Webmaster - I'm sorry, but I don't see the point of you having started this thread if you're not prepared to be open about the reasons for removing MyCroft......

"Unfortunately we have reached a point where it is clear that Mycroft is unable to simply be a part of the community. I can post countless examples of this, but I am sure most of you will know."

Apparently not. I, like many others, have read MyCroft's threads and am, frankly, bemused at this stance. Please explain the rationale?

"Nobody has lost their rag and your statements as to why this decision has been taken are way off the mark"

My interpretation of the thread that was locked are that the mods were getting personally annoyed with MyCroft. 'Lost their rag' is a bit strong but certainly there appeared to be a fair amount of emotion involved.

Removing someone can certainly be justified, but the justification needs to be clearly articulated. Without this then the board is de-valued as users will not know what the boundaries are.

Gordo

 

You know my view on it, and I'm not going to go into one here, I've probably said quite enough previously.

However, what's all this "shall we ban him?" business? The webmaster/mods should decide! Is a vote cast every time anyone is up for banning on here?

 

Everyone deserves a second chance, have you tried asking him to tone down his posts/comply with the T&C's?

 

Well I rather feel that he has such a reputation for being a pillock that his posts are all taken with a pinch of salt.
Give him a 1 month ban if you wish to make the point.
There are others that post with more offensive views i think.

 

Bye bye cut & paste Microft.

Should have gone a while ago.

 

Simon, FWIW: I am inclined to be against a ban.

I was one of the first that got "reeled in" by him, but I was amazed by how rude he seemed compared to his posts on MLR etc... I then stopped playing as I felt nothing good could come from it.

It's obvious that he is gifted and intelligent, and it's also obvious that he "plays" differently on this BBS than on others (on here he is having a ball trying to insult as many people as possible).

Anyway, I'll keep it short, as everyone indeed will have their own sets of values etc... personally, I seem more insulting threads in Current World Events than I see from Mycroft.

He can also spark off some food for thought.

Maybe it's a good excercise to think why exactly he got more & more abusive over the last months ?

He wants your/the mods attention, and he gets it in spades. Surely that can't be right ?

Final vote: he is (or is playing) a plonker, but I'm against banning. It would be a much bigger feat if you get him to post something useful from time to time.

 

Hmm good one this....

I've had a read of this mycrofts various posts - and he's a bit of a wind up artist... but you could argue that Paul Habgood offering to meet the bloke (which i take to infer an aspect of violence) shouldn't be tolerated either:

Quote from one of Paul's threads:
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Cannot wait to have you say that to my face, does this apply to my father who died of cancer or my 30 y/o friend Helen who did the same?

Looking forward to next Friday!
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If Paul's allowed to "threaten" people - who is to say thats any worse than what this mycroft is up to? I might think a joke about cancer patients is less important than a moderator implying he's going to beat someone up!!

At the end of the day, Webmaster, its your site - you decide what is acceptable and what isn't.

There has to be a line - and you should draw it...

Jza

[Edited by Jza - 6/27/2003 2:42:48 PM]

 

i for one was pissed at him for the cancer comments , but i also think he should be given a second chance , if only to show him that not everyone is an ar£$hole !

 

Yes but if you read back a few posts in this thread Paul Habgood has already apologied to all, and admitted to letting emotions & temper get the better of him, IIRC Paul aws the one that was insulted most about the cancer comments, unfortunateley for him he's a mod, so it does'nt look to good.

Not that I even know the guy or anything, thats just how I see it.

 

I don't get it? He makes comments that the masses don't like and get offended at so he's being banned!!! does that mean that if enough people are offend by another user comments they will be banned as well. A very dangerous precedent is about to start if the mod are not careful for instance how long will it be before some says

"well mycroft was banned for less why is XXXXX still here"

a BB is an open forum, how open is a forum where you get banned for having conflicting views

Paul

an a more positive note, this is my first time here and aside from said subject seems like a good place

 

Can,t see the point of banning anyone.

If he offends you, dont read his posts, or his replies, easy.

If your curious read his posts, then choose wheather to remember them or erase them.

Seems to me that if you were to ban Mycroft, there would be a few more needing to be banned on similar grounds.

As for the cancer remark, he well over stepped the mark there.
Lets hope he, his friends or family, never get to see this first hand.

Later Yoza

 

Just as you have a VIP list, could SN not implement an Ignore list? Then, when reading a topic, the script could ignore posts by people on your Ignore list? Self-moderation !

 

Dunno about banning. He's a self-important spanner for sure, who can't resist a personal insult when the chips are down, but he's not a *complete* troll like basal_lobe was.

If he mattered to me as a person, i'd have taken the cancer stuff far more personally, but since i don't care one iota about him, i don't care one iota about his opinions or his idea of jokes. That's not to say it justifies the cancer remarks, it doesn't, and if there's no apology on the board forthcoming from him about that, then yes, you might not have much option but to enforce a ban.

 

I'll start by saying I have not seen the cancer threads etc.

I have been party to one or to "debates" with Mycoft including one that ran for over 20pages. I suppose I ought to ignore him but some of the technical stuff he posts is a load of crap and some people may just believe him.

His main problem is that as soon as someone starts to question his theory or even prove him wrong he starts with the personal insults. Its the classic sign of a very insecure person.

Having said that I wouldn't want him banned just because of that, name calling and insults do not bother me at all. He may not be pro-scoobynet community in his postings but agian not worthy of a ban.

I suppose its all down to how far he's gone with these latest threads causing actual distress to others and I'll have to leave that to those who have read them.

Lee

 

Pepper, i am not aware of anyone else ever being up for a ban on here before, this is a new departure for the webmaster and something that surprises me based on his previous statements on the subject of the practicalities of banning someone.

Mycroft talks a lot of nonsense, you push him on a point and he never gives a straight answer. I personally tend to ignore his posts these days unless he decides to start being straight, which is pretty rare, that works for me anyway.

I have lost family members to cancer, i dont let a post on a BBS get under my skin about it though. I can understand how some are more sensitive to this so would see how deleting his crap that offended would be relevant and more valid than arguing with him about it.

Banning someone is a big step to take, it's only worth doing if you can block their access perminantly, i would think that is hard to achieve. It is a dangerous precedent to take if you are truly after an open to all forum.

 

This all seems a bit like death by stoning

I was participating in the 'cancer' thread LN and I've had friends and relatived die from cancer, I did ask Mycroft to chill but I doubt if he takes much advice to heart.

I still hate the thought of members of the community deciding if a ban should be carried out though.

 

If you do ban him do you have the tools available to ensure he just doesnt re-register using a different username - can you block his IP address?

 

Quote from Mycroft in a thread in Policy:
"if you think I'm the cause then say so, I'll accept it... the words are 'Mycroft you are barred'... type them and I'm gone..."
As I'm sure Mycroft is a man of his word it simply requires a vote. So where's the scoobynet 'community'? Clearly Simon wants him gone...pretty sad that he can't muster the support he wants for a simple majority vote....another reason I can't take the 'community' thing serously anymore, at least not with respect to the entire BBS as it was 3 years ago (apologies for the 'in the good old days' theme).
Rgds
Chuck

 

Simon.... bulletin boards such as vbb have a function where users are able to place other users on "ignore" lists.

Maybe this could be a solution in cases like this.

I know that Mycroft was certainly opinionated... most of which didn't agree with mine, but I actually found his arrogance and point of view quite amusing.

I say "Leave him be," however I would have thought that the least he could do would be to apologise for his outburst against the cancer sufferers of the world.

 

Hang Him

Only Joshing.
Mycroft in the past has posted things that have made me fekin angry,but also threads that have made me have a chuckle.When it comes to a thread that is some what controversial,just ignore the tw*t,and chill.I think I have risen to the bait once,but other than that,theres no point arguing with him as it just seems to make him worse.
If everyone just ignored him,then we would not be discussing this now.
I know everyone is different and some get wound up easier than others,but just bite your lip and the little twonk may take the point and do one.
I myself have lost loved ones from the big "C",and as for his comments or jokes whatever they were,if all he can do is hide behind his PC when making these comments,then that just proves he is as much a C**T,as everyone thinks he is.I dont get wound up by such comments,yet if he would like to say it in front of the people he is aiming his so called humour at,it would be a different story Im sure.
Just my 2 penneth worth

[Edited by davy1 - 6/27/2003 3:08:24 PM]

[Edited by davy1 - 6/27/2003 3:14:51 PM]

 

I think he should apologise for his comments, then we can all just move on. If he isn't big enough to make that gesture then it just shows contempt for the rules that the majority of us abide by on here and he should go.

 

Amen.

 

Simon, you said something about one person being offended by something where others were not. Well I'm offended by the xenophobic comments I read on the forum, but you told me I should pass them off as 'humour' as 'no one else complains'. How many then complained about Mycroft last night?

Isnt what Mycroft is doing just the same, or is there more to it than that?

It all comes back to moderation and excepted behaviour.

Cheers.

 

he's a modern day hobo of the internet, soon there will not be a forum left where he's allowed to post. The poor fella will end up having to post on his own lonely site...

*tumbleweed rushes by*

Ban his dull ***

 

I am absolutely gob smacked at the cancer comment, don’t think I have heard anything so cold and cruel in a long time[img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]. So hears anther cruel comment to complement his.

Let’s just hope he gets first hand experience of the disease, that just might change his mind.

 

I don't make any postings on here but regularly read most of the threads that are of interest to me. RE: Mycroft and his threads, as previous people on here have said, if he annoys you, then ignore his comments and don't bite. He is clever at what he does, and he can easily wind some people up.

His cancer thread was out of line and he should apologise for this, but he probably won't (because he wants us all to bite). I don't think he should be banned... it's just a case of thats the kind of person he is.

Mycroft, if you are reading this, no doubt you are happy with yourself that a thread that will go on for a long time has been started with you as the main interest. Don't be, at the end of the day, most people still think you are waste of time.

Mustafa

 

Id never wish that on anyone,but you do have a point.
Stranger things have happened.

 

I'm pathetic! Totally sitting on the fence on this one! I don't read much of what he says cos I soon picked up on his trollish activities. But the thing is that because of his antics and other people rising to it, otherwise interesting threads get ruined.

<Removes another splinter and wanders off....>

 

Hoping to acheive???
Hi there, never posted before on here but have had the `pleasure` of knowing mycroft on the GTR forum.
I was just wondering what anyone hopes to acheive or how anyone will feel better if Mycroft makes an " i am sorry" letter??
As stated before, just about every other `comedian` in the country has made a living out of jokes and remarks like the ones mycroft made. Yes they are offensive to some and funny to others and i would have thought that everyone who knows or has had any sort of discussion with mycroft will know what he is like by now??
In all fairness i dont know what his track record is like on your forum but i would imagine its similar to the GTR site where some people get `upset` or `hot under the collar` whenever he posts whether sensible or not.....just dont bite!!Simple as that!!
At the end of the day, its up to your site moderators what they choose to do on the issue and instead of debating it amongst yourselves , surely you should trust the people you put in charge of the site in the first place to make the right decision.
I think a lot of people would like an appollogy from Mycroft purely because its Mycroft otherwise i would hate to see your post office bills for sending letters to everyone in the country that makes a silly remark like Mycroft did, especially those on a higher profile media medium.
On a happy note, great site, lots of positive info and should have joined a long time ago, just a shame that its a negative that has made me join instead of a positive.
Anyone on here know of any `scandal` or inhouse slaggings for the fat ginger scooby driver from Aberdeen??? Dont know his handle in here but he knows who he is!!! ;-)
And yes, he is a freind and work associate before anyone gets the wrong end of the stick!!

jas

 

I'm sure he doesn't really feel that way..he just wanted to provoke a reaction, and did.
Easy pickin's on SN
Surprising to see a few newbies on here...or are they all just regulars who haven't the bottle to post under their regular handle?
C