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21 December 2003, 12:19 PM
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Scooby Si...
email me at mb_3sgte@hotmail.com i'd luv to come along to one of the Scooby meets mate, though car will be off the road in January
... Motec, TC, ARBs, Stage 5, etc etc etc 
I know theres a couple of Scoobs in Nuneaton. There was a Scoob in Coventry with lots of ridiculous 555 stickers, which totally got blown away until i faced oncoming traffic at the Rowley's roundabout (camber change caught me + bold rear tyres) . Lucky i didn't hit anything
But yeah...drop me an email
Cheers
email me at mb_3sgte@hotmail.com i'd luv to come along to one of the Scooby meets mate, though car will be off the road in January
... Motec, TC, ARBs, Stage 5, etc etc etc I know theres a couple of Scoobs in Nuneaton. There was a Scoob in Coventry with lots of ridiculous 555 stickers, which totally got blown away until i faced oncoming traffic at the Rowley's roundabout (camber change caught me + bold rear tyres) . Lucky i didn't hit anything
But yeah...drop me an email
Cheers
21 December 2003, 02:05 PM
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Gypsy,
Those Type-R's really are quick, mate used to have one Thats because of the short gearing so it accelerates very quickly, but sacrifices top end! I'd favour the Supe from 70-100+ though, not that you can really do that
Both good cars designed for different purposes.
I've beaten every impreza I've yet come across including my mates 350bhp/320lb/ft UK Wagon from a standing start all the way to the point we had to brake for the next roundabout. BTW - this was in the wet with RLTC cutting the spark like mad to keep the car in a straight line!!
Man, I love RLTC He reckons in the dry I'd pull even more of a gap
Horses for courses really, who gets the best start, speeds involved etc, and the scoob will almost always win on the roundabout etc!! So theres always run ins like yours in both camps!! One of the Supes may also have been an NA (but not the one with the dv lol!!)
I'd like to see a run in with a type r though - would be interesting to see, they accelerate visciously fast
[Edited by ScoobyJawa - 12/21/2003 2:07:00 PM]
Those Type-R's really are quick, mate used to have one
Thats because of the short gearing so it accelerates very quickly, but sacrifices top end! I'd favour the Supe from 70-100+ though, not that you can really do that Both good cars designed for different purposes.
I've beaten every impreza I've yet come across including my mates 350bhp/320lb/ft UK Wagon from a standing start all the way to the point we had to brake for the next roundabout. BTW - this was in the wet with RLTC cutting the spark like mad to keep the car in a straight line!!
Man, I love RLTC He reckons in the dry I'd pull even more of a gap Horses for courses really, who gets the best start, speeds involved etc, and the scoob will almost always win on the roundabout etc!!
So theres always run ins like yours in both camps!! One of the Supes may also have been an NA (but not the one with the dv lol!!)I'd like to see a run in with a type r though - would be interesting to see, they accelerate visciously fast
[Edited by ScoobyJawa - 12/21/2003 2:07:00 PM]
21 December 2003, 03:43 PM
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I hope no one takes offence at my 'Supra VS Type R' comments and so far your replies have been spot on.
Us scooby owners could learn a thing or two, if anyone even dare mention that they beat a scoob (even a GL) then we're ready for all out war.
I know the Supra is an awesome car and I guess I can't just go on what I've done to two of them in the wet.
I'm sure one will try to redress the balnce at some point.
Us scooby owners could learn a thing or two, if anyone even dare mention that they beat a scoob (even a GL) then we're ready for all out war.
I know the Supra is an awesome car and I guess I can't just go on what I've done to two of them in the wet.
I'm sure one will try to redress the balnce at some point.
21 December 2003, 03:52 PM
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I'd love to come to a 1/4 mile event. I'd like to see how I get on with other cars, Supra's, M3's, Evo's etc.
I'm under no ilusion that I have the fastest car in the world, if I get beat, I get beat.
Let me know when your next having one (in the rain
I'm under no ilusion that I have the fastest car in the world, if I get beat, I get beat.
Let me know when your next having one (in the rain
22 December 2003, 03:41 PM
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Gypsy - where abouts do you live mate? I think I might know who the guy in the Black Supe is.
I have a silver TT with Volk wheels if you ever see me give me a beep and I'll have a go with ya (long as its not raining). I probably wouldn't bother trying it with a powerful 4 wheel drive car as the soop isn't the best when it comes to traction issues.
I am being a bit thick here but what is your type R?
I have a silver TT with Volk wheels if you ever see me give me a beep and I'll have a go with ya (long as its not raining). I probably wouldn't bother trying it with a powerful 4 wheel drive car as the soop isn't the best when it comes to traction issues.
I am being a bit thick here but what is your type R?
22 December 2003, 04:05 PM
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Talking of that, someone's gone very quiet since I posted my power graph. Wonder what he's going to come back with. He's also *still* avoided the issue of the shorter diff on J's. Maybe now's a bad time to mention the SZ that can do a 14.5s 1/4, on street tyres/fuel/trim/blah blah, and as that's a non-turbo and the turbo's are indisputably more powerful...
You posted a dynograph for a MODIFIED Supra. Dear lowered! I'm talking about standard J-spec 280 HP non VVTi Supras, verifiable through rolling road dynos AND their average ET trap speeds!
If you had to prove a point, bring some valid proof!
Heh - it's like that Cossie bloke - everyone concentrates on power when it's *torque* that counts.
22 December 2003, 04:10 PM
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Pub talker? Did you *look* at my graph? £500 worth of mods has given me that result. I've also managed a 14sec 1/4 without trying even slightly hard at all, and cheerfully strolled onto a verified 160mph, in just a mile and a bit.
Of course, you obviously aren't as massively knowledgeable about the Supra as you like to say, otherwise you'd have spotted my deliberate mistake.
[Edited by Beef - 12/22/2003 4:11:36 PM]
Of course, you obviously aren't as massively knowledgeable about the Supra as you like to say, otherwise you'd have spotted my deliberate mistake.
[Edited by Beef - 12/22/2003 4:11:36 PM]
22 December 2003, 04:14 PM
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Look at this newbie right here
Wow cosworth your a real 'old' hand at this with 270 odd posts , what are you doing on a scooby board anyway you should be over on the vauxhall board with all the other cab drivers and nova boys bragging about how you blew away a couple of supras and skylines in yer mega power vauxhalls , i only came to this bbs to learn a little about scoobys (which i can do without posting) and reply to dipsticks like you and Mycrutch who come on to stir things up , BTW my Dyno figures were on Thors new chassis dynamometer (only about £75,000) and the same as the one Abbey motorsport use still it was prob way out , you could run your dustbin on it as it does 4wd but it only measures upto 1600hp will that be enough ????
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Wow cosworth your a real 'old' hand at this with 270 odd posts , what are you doing on a scooby board anyway you should be over on the vauxhall board with all the other cab drivers and nova boys bragging about how you blew away a couple of supras and skylines in yer mega power vauxhalls , i only came to this bbs to learn a little about scoobys (which i can do without posting) and reply to dipsticks like you and Mycrutch who come on to stir things up , BTW my Dyno figures were on Thors new chassis dynamometer (only about £75,000) and the same as the one Abbey motorsport use still it was prob way out , you could run your dustbin on it as it does 4wd but it only measures upto 1600hp will that be enough ????
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Even though I own a MK3 Supra and sold my old Cavalier a year ago, I hope one Turbo Cavlier/Calibra or Corsa gives you a reality check.
The kind of Supra drivers that make me laugh my head off are the kind of just *talks* and concurrently knows absolutely nothing about the car they brag on about. I've got my hands dirty multiple times on my car, upgrades, repairs, timing tune up the works. I have information and have access to further information on my Supra's powerplant, I KNOW the ignition system, air metering system, fueling system and the valve train of the 7M-GTE and 2JZ-GTE.
A standard J-spec with lower lift cams, smaller turbos and smaller injectors matching the Euro spec in maximum power? Na, not on your life!
But who needs knowledge eh?!
I'm sure that throwing away several grand into an engine via Power engineering, botch-job bills and PECO power, thanks to your typical overpaid underworked careers automatically means your cars are exceptional to any other vehicle - modified or standard! I love showing you people the reality of it.
22 December 2003, 04:18 PM
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Of course, you obviously aren't as massively knowledgeable about the Supra as you like to say, otherwise you'd have spotted my deliberate mistake.
So what has your modified 310 rwhp dyno have to do with the debate about a standard J-Spec making no more than 250 HP at the wheels?
Oh that's right, beefy! - you're *torqing" out of your **** again.
22 December 2003, 04:21 PM
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No, I was just curious to see if you disputed the graph itself, or whether or not you thought a J-spec with a bleed valve could produce a curve like that.
It's just hilarious how you seem convinced a J-spec is the slower car when the *real world* experiences of the owners themselves say otherwise.
It's just hilarious how you seem convinced a J-spec is the slower car when the *real world* experiences of the owners themselves say otherwise.
22 December 2003, 04:26 PM
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I live in Poole. The Type R is an Impreza STi Type R.
Basically a STi on steroids. It's a two door Jap import.
It's very different to a UK STi, lighter (just over 1,200kg), more powerful, with so many features over a UK car I wouldn't want to bore you with all of them. It also has a very close ratio box (from the WRC cars) for gut wrenching acceleration. 0-60 in 4.3
Currently running 310bhp (last time I had it on the RR, more likely to be around 320bhp now).
I live in Poole. The Type R is an Impreza STi Type R.
Basically a STi on steroids
. It's a two door Jap import.It's very different to a UK STi, lighter (just over 1,200kg), more powerful, with so many features over a UK car I wouldn't want to bore you with all of them. It also has a very close ratio box (from the WRC cars) for gut wrenching acceleration. 0-60 in 4.3
Currently running 310bhp (last time I had it on the RR, more likely to be around 320bhp now).
22 December 2003, 04:38 PM
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the *real world* experiences
I've heard even more wild claims than those made by you and your net buddies here, so don't worry - I've been there and done that.
22 December 2003, 04:38 PM
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Gypsy - I'll have to keep an eye out for you. I work at Hamworthy Combustion and you can see my car parked near the fence most mornings these days.
I'd try and give ya a run. Should get me boost controller fitted some point after Chrimbo, wil have to make sure I wack the pressure up if I see ya (just to make sure :-))
I'd try and give ya a run. Should get me boost controller fitted some point after Chrimbo, wil have to make sure I wack the pressure up if I see ya (just to make sure :-))
22 December 2003, 04:49 PM
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Claims of *real world* experiences via the internet
I've got my hands dirty multiple times on my car, upgrades, repairs, timing tune up the works. I have information and have access to further information on my Supra's powerplant, I KNOW the ignition system, air metering system, fueling system and the valve train of the 7M-GTE and 2JZ-GTE.
22 December 2003, 05:04 PM
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Cosworth427 - I'm lucky enough to own a UK spec Supra, one of the ones you seem less reluctant to slate in this thread. I've also been to many meets, dyno days, 1/4 mile, top speed etc and I've seen, with my own eyes, standard J-Spec Supras and UK Supras running together. It pains me to admit this but the J-Spec is with the UK spec all the way, there really is no real world difference between them until you start tuning, in standard form them are near identical on the track. Actually on the subject of 'track' the J-Spec is probably slightly quicker thanks to the more responsive turbos.
For the record I recorded a 13.87 1/4 on a 100% standard UK auto, as I've said the J-Spec's I raced at the time were with me at that kind of level too
Once you start throwing a bit of money at the cars the differences really appear - £500 on a J-Spec can see you with near 400bhp whereas the UK spec needs more investment (as I've found!) - however once you exceed the 400bhp mark the UK car becomes the cheaper option again thanks to superior cooling, turbos and fuelling.
The J-Spec vs UK thing is highly unpredictable as stock vs stock they are similar (although the UK spec looks better and is better equipped) and then the J-Spec is the budget tuners dream but limited later on...
You talk a good tale Cosworth427 and at times some of the stuff you say almost sounds like you have a clue but with every post you chip away at your own credability with yet another instance of reluctance to believe the real world experiences of people who own and race these cars.
For actual results have a look at this link:
http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9163&
If you can't access the forum then try this one:
http://monkeymark2001.tripod.com/monkeymark/id6.html
Real world results from real world owners.
For the record I recorded a 13.87 1/4 on a 100% standard UK auto, as I've said the J-Spec's I raced at the time were with me at that kind of level too
Once you start throwing a bit of money at the cars the differences really appear - £500 on a J-Spec can see you with near 400bhp whereas the UK spec needs more investment (as I've found!) - however once you exceed the 400bhp mark the UK car becomes the cheaper option again thanks to superior cooling, turbos and fuelling.
The J-Spec vs UK thing is highly unpredictable as stock vs stock they are similar (although the UK spec looks better and is better equipped
) and then the J-Spec is the budget tuners dream but limited later on... You talk a good tale Cosworth427 and at times some of the stuff you say almost sounds like you have a clue but with every post you chip away at your own credability with yet another instance of reluctance to believe the real world experiences of people who own and race these cars.
For actual results have a look at this link:
http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9163&
If you can't access the forum then try this one:
http://monkeymark2001.tripod.com/monkeymark/id6.html
Real world results from real world owners.
22 December 2003, 08:16 PM
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You're a dork.
and you are a tosser !!!! MK3 supra and now an expert !!!! sorry ***** i only do this for a living , when you can afford a MKIV you will soon learn that the j-spec is the faster variant , anyway i'll leave you to treat your car with some magic rust cure and dream of something fast , you really are a *****
and you are a tosser !!!! MK3 supra and now an expert !!!! sorry ***** i only do this for a living , when you can afford a MKIV you will soon learn that the j-spec is the faster variant , anyway i'll leave you to treat your car with some magic rust cure and dream of something fast , you really are a *****
22 December 2003, 08:23 PM
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and you are a tosser !!!! MK3 supra and now an expert !!!! sorry ***** i only do this for a living , when you can afford a MKIV you will soon learn that the j-spec is the faster variant , anyway i'll leave you to treat your car with some magic rust cure and dream of something fast , you really are a *****
22 December 2003, 08:59 PM
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Tell you what ***** how about you put your money where your mouth is , any drag strip you want next year you get a 3 second start in yer rust bucket !!!! a whole 3 seconds you can be in the next county by then !!! but lets make it interesting bring a £1000 with you and we'll race for that , cant say fairer than that , BTW last time i saw 15 was when i dropped me daughter off to her school disco , so you save your pennies and you can take a grand off an old man and his slow j-spec , get someone to organise it if youve got the bottle , like i said a 3 second start , i'll drive my car there and run on street legal tyres , if you need to get hold of me ***** try here dudersvr@aol.com , put up or shut up !!!!
22 December 2003, 10:59 PM
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Tell you what ***** how about you put your money where your mouth is , any drag strip you want next year you get a 3 second start in yer rust bucket !!!! a whole 3 seconds you can be in the next county by then !!! but lets make it interesting bring a £1000 with you and we'll race for that , cant say fairer than that , BTW last time i saw 15 was when i dropped me daughter off to her school disco , so you save your pennies and you can take a grand off an old man and his slow j-spec , get someone to organise it if youve got the bottle , like i said a 3 second start , i'll drive my car there and run on street legal tyres , if you need to get hold of me ***** try here dudersvr@aol.com , put up or shut up !!!!
crazy dude...Will your challenge prove that a stock J-spec is just as quick as a Euro spec? Or are you just trying to talk tough to MK3 owner with a MK3 that you know NOTHING about now, let alone next year!
If you didnt sound so naive, I would have taken you seriously.
23 December 2003, 08:33 AM
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I want to apologise for the behaviour of my big brother Cosworth427. He's only 13 and still experimenting with his hand as no girl would want him. The only sexual release he gets is winding people up on this forum, as only having 2 inches of manhood means the excitement doesn't last.
The Cos'427 clan apologise most profusely, on behalf of the unemployed gimp which is my brother, (who runs around in a Yugo - The Cav rust bucket is our dad's car), and hope that the scoobynet forum is used in a more adult manner.
Our humblest apologies.
Cosworth 4.27
The Cos'427 clan apologise most profusely, on behalf of the unemployed gimp which is my brother, (who runs around in a Yugo - The Cav rust bucket is our dad's car), and hope that the scoobynet forum is used in a more adult manner.
Our humblest apologies.
Cosworth 4.27
23 December 2003, 08:43 AM
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A snippet for ya
"The people who are usually disappointed are those with UK spec cars, I drive dozens of MKIV's, to be honest i wouldn't have a UK car as a gift, they are as different as chalk and cheese, forget cited power figures, the Jap cars are eager and responsive, they really screwed up with the UK / USA models, IMO. /ducks/
C.Wilson 14/11/03"
Cosworth , thats the point , I DONT care what your car has done to it my offer still stands !!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh and mine aint stock but it is J-Spec
"The people who are usually disappointed are those with UK spec cars, I drive dozens of MKIV's, to be honest i wouldn't have a UK car as a gift, they are as different as chalk and cheese, forget cited power figures, the Jap cars are eager and responsive, they really screwed up with the UK / USA models, IMO. /ducks/
C.Wilson 14/11/03"
Cosworth , thats the point , I DONT care what your car has done to it my offer still stands !!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh and mine aint stock but it is J-Spec
23 December 2003, 10:35 AM
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Dude, is that you?
Toast him buddy!
And whats all this about 2" manhood, thats quite big innit? Cosworth 427 - Give it up mate, the only FACT that I see is everyone replying to this thread saying you don't know what you are talking about, your wrong, and your a gei with a 2" ****.
When will you take the hint?
[Edited by SteveW2 - 12/23/2003 10:47:49 AM]
Toast him buddy!
And whats all this about 2" manhood, thats quite big innit? Cosworth 427 - Give it up mate, the only FACT that I see is everyone replying to this thread saying you don't know what you are talking about, your wrong, and your a gei with a 2" ****.
When will you take the hint?
[Edited by SteveW2 - 12/23/2003 10:47:49 AM]
23 December 2003, 11:40 AM
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Getting back to respected MKIV tuners. And knowledge.
Steve - yes it is Dude.
For those that don't know, he is very well known and respected amongst MKIV owners when it comes to taking MKIV's apart and rebuilding them. Doing engine and body work etc.
Re quote he posted from Chris Wilson. He is one of two of the most knowledgable people in the country when it comes to working on the MKIV, people drive from the other end of the country for his services. The other big name would be Leon at JPS Motorsport in Milton Keynes. The two of them quite simply know the MKIV UK or Jspec better than just about anyone else.
So you can make your decisions yourself on who to believe.
[Edited by ScoobyJawa - 12/23/2003 11:42:22 AM]
Steve - yes it is Dude.
For those that don't know, he is very well known and respected amongst MKIV owners when it comes to taking MKIV's apart and rebuilding them. Doing engine and body work etc.
Re quote he posted from Chris Wilson. He is one of two of the most knowledgable people in the country when it comes to working on the MKIV, people drive from the other end of the country for his services. The other big name would be Leon at JPS Motorsport in Milton Keynes. The two of them quite simply know the MKIV UK or Jspec better than just about anyone else.
So you can make your decisions yourself on who to believe.
[Edited by ScoobyJawa - 12/23/2003 11:42:22 AM]