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19 August 2003, 02:41 PM
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Have done around 400 miles on the greens so far, anyone else currently testing the greens? Would like to have a chat (offline) 
Also wanted to ask, how do you bed in the yellow pads if you aren't supposed to use them on the road?
Paul
[Edited by pban - 8/19/2003 2:42:47 PM]
Also wanted to ask, how do you bed in the yellow pads if you aren't supposed to use them on the road?
Paul
[Edited by pban - 8/19/2003 2:42:47 PM]
20 August 2003, 10:59 AM
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I am still waiting and haven't heard anything since I sent them my details. Saying that, Parcel Force have been trying to deliver something - those of you who have got them, did they come by Parcel Force? (or is it something else I have ordered from Amazon 
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31 August 2003, 01:26 PM
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Fitted the "red" pads yesterday. They've only got 200 miles on them (and that was mostly motorway) so they're not fully bedded-in. However, inital impressions are very good. They've got more bite than the Pagid 421 (black) pads I had on before. Looking forward to when they're fully bedded-in .
Anyone else tried 'em out yet?
.Anyone else tried 'em out yet?
01 September 2003, 11:26 AM
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I got a set of Greens instead of the ceramic Reds. Can't complain really, but I would have preferred the ones you have! I really like non-ceramic Reds I'm using now - enjoy the ceramics, mate!
03 September 2003, 03:54 PM
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Hi All
Some replies from Andy Freeman...
1) Question .....Should you change fronts and rears together.????
Answer.....In response the only thing you should NOT do is use Greens on the rear and anything else on the front.Green is about the most grippy compound out.With Green on the front anything commercially available should be OK on the rear and not cause lock up but not the other way round.
2) Yellows are a bit HARD and not ECE R 90 approved for models after Jan 2001 for road use so we have to say,dont use yellows on the road cos its illegal. REDS are homologated for road use
3) When evaluating REDS users please note we have TWO DIFFERENT MATERIALS.....Ceramic,which may be a bit noisy and will need to be shimmed on the reverse if we commercialise them and V4 which is a semi metallic and has had some great feedback. Me personally I think the V3 is the best for this car at all levels of road use.
We will in the future be fitting wear lead on all V3 REDS as we have had comments on it.
Would appreciate feedback on the sheets we sent out mailing back to us by users,it would help us a lot
Thanks to all
With Kind Regards Andy Freeman
Managing Director Freeman Automotive / EBC Brakes UK Ltd
CEO EBC Brakes USA Ltd
Some replies from Andy Freeman...
1) Question .....Should you change fronts and rears together.????
Answer.....In response the only thing you should NOT do is use Greens on the rear and anything else on the front.Green is about the most grippy compound out.With Green on the front anything commercially available should be OK on the rear and not cause lock up but not the other way round.
2) Yellows are a bit HARD and not ECE R 90 approved for models after Jan 2001 for road use so we have to say,dont use yellows on the road cos its illegal. REDS are homologated for road use
3) When evaluating REDS users please note we have TWO DIFFERENT MATERIALS.....Ceramic,which may be a bit noisy and will need to be shimmed on the reverse if we commercialise them and V4 which is a semi metallic and has had some great feedback. Me personally I think the V3 is the best for this car at all levels of road use.
We will in the future be fitting wear lead on all V3 REDS as we have had comments on it.
Would appreciate feedback on the sheets we sent out mailing back to us by users,it would help us a lot
Thanks to all
With Kind Regards Andy Freeman
Managing Director Freeman Automotive / EBC Brakes UK Ltd
CEO EBC Brakes USA Ltd
16 September 2003, 08:37 PM
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Results of testing EBC brakes on my STi5 TypeRA at the Nurburgring.
Brakes – AP Racing 4 pots with 330mm 6 groove disks.
Green (44/78)
Firstly I installed the greens (44/78) on my car for the last couple of weeks whilst running my engine in, plus for the trip over to Germany. Overall impression on the road is good, as a fast road pad they provide excellent bite from cold and can withstand a hard stop without fade, they get slightly noisy on a very hard stop, but in normal driving, plus fast A Road cross country blasts or Motorway driving they are very good. They give off very little dust compared to Mintex pads. They do fade if you drive a twisty B road at a high pace, so if you do participate in cross country back road high speed driving they are marginal, they do recover if allowed to cool.
On track they are no use at all, by the 4th hard stop on the nurburgring they had gone completely, they would come back to life if you let them cool, but on the second hard application they again faded to no grip.
Conclusion: For the majority of drivers who drive at a good pace these pads are an excellent choice, they are a vast improvement over the old formula of EBC Greens I have tried and give excellent bite without snatching. They are not suitable for any track work.
Mileage covered on Road = 2000
Mileage Covered on track = 30 (15 very gentle sighting lap)
Red (Ceramic)
After my first two laps of the Nurburgring at a relatively low pace I replaced the Greens with the Ceramic Reds. I covered 10 miles off track to bed them in and then covered my first lap at a moderate pace. They took around 20 miles to bed in and start to bite fully, after this they became very consistent with good levels of bite and no fade. After 50 miles I started to up the pace significantly with some very high speed stops (145MPH to 60MPH) and they continued to perform well although they started to grumble on the very hard stops. After 115 miles (13 miles per lap) on track they started to grumble more than I was happy with so I decided it was time to take them out and see how they looked. They had started to break down, so although they never faded or gave any lack of bite, they were becoming unstable and would most likely start to break up the more I drove on them.
I haven’t used these on the road yet, the plan was to drive back from the ring using the reds, but I wasn’t happy with doing this once they started to break up. I will have to reface the pads and then give them a go, my gut feeling is they will work very well as a fast road twisty B Road pad.
Conclusion: For most UK tracks with relatively low speeds these pads are worth trying, I cant conclude either way as to their staying power on those circuits but they do perform well until they have worked hard. Any track with very hard braking or from high speed they will perform well but start to fail after 100 miles, so they may be a good option if you intend to run a new set of pads for each trackday you attend. I would like to try these on the road as I think they may work well, but have no evidence of that yet.
Mileage covered on Road = 10 (bedding in)
Mileage Covered on track = 115
Yellow (1626 full race)
For my last day at the nurburgring I installed the full race yellow pads. For the first 2 laps (26 miles) they faded quickly and had significantly more bite when cold. They then worked relatively well for 2 further laps, but never gave a good bite and felt glazed, even if I was being very hard on them. They had poor feel and started to grumble fairly quickly. The final 2 laps I used these they started to lose grip, I had to do a very hard stop due to a crash a few seconds in front of me and they did not inspire confidence, they did stop but I could feel them breaking up. That was the last lap I did for the weekend.
Conclusion: Not as good as the Ceramic Reds, they give poor feel and don’t bite as well, they are not as stable as the reds either. My feeling is as a serious race pad they are a non starter. Compared to Mintex M1153 or M1166 they are poor.
Mileage covered on road = 10
Mileage Covered on track = 115
I have uploaded some pictures of the Reds and Yellows after they were removed, I also uploaded a couple of pictures of Mintex 1153 compound pads that have completed 6000 road miles plus one day at the nurburgring and one day at Spa GP circuit.
Red1
Red2
Yellow1
Yellow2
Mintex 1153
Final conclusion so far : The race pad application for EBC is limited using these current compounds, they are too unstable for sustained track use. The reds are a good option if the pads are cheap enough to throw away after one trackday, the Yellows don’t perform as well as the Reds on track.
The road pad application for the Greens and possibly the Reds is very promising, they have made big steps forward over the previous compounds. I hope to be able to try the Reds on the road soon. For track work I will be continuing to use Mintex, but for road driving I am going to give the EBC’s more time, they produce much lower dust levels than Mintex. I never thought I would ever say that as the original Greens I have tried were very poor. Looks like EBC are heading in the right direction at last.
Hopefully this info is of use.
Cheers
John
Brakes – AP Racing 4 pots with 330mm 6 groove disks.
Green (44/78)
Firstly I installed the greens (44/78) on my car for the last couple of weeks whilst running my engine in, plus for the trip over to Germany. Overall impression on the road is good, as a fast road pad they provide excellent bite from cold and can withstand a hard stop without fade, they get slightly noisy on a very hard stop, but in normal driving, plus fast A Road cross country blasts or Motorway driving they are very good. They give off very little dust compared to Mintex pads. They do fade if you drive a twisty B road at a high pace, so if you do participate in cross country back road high speed driving they are marginal, they do recover if allowed to cool.
On track they are no use at all, by the 4th hard stop on the nurburgring they had gone completely, they would come back to life if you let them cool, but on the second hard application they again faded to no grip.
Conclusion: For the majority of drivers who drive at a good pace these pads are an excellent choice, they are a vast improvement over the old formula of EBC Greens I have tried and give excellent bite without snatching. They are not suitable for any track work.
Mileage covered on Road = 2000
Mileage Covered on track = 30 (15 very gentle sighting lap)
Red (Ceramic)
After my first two laps of the Nurburgring at a relatively low pace I replaced the Greens with the Ceramic Reds. I covered 10 miles off track to bed them in and then covered my first lap at a moderate pace. They took around 20 miles to bed in and start to bite fully, after this they became very consistent with good levels of bite and no fade. After 50 miles I started to up the pace significantly with some very high speed stops (145MPH to 60MPH) and they continued to perform well although they started to grumble on the very hard stops. After 115 miles (13 miles per lap) on track they started to grumble more than I was happy with so I decided it was time to take them out and see how they looked. They had started to break down, so although they never faded or gave any lack of bite, they were becoming unstable and would most likely start to break up the more I drove on them.
I haven’t used these on the road yet, the plan was to drive back from the ring using the reds, but I wasn’t happy with doing this once they started to break up. I will have to reface the pads and then give them a go, my gut feeling is they will work very well as a fast road twisty B Road pad.
Conclusion: For most UK tracks with relatively low speeds these pads are worth trying, I cant conclude either way as to their staying power on those circuits but they do perform well until they have worked hard. Any track with very hard braking or from high speed they will perform well but start to fail after 100 miles, so they may be a good option if you intend to run a new set of pads for each trackday you attend. I would like to try these on the road as I think they may work well, but have no evidence of that yet.
Mileage covered on Road = 10 (bedding in)
Mileage Covered on track = 115
Yellow (1626 full race)
For my last day at the nurburgring I installed the full race yellow pads. For the first 2 laps (26 miles) they faded quickly and had significantly more bite when cold. They then worked relatively well for 2 further laps, but never gave a good bite and felt glazed, even if I was being very hard on them. They had poor feel and started to grumble fairly quickly. The final 2 laps I used these they started to lose grip, I had to do a very hard stop due to a crash a few seconds in front of me and they did not inspire confidence, they did stop but I could feel them breaking up. That was the last lap I did for the weekend.
Conclusion: Not as good as the Ceramic Reds, they give poor feel and don’t bite as well, they are not as stable as the reds either. My feeling is as a serious race pad they are a non starter. Compared to Mintex M1153 or M1166 they are poor.
Mileage covered on road = 10
Mileage Covered on track = 115
I have uploaded some pictures of the Reds and Yellows after they were removed, I also uploaded a couple of pictures of Mintex 1153 compound pads that have completed 6000 road miles plus one day at the nurburgring and one day at Spa GP circuit.
Red1
Red2
Yellow1
Yellow2
Mintex 1153
Final conclusion so far : The race pad application for EBC is limited using these current compounds, they are too unstable for sustained track use. The reds are a good option if the pads are cheap enough to throw away after one trackday, the Yellows don’t perform as well as the Reds on track.
The road pad application for the Greens and possibly the Reds is very promising, they have made big steps forward over the previous compounds. I hope to be able to try the Reds on the road soon. For track work I will be continuing to use Mintex, but for road driving I am going to give the EBC’s more time, they produce much lower dust levels than Mintex. I never thought I would ever say that as the original Greens I have tried were very poor. Looks like EBC are heading in the right direction at last.
Hopefully this info is of use.
Cheers
John
