mrjoff

they are both very good cars but very different also. the exige pisses on the scoob for handling while an sti would get the upper hand in the wet. Scoob more practical Exige more fantastic looking. With regards to the body off for new battery comment, that applies to the 340R not the exige.

ex-webby

echoing what others have posted, the exige is an astonishing piece of vehicle engineering.

"not a good track car"??

I'm surprised that you would come to this conclusion. It is one of the most performant road going track cars available. Would eat the majority of road car for breakfast on a race circuit.

Scoobies are incredible cars, mainly because they allow an inexperienced driver to go quickly in relative safety and with relative ease. There are countless road cars that are potentially faster on a dry circuit, the exige being one of them.

The "road blat" you encountered ended how it did because the driver was not able to exploit the benefits of the car.

All the best

Simon

TON3

Yep the exige would make a scoob look very silly on a track!

Scoobybits

my comment regards it not being a good track car was aimed at the build quality issues not its abilities..and also that if it was my cash i personally think there are alternatives..
i agree track encounter exige v scoob in the dry would be a different story..
again the reason for post was to educate myself as to exactly what an exige was.....
think we all know i bit more now..and as for the exige owner perhaps he should save from some instruction as to how to make even better use of his car???however people be under no illusion this guy was far from a novice.....
perhaps it was the ballast in the back of my car that gave me the edge???????
as for the above as yet unanswered comment as to "get a proper car"
each to there own and for me i am lucky enough for the minute to drive what i really want to......imho a car should be able to;
be an enjoyable drive..be it driven hard or not..whatever the weather,
reliable...,
be able a daily driver and able to manage both the school run,and the "tip" run.....etc
and yet still maintain a little of a "q" car image..
the bonus with scooby i have found is the countless good times i have had on drive out's /days out with fellow owners..you know who you are..
for me for know..... WAGONS RULE..!..J

EDDIE`5COOB

Jase I didn`t realise it was you but I was at Halfords and witnessed your little head too head on the dual carriageway.
The woman in the "Lotus" must have been at least 60 maybe older and at the time I thought "whys that lad pestering that nice old lady"
she must have thought you were a car jacker,by the way it was a metro not a Lotus.

LOL

Eddie your m8

Scoobybits

had you been to halfords for some stickers pal??? pmsl..
trust you !! we will leave the metro racing to you and your mate in the delta!!
eddie..follow me i know a good road!!!!!trust me its a beaut..(just fold your mirrors in first!!!!!!!!!!!)
by the way pack your arm bands for skeggy mate...

EDDIE`5COOB

Why arm bands? your not planning on soaking me are you?
You should know all these narrow roads from when you feed the cattle from the back of your farmers truck that you drive.( no offence Daza ) yours is a proper motor.

Dazapc

Non taken Eddie'5coob......

Nice 1 Jase....."A wagon shows yet again how it should be done"!!!!!
Daza.....
Wagons Rule

[Edited by Dazapc - 8/23/2003 9:50:12 PM]

johnfelstead

i have never seen an exige driven quickly on the road or track, they are always easy pickings in my experience. They are a very overated car with not a lot of power/weight.

They look nice though, which is probably the apeal for the owners as they dont seem to be able to drive them.

DuggE4

Usual scenarios.......usual replies.............so predictible its tragic

DuggE4

or even predictable

Uldis

Jasemac,

I have an Exige, and maybe I'm odd, but if I found you on the street, I would be going at my usual pace, which is often within the speed limits. Probably get to the speed limit quick and stay there (or thereabouts).
I sometimes get "raced" by a Max Power type car, I mean, at least they believe they are racing.
They get away, I look at them. I wonder later their stories at the pub.

What I mean is that driving quicker (than normal) on the road it may appear to a third party that as racing, and therefore they gas it and leave with a nice impression that they have just raced somebody.

You are pretty sure you raced him, why? did you stop? did you both talk or make a bet?

On the track it's another thing, I go!.
John was mentioning they are usually easy pickings...
Hmmm, John, as in any other car there are committed drivers and Sunday drivers, yes, even at the track.

I am going to be at Donington park on Sept 24. It's going to be a great full track day, open pit lane, hosted by Bookatrack.
I'm also going to be tomorrow 25th at Knockhill.

I invite you both.

I never race on the street.
Absolutely no need, no pleasure, no sense of achievement.

Uldis


PS - it's true, the car is really quick, road or track, but you have to be committed, to exploit their real advantage: corner speed. Jumping from an Impreza to an Exige is not going to happen immediately, it will take time to readjust the senses and know how to take advantage of its strengths.

PS2 - as with any car, if they're not looked after they will break. I've had mine from new and although used to its full capabilities on track, I've had only one alternator belt break at 2000 miles. No leaks, no noises, no problems starting, no funny things.
And if you ask anybody that knows me, I like to go out (track) for 1 hr stints at a time

Houlbt

.

[Edited by Houlbt - 8/24/2003 4:50:52 PM]

turbonutterdoomer

Good Thread.

What can I say, both great cars, It has to be said that the standard Scoob isn't really a fast car by comparison, but, how many are standard.

I was lucky enough to get a drive in a 375 bhp Scooby yesterday, and that would have eaten the Exige for breakfast on track or road, (and has done on the track, it has beaten a supercharged Exige).

In answer to your first question, the Exige is loosly based on the Elise S1, but it is a race set up, different suspension, wheels, tyres, brakes, and modded engine and exhaust.

I am also lucky enough to have been out in the VX220 Sprint (VXR), try to imagine 240 bhp - 289 ib/ft in a stripped out VX and with full Exige chassis, brakes, wheels and cut slicks. Now thats a car that would give a modded Scooby a pasting.

As stated though, both very different cars, if you want four seats an engine that can be modded to supercar performance for a few grand and sound like no other car, its gotta be the Scooby, if you want a stunning looking and sounding car that drives like a go-cart, go for the Exige, if you want to embariss Exige drivers, wait for the VXR to be launched.

Dark Blue Mark

John,

Weren't you the chap who went round the ring in an Impreza sport, quicker than some of the big Porshes? Might be wrong. All I think is that all these power figures etc, still depend on the pilot...

MB

Uldis

Remember that the VX220 Sprint will be about 200 Kg heavier and have none of the aerodynamic advantages the Exige has.

I'm looking forward to see one running hard on track.
I saw one last time at Donington, they were running it (as many other cars). But maybe they were having problems or testing something because it was not running fast at all.

And turbonutter, again, "it has beaten a Superchaged Exige at the track..." how do you know? were you there? Maybe, but you just got a ride in a 375 BHP Scooby. It was not you driving, neither before.

Just to say that it's very strange to claim, to be sure of something that way.

Could it be the old "mine is bigger" thing?

turbonutterdoomer

Hi Uldis.

You must be one of the know it alls I have heard about on Scoobynet, I'm not going to get into an argument with such a knowledgable guy as yourself, you obviously know everything and drive the fastest car in the world. (end of having a go)

I will just say that I have driven a few scoobies, I used to sell them, I was lucky enough to drive the Scoob yesterday and it was bloody fast (above 4250 rpm).

And the standard VX220 Turbo weighs 930 KG, the sprint (prototype) is stripped of anything that weighs anything, so doesn't weigh that much more than the Exige, but has twice the torque and from low down.

I take it you drive an Exige and have taken exeption to what I wrote, for that I apologise, The Exige and Elise are very capable cars that would thrash most things on the track. But your not always on the track, are you?

Anyway, the Exige is faster than an Subaru, a very modified Subaru is faster than the Exige (and I'm not just refering to engine mods either)and the VXR is faster than both, like it or not, there are faster more capable cars out there than that which we drive.

I will point out that when I say the VXR, this is a one of non-production car, the production cars will be anounced soon, and may be a slightly different spec, we will have to wait and see.

Light fuse.....stand back.....

Type R

Having been on track with lots of Exiges, I like John in my old car found that most didnt seem to be proving the potential, but having been in a few including David's he proved that a well driven Exige can keep up a higher pace than most.

Now I have my Elise I think I can understand why a lot are driven slower IMHO I find it a lot harder to drive than my old car, and it is not as quick, but the smile factor is much higher.

John have you driven one, as I would like to see you pilot one round Donny, don't think much would touch you.

PS John can you send me my video tape back. Ta

Uldis

Nutter,

as you can see from my newbie status I am seldom here, you can find me more often in the S_E bb or Exiges.com.
And no, I don't know it all, if anything I'm one of the guys that constantly learns.

As far as driving the fastest car in the world, no, but who can claim that? Is Ferrari the fastest in F1? quickest? don't they have a championship to find that out?

Fast, quick, faster, beat him, etc, all are subjective views, and my point is that you can't take other's ego comments for granted.
Even if you pass somebody doesn't mean you're better than him. Or his car. That's what races are for.
And we are talking about road, no racing involved.

So, I take it you fancy the VXR. You like more torque, not bad, good for you!.
Me? Torque is really felt an needed in the road, not so much at the track.
And I have just enough torque like it is now.

Meanwhile I will enjoy my Exige, it's a car that is built exactly like I think a car should be. Is not slow by any means.
And if you see me at any road, you will pass me (and believe me, you will know it's me).
I'll leave the go-fast antics for the track. And if you see me there, you'll know it's me.

By the way, I also fancy a Scooby in the future, therefore my presence here.
It's a different animal and it has 4 seats!.

Uldis

Mr Leigh

The quoted 0-60 figures for the Exige might be fast. But from what I have seen its not as fast as a Subaru on the move. The power of the Scoob lets you jump more cars and on real world UK roads where you never drive below 80mph for most bends the Exige falls away. The standard Exige just feels gutless at the top end.

Dave T-S

For the sake of accuracy, the VXR is NOT based on the full Exige chassis. It has the VXT tub and some of the Exige suspension

Chris L

Mr T-S

Good to hear from you - how's the new car (and when do I get a ride )

Chris

Dave T-S

Howdy Mr L Nice to hear from you too

VXT is nicely run in now.

About to get a Milltek exhaust and PiperX Viper induction kit for +32bhp, so I would say anytime after that

Chris L

Knew you wouldn't resist modding it

Chris

BT52b

Some really useful comments here from people from have clearly never driven one.

"£1000 to change the battery at the dealer" ????
Eh? Think you're getting a bit confused there....

And what is all this about build quality. I have more build quilty issues with our Impreza than with our Exige which has been faultless.

You can't compare a turbo'd family saloon car to a proper mid-engined sports car.

The Exige is simply in another league in terms of feedback abilty and fun. It would take a VERY heavily modified Scoob to beat one round a track, and what's the point of comparing one modified car aginst one unmodified....? As mentioned, a supercharger will get it upto 270bhp and then it's bye bye to the modified Scoobs as well.

But sheer power is not what it is all about. The Scoob feels like a truck after an Exige.
On the other hand, the Impreza is far better at carrying shopping.

Mark

Scoobybits

b52b.. comments from some one who has owned both then at last..!!
my original intention was not to compare more of a case of what it was..now i know....!!
sorry if you do not agree with comments re build quality but think that this is a reputation lotus will never shake off..
regards track day challenge.. no probs would love to entertain it having got nothing to prove....!!
thought the exige sounded ace,looked awesome,and the owner gave me a race so top marks to him...
i would never buy one though !! same as he would probably never want my car!!
a lot of people on these forums get far to aggressive with threads like this when clearly there is no need,most of us one here have respect and appreciate anything just slightly different!!
threads that contain anything versus anything will always draw comment and reaction for obvious reason but what i find hard to digest is certain members refuse to admit that sometimes what is written in black and white is not always transmitted to the road,that is why encounters such as these are interesting..
like i said previously the underdog will just sometimes genuinely win for no apparant reason than that it his "day"!!
i often race bikes or "quicker" cars from the lights etc knowing full well i am 9 times out of ten likely to get left for dead.. just sometimes though they give it too much throttle(or its wet,or near the twisties!!)_ and i am off..that is priceless..and always worth losing the other nine races for..(and not being big headed but i don't lose too many,think the shock off a "station wagon" kicking **** has still that shock appeal!!)
also people what is wrong with being a good loser? you mardy ***** out there know who you are!!!!
keep smiling people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and remember we pay all this cash out for crappy running costs and mental insurance costs for a reason..we like quick cars..and refuse to grow up...
some good replies though..keep em coming!!

DavidBrown

As mentioned before, the Exige vs Scoob thread has been done on this BBS at least 2x before.

New Exiges were £29K. 3 years later, they're around £20K private, or £25K at dealers. I don't think a £29K Scoob will hold it's value as well, and parts are cheap as chips (Have you seen the price of 22B body panels ). How much £££ did P1 owners lose over 3yrs ? So, sure Exiges do look expensive "for what you get", but they hold their value well.

It's a good thing that you've not seen an Exige driven quickly on the road I would have thought, keeping such antics for the track ?
I've had good fortune to be driven around circuits by the likes of Don Palmer / Mark Hales etc. and was truly astonished by what Exiges were capable of in the right hands. I think the Exiges (dry) capabilities are far beyond that of a Scooby, it's a law of physics thing (weight, downforce etc) but that's not to say those who buy them can/do exploit that potential.

I'm not sure who "turbonutter" is referring to when he says he beat an Supercharged Exige on track, mine is one of maybe 3-4 TT260 Supercharged Exiges and to my knowledge, I've not been "beaten" (overlooking the racing connotations of a non-competitive track day). The closest that anyone has come was MellowYellow when he was on slicks (I was on road tyres), and he cutting across chicanes (I stayed on the track). He caught me as I met traffic, I let him by and then stayed with him for 7-8 pebble-dashed laps ! I can't drive for toffee either (or any other confectionery inducement).. Again, in the right hands..

It's the same old RWD / 4WD argument.. where 4WD makes heroes of the lesser skilled.

Chiark, was that me you passengered with ?

I loved both my Exige and Scooby, they're completely different animals, so comparing them seems a bit pointless.