The Fixer

Adam,

That doesn't sound like Won't

Still undecided what to do really.....

My car hasn't turned out to be what it should have been, given the amount of money and parts that I have thrown at it. Dissapointed to say the least but more of this later....






[Edited by RSVR Racer - 9/25/2003 11:27:56 AM]

[Edited by RSVR Racer - 9/25/2003 11:28:56 AM]

David_Wallis

next time your in leeds let me have a look over it and Ill let you look over mine etc..

David

P20SPD

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What about yours cars, will you have time

[Edited by P20SPD - 9/25/2003 3:51:50 PM]

Adam M

conrad,

yhm.

you will not suffer the same failure as me because your block will be stronger.

David_Wallis

adam, thats bullsh1t.. depends on How he gets the 2500cc..

David

Adam M

I know that he is not going to be following the route I did the first time round.

I believe he is doing the same as me now, and in which case the welds will not crack because there are no welds.

it therefore will not fail in the same way as mine and thus is not bullsh1t.

The Fixer

Going down the route (winter project) when I get this one running right of EJ22t block, machined out, large bore liners (Auz origin), EJ25 crank. Not sure on heads, cams, just yet.

In the meantime, got to try & get this one right, major embarressment in woodall services tonight on the way home, loads of people looking at the car and the F*%^ER wouldn't start, poping and banging like a ford cortina on a cold winters morning.


I think the map needs adjusting somewhat for starting up!

Hopefully I will try & get over to Elvington Sunday and catch up with you guys....

Conrad


[Edited by RSVR Racer - 9/25/2003 9:36:15 PM]

Cord

am on my way towards a 2.2 but what is everyones opinions on the strength of standard rod's?

Trout

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Cord,

uprated ones are MUCH stronger...

...standard ones have been known to break on tuned cars. Not very regular - but certainly known.

Rannoch

Andy.F

I've had no problems with standard rods in my car but for the cost (£300-£700 a set depending where you shop) I'd upgrade if you're looking to run over 400bhp and/or 7500 rpm

Andy

Cord

I currently have uk heads so will be doing some kind of mods to get some more revs, not sure what exactly I will be doing until i've got it in bits and found out what my options are. I am planning on cicra 400bhp.
Andy, If you're running standards at 440bhp , why do you recommend I upgrade? and whats available, the only ones I've heard good reports on are PAR.

Andy.F

When I started tuning my car, various 'experts' on this board told me that "run with over 300lb-ft and std rods break" Then there was a "no way std internals will take 400 bhp" which then had added "for very long" ......then everyone started aiming for 400 on std internals !

I guess I'm just as bad now suggesting you go for aftermarket rods at 400 bhp/7500rpm ! Until someone tests them at at a higher figure for an extended period then it remains a gamble in my opinion. Personally I'm not prepared to test them any further. I have broken Cossie rods with similar power/torque and 8000rpm and the cossie rod looks much meatier than the scoob one

Eagle rods approx £300 from USA, well proven on V8's /scoobs in USA
Pauter rods approx £500 from USA, well proven on scoobs in USA
PAR rods approx £600 from Auz or Mark, well proven in Auz
Arrow rods £ ??? from Roger Clark, well proven in the UK

I'm sure there are more (such as HKS) which I have had no feedback on.

cheers

Andy

Cord

Cheers Andy, new rods it is then. Bugger, best go do a bit more overtime then!!

Andy.F

You might consider this option for a 2.0 or contact them and see if they do 2.2 pistons with the kit ?

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=385429

"Forged JE pistons, H beam rods, wrist pins, locks and plasma moly rings; $759"

Thats only £470 !!!! Even if it cost £100 to ship (which it won't) it looks like an excellent buy to me


Andy

Cord

Cheers dude, just sent them an email. But it does seem pretty cheap.

I wish Rod specialised in subaru's instead of those big heavy Datsun's. Having a root round the workshop yesterday and I reckon i found enough bits to build 3 skyline engines!!

Mr J

So Andy you did you get my mail about the rods&pistons...?


/Jan

Andy.F

No

Cord

Inlet fanimolds, Are all you increased capacity big bhp users still on the stock inlet manifold? Do EJ20/22/25 engines all use the same manifold? I know on some of our faster skylines we have had good results from fabricating bigger plenum chambers, and machining throttle bodies from 45 to 50.

Mr J

That explains why I got no answer ..then

/Jan

David_Wallis

I use an 80mm throttle body..

Im going to run a tb per port on phase 2. (oops did I let something slip)

David

Andy.F

David, you are at risk of turning into an Adam Shouldn't you be concentrating on getting Phase 1 to run properly first ?

Geez, I really feel the need to bitch today

Andy

P20SPD

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Andy, you always bitch;(, just dont go near a dog

Cord

Never mind your petty squabbles!!!! Oy Wallis more info? mail me if you like. What about the actual manifold tho, is it different on different size engines?

David_Wallis

no not different..

andy, shut the f uck up!

Ill sort phase 1, but Ill be bored..

need to get my hands dirty..

David

Triple X

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Cord, what are your plans m8? Considering going down a similar route (building an engine) rather than spending ££££'s on stuff to bolt onto my current engine which i could sell after building something stronger.

Cord

David; Did you notice much differnce from the oversize throttle body, or too amny bits done at once to tell?

Triple X; thought you said you were leaving it standard!!! Pop down i'll tell you.

David_Wallis

far too much done.. in theory though it can flow a lot more CFM.

David

ams-crd

hi we at calder racing dev have been running a 2.2 jun crank,rods,pistons with aclosed deck block in our sti v4 cpe running 505bhp see your dyno page (well lane)to early to talk about reliability. fast though ran a 11.9 at crail an air field 1/4 mile hope to do better at santa pod soon. have jun kits on way from japan

Triple X

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Standard?! Link ECU etc...
I was thinking of going down the FMIC and bigger turbo route but id like to build up a stronger engine so it doesnt go pop after fitting more mods.
Im on a course today so wont have time unfortunately.

Triple X

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Cord or anyone else for that matter, if your aiming for around 400bhp then what advantage does going for a larger capacity bore give you, am i right in thinking that it means you can run lower boost for the same output, and also have a more torquey engine. Or does it give you more room for even more power? (or all the above?)
The reason i ask is that im currently trying to gather info as to which way to go if i was going to put an engine together. Harvey's getting big power from his 2Ltr so why go bigger?

All advise is greatfully received.