Scooby96

"numbers guy : So 10% out of 64 million makes 100 does it?"

WTF - I didnt say 100 out of 65M makes 10% - I said a poll in my office revealed a 10% aversion to the Iraq war.

So where does all this "the majority were against it" crap come from??

[Edited by Scooby96 - 11/20/2003 3:56:06 PM]

NACRO

quote: "So where does all this "the majority were against it" crap come from??"

I don't know, out of your head perhaps 'cos I certainly haven't said that on this thread.

AndyBrew

"Advertiser man: As for my views on capitalism I believe to beat the system you have to play it at it's own game and make yourself independant of it- which I am well on the way to doing. One in the eye for all those who are going to be spending the rest of their lives working to make others richer, the sickness of the system is exactly what is going to set me free from it."

Is this statement not exactly what capitalism is all about

entertaining thread, keep it up

Scooby96

NACRO - apologies I wasnt inferring you'd said that just that all those lilly-livered anti war pansies generally spout that rubbish as gospel.

Just to pointing something out- my arithmetic isnt that shot!!

BTW I havent replied to your email re property developing yet but I will - where abouts are you sunning yourself?

[Edited by Scooby96 - 11/20/2003 4:10:43 PM]

NACRO

quote: "Is this statement not exactly what capitalism is all about"

Yes, exactly to beat the system you have to play the game and win- screw ethics, screw other people and ultimately screw society in order to "win" and gain your freedom from a lifetime of indentured labour. Doesn't mean you have to agree with it though. Let me put it this way you are in prison and want to escape, do you deny the fact of your incarceration and sit in your cell eating porridge or do you start digging a tunnel with your cutlery?
Ulitimately capitalism is about grabbing all the resources for yourself, more than you could ever need and denying those resources to others that will probably die without them. I plan to leave the game without chasing that ultimate victory but having won my freedom. We'll see how it works out, phase 1 "escape from the UK" is already completed.

NACRO

An interesting point on the radio just now 96- the BBC estimated about 100,000 protesters and a very mixed crowd according to the reporter.
Shame it won't make a blind bit of difference.

AndyBrew

Nacro

I'm a little unsure as to exactly what it is your profoundly claiming? You really don't seem that different to anybody else I know. Although from your comments I assume you have achieved a modicum of success in your enterprises.

Is your idealism a communist type state with wealth distributed equally amongest all?

unclebuck

Just likes boasting I think.

"They are particularly concerned that as many as 1,000 European anarchists have targeted the event for their own purpose.

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir John Stevens said they were "absolutely intent on not carrying out peaceful protests and mischief-making".

Wonder how these protesters "from all backgrounds" will feel about themselves when this lot kick off. As usual they've been duped by the hard left. Just like last time.

Scooby96

"March and rally organisers such as the Stop the War campaign, CND and the Muslim Alliance had estimated that there could be up to 100,000 people involved but police anticipated closer to 30,000 to 40,000."

Even 100,000 or 150,000 its still an insignificant amount of people - it would take the whole populous and that just aint gonna happen beacuse its FACT not everyone was against it

[Edited by Scooby96 - 11/20/2003 4:48:47 PM]

ProperCharlie

I agree with narco that you have to understand the system to work it to your advantage. i was interested in marxism in my "youth" and still am, but i run a business and make myself more wealthy than the people that work in it. i can explain how i benefit by the excess value created by the employees labour, although in a marxist sense I am not a true capitalist as i do not have enough capital - i still have to sell my own labour to the enterprise, i am just nearer to the top of the food chain. i am astute enough to realise that there isn't going to be a socialist revolution in the near future, so i might as well do what i can to make things comfortable for myself. i might retire to france in 10 years or the business might go bust and i'll be back on the scrapheap.

NACRO

quote: "Nacro
I'm a little unsure as to exactly what it is your profoundly claiming? You really don't seem that different to anybody else I know. Although from your comments I assume you have achieved a modicum of success in your enterprises.
Is your idealism a communist type state with wealth distributed equally amongest all?"

No my ideal would be a society where people care and share for each other while caring for the planet. As that's just a pipe dream I'll just settle for getting my own freedom from the tyranny of the system.
The greatest successes I've achieved in my life have nothing whatsoever to do with money. As for boasting I've had that accusation levied at me before here on scoobynet. I'll reply in the same manner as I did then- if you see it as boasting it says more about what goes on in your head ie the one upmanship endemic in the UK psyche. What would be the point boasting to an audience of people who I don't know and on the whole wouldn't ever want to meet?
I just like to respond in kind to the sort of people who started this thread, can't have them deluding themselves that everyone thinks like they do.

NACRO

Interesting Proper Charlie, I studied Marxism as well, from an early age in fact as both my parents were revolutionary Marxists(Citizen Smith stylee) it's a good tool for understanding the way capitalism works.

Like you I wouldn't be considered a true capitalist by a Marxist as I to have to sell my labour. I'm working on generating more capital that will eventually go out and do my work for me. By then I'll be a true capitalist and hopefully still less than 40. Here's hoping

ProperCharlie

when i was into marxist (late 80s & early 90s) the revolutionary communists i hung around with were considered mad and dangerous and "too far left" by the other SWP style lefties. but to me they were a lot more interesting. they weren't singing "don't spend mony on war and death - spend it on the NHS", they were trying to look a little beyond that. in the end they actually gave up themselves, which i thought was quite an interesting bit of political analysis. in any case, you really shouldn't have put that bit in about "by the time i'm 40". That's just saying *look at me* ffs

cheers,

Charlie.

unclebuck

"My ideal would be a society where people care and share for each other while caring for the planet."

Given you constant misanthropic comments I find that pretty hard to imagine.

NACRO

quote: "in any case, you really shouldn't have put that bit in about "by the time i'm 40". That's just saying *look at me* ffs"

I can't quite see that, I'm not even 30 yet, 40 seems like an age away, Actually I hope it's before I'm 35. Still working on it.

UB- you'll just have to take my word regarding utopia.

Scooby96

Apparently my gf's friend went up with her other half whos a bit prone to being schizophrenic, well he throws a wobbly in the taxi on the way home then attacks her when she says she's off to get a train - punches her in the face and drops her to the ground where he starts kicking her in the head - some 'Peace March' - quite ironic if you ask me!

Jye

--prone to being schizophrenic--

Do you mean he's prone to being volatile or that he had a psychotic episode of some sort due to schizophrenia?

Schizophrenia is a chronic, severe, and disabling brain disease.

Scooby96

I meant that he is schizophrenic and hasnt been taking his medication and drank quite a lot that day - allegedly!

Police are hoping to have caught it on CCTV and there were witnesses (an American couple) who intervened.

Peace loving people on that march my @rse

DanTheMan

f..king hippies

Jye

I dont see how the march has anything to do with his ill health.
I'm a bit confused as to why you see any correlation between the two.

TelBoy

So NARCO, how does accumulation of wealth from property investments sit with Marxism?

I don't fully understand the (your) gameplan, despite all you've said. What's the final destination then? Isn't financial security what most of us strive for, whether pretending to operate under an idealist umbrella or not? Why knock capitalism when it has afforded you all the opportunities that you have taken advantage of?

Sure, knowing how to maximise the gains from it is one thing, but espousing Marxism as an ideal state is something i can't see how you personally can advocate. Do you do so in subliminal deference to your parents i wonder?

Jye

--f..king hippies--

Is that the people at your Hawaiian engagement party party your describing