – 7.5” x 18" ET53 - ANTRACITE. Goodyear F1 tyres 225/35/18. Must have Prodrive logo. ORDER PLACED
2. TOPGUNTONE: 18” P-WRC1 Wheel – 7.5” x 18" ET53 - SILVER. Pirelli tyres 225/35/18. Must have Prodrive logo.
3. SCOTT.T: 18” P-WRC1 Wheel – 7.5” x 18" ET53 - GOLD, No Tyres (Pt.No SACC2511).
4. OZZY: 18" PFF7 Wheel - 7.5" x 18" ET51 - Bright Flitter. Prodrive Logo for classic RB5
5. DARIO: 18" PFF7 Wheel- 7.5" x 18" ET51 - Gold. Pirelli P-zero neros.
I will place my order as soon as I see the others have i.e it's likley to go ahead.
Mainly due to my local dealer putting a similar but not as good an offer on the table (about £150 more all inc). If this group by does not move on, then I may well be tempted to bight the bullet and get them local.
1. ANDYSCOOBS: 18” P-WRC1 Wheel – 7.5” x 18" ET53 - ANTRACITE. Goodyear F1 tyres 225/35/18. Must have Prodrive logo. ORDER PLACED
2. TOPGUNTONE: 18” P-WRC1 Wheel – 7.5” x 18" ET53 - SILVER. Pirelli tyres 225/35/18. Must have Prodrive logo.
3. SCOTT.T: 18” P-WRC1 Wheel – 7.5” x 18" ET53 - GOLD, No Tyres (Pt.No SACC2511).
4. OZZY: 18" PFF7 Wheel - 7.5" x 18" ET51 - Bright Flitter. Prodrive Logo for classic RB5
5. DARIO: 18" PFF7 Wheel- 7.5" x 18" ET51 - Gold. Pirelli P-zero neros.
I will place my order as soon as I see the others have i.e it's likley to go ahead.
Mainly due to my local dealer putting a similar but not as good an offer on the table (about £150 more all inc). If this group by does not move on, then I may well be tempted to bight the bullet and get them local.