Alan C

Richi,

Many thanks for that mate, a superb feature on the jammer and pretty comprehensive too.

A few things that you didn't cover is the legality of the fit, its use and the ability of the laser operator to know he's been jammed.

Have you looked into what happens if the police find the unit on searching? They of course would need to be aware that they were jammed and that the unit was ON. I know the unit is legal to own, but what about fitting?

Can you say what reading the laser gave as it was being jammed, was it obvious to the operator that something was amiss?

Because if it was, then there would be nothing stopping you being pulled anyway, and an operator searching your car for the jammer. Awkward questions then ensue.

Best case would be for him to think that he hadn't got a good lock until you were doing the right speed.

Too many questions! My other thread on trying to get a demo has now fallen through. Seeing that you are local, it would have been interesting to have seen your demo. Oh well, maybe next time?

Give me a shout offline if you want.

Alan C

Ajax,

MY02 WRX with Magnex BB from the look it. No PPP? Tut Tut...

What do I win?

[Edited by Alan C - 7/7/2003 10:58:24 PM]

Ajax

Alan C: Toss all - Not So, its an MY03, well you don’t win a TEC-2
Because you cant see my Chip M8

Cant wait to see your face if they find a jammer fitted on your car and you get dun for speeding because the detector was in the wrong place on yer vehicle.

Perverting the course of justice, heavy **** M8

Ajax

RichiW :
To Quote:-
sit behind the grill waiting to be activated

Detection is from a vertical surface reflected back to the laser, so that would be your windows from a bridge, or even the large vertical boot area of your impreza.

Did not see that tested M8

Quote:-
Others weren’t quite so good, BuRRs units required a little tweaking (moving) so as to get them to "cloak" him fully

Cloak him, what’s this Star Trek

Typical distance is around 100m with a 250mm beam on the target.
They don’t target you at long range because it is all over your car, they wait till you are close and laser a precise area as they have a 250mm lens with a 2x converter on it

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Alan C

Ajax,

If I find out these things are completely illegal, then I won't be buying. But I've had one or two people say they are. Then others fitting and testing them. What's the score? Where's the proof either way?

I've not actually read anything at the mo as to their 'overall' legality. What I mean about overall is in the sense of a radio scanner.

You can buy them with ease from Maplins. You can plug em in and listen to the lovely aircraft etc etc all day long. But you can't listen in to the frequencies occupied bt the emergency services.

Now, we've all done that haven't we? yeah right. This is an un-enforcable law, that is actually quite stupid.

The people who listen in to the police to obtain tactical and strategic information for their own benefit etc are the very people who are breaking the law on a regular basis, or who are intending to break the law.

You and I listening are just doing it for the interest, and then for a few minutes before getting bored. The law is intended as a blanket to try and prevent people from using the system to beat the police, of which 99.99% of people have no such intention.

I agree that a laser jammer is a different beast.
But is its sole purpose to beat the police and help you speed?
Or is it a device to help preserve your licence from that ONE time you stray over the limit? Because someone owns a jammer, does that mean they wish to use it to defeat the police in every aspect and speed everywhere?

Yes? Therefore jammers they should be banned. So should the speeder.
No? Then the owner may be trying to be a safer motorist by employing devices to help him do just that.

Does upgrading my brakes mean that because I can can slow faster I can go faster? Does that extra power from a PPP mean that I am going to go faster everywhere?

If so. Then the majority of all user on this BB are guilty as charged.

My questions to Richi are one of genuine interest. We could all do with a definitive answer. Not just suppositions.

I think I'll go an lie down now....


[Edited by Alan C - 7/8/2003 12:02:52 AM]

RichiW

Hi,

While trying to get fix on the car, the Lasar gun just made the noise it normally makes if your not on target.The idea been i'd slow down and turn off the jammer once i clock the copper, there for allow him to get a lock on me once i get near/below the speed limit.

Legality of it is sketchy, i read a report of a guy been arrested for Perverting the Course of Justice but as the story goes, he was deliberately baiting the police by driving up and down past them, it wasn't simply a case of driving into a speed trap.

On the topic of been picked up on lasar from a bridge or from behind, highly probable i would say, though there are units that jam to the rear aswell as to the front on the market.I personally always look up slip roads as i drive past them on the motorway just to check for Police lasaring down at cars.

At the end of the day you cannot rule out every possible way the police may catch you, but you can certainly cut down the chances of been caught for speeding.I currently run a Morpheus Geodesy in conjunction with the Jammer.

In built up areas i turn the jammer off, as generally i'm not speeding and can do without been pulled for using it! In turn lowering my chances of been caught using it, as this is where most (BUT NOT ALL) lasar guns are used.As stated on the website, its the use of lasar guns in national speed limits that will lose me my license, not the use of them in built up areas!

Alan C

I think the law will remain sketchy until one or two people are taken to court and things will then tighten up. I think your right about how it is used.

Baiting the police will only make them more determinded to do you good and proper. Getting pulled becuase they 'think' they were jammed, to find a fitted and 'switched off' unit will inevitable come down to the circumstances it was used in and by whom.

I still stick by my argument that jammers can be argued either way of the law 'line'. I would certainly like to check out their leagality a bit more as I don't want to be one of those pioneering soles who has to go to court in order to get the law firmed up.

How many radar detector owners went through that stage before they legalised them?