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28 November 2003, 10:06 AM
#301
EBC measured the glaze in their test lab. You can see from the pictures they machined the pad until they reached virgin material.
How did i do, brilliantly, i would have won had i entered.
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How did i do, brilliantly, i would have won had i entered.
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28 November 2003, 11:06 AM
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Basssssil!!
I thought it might be so I checked 1st on google and it showed "that", because I missed the little dash above the e!
That reminds me, must add Faulty Towers DVD to me crimbo list, nice one!
I thought it might be so I checked 1st on google and it showed "that", because I missed the little dash above the e!
That reminds me, must add Faulty Towers DVD to me crimbo list, nice one!
29 November 2003, 09:29 AM
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I have been testing the new Green compound for about 4 months now and feel that they are a massive improvement over the old Green pads, and are nearly as close to the old Red pads, on the 4-pot original set-up with EBC discs.
Initial bite is very good.
Normal braking is very good.
Ocassional hard braking is very impressive as well.
The only area were they seem to get a bit upset is prolonged b-road jaunts. But in hinsight the old greens would have given up long before i got to the single tracks.
All IMHO.
Cheers
Iain
Initial bite is very good.
Normal braking is very good.
Ocassional hard braking is very impressive as well.
The only area were they seem to get a bit upset is prolonged b-road jaunts
. But in hinsight the old greens would have given up long before i got to the single tracks.All IMHO.
Cheers
Iain
29 November 2003, 09:58 AM
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What is the part number for the new greens?
I think i'm gonna go the green route, but i wanna make sure i don't get the old ones
Don't suppose you know the cheapest place to buy do you
I think i'm gonna go the green route, but i wanna make sure i don't get the old ones
Don't suppose you know the cheapest place to buy do you
08 December 2003, 08:05 AM
#314
Here is the latest report from the testing I have been doing on the new EBC pads. I received a new set of ceramic reds for the front and rear of my STi to try using as a road pad only. I had a trip coming up to the Catalunya rally so it was an ideal opportunity to see how these would cope both in the UK as a daily pad, plus also I would have the opportunity to try these in some very severe conditions driving over the Pyrenees into Spain.
I have now covered 6500 miles on these pads, 3200 of that was on my trip to the Catalunya rally. To get down to Lloret I drove via the motorways of the UK, France and Spain and avoided the severe mountain roads and the pads worked as expected with good bite from cold and were always ready for use even if they weren’t aplied for a very long time.
Once down in Lloret, the driving was to say the least “spirited” with us covering aprox 1000 miles in the week driving the rally stages multiple times. I covered a lot more stage miles than the rally competitors. The first real test was when we drove the shakedown stage, at the end of this I had pushed the brakes so hard that the paint used to give them their red colour was smoking severely, yet the brakes hadn’t shown any signs of fade and the feel was consistent throughout. The other good thing was the brake pedal hadn’t shown any signs of extra travel, so the heat wasn’t getting through the pad material and into the fluid at any level.
We then spent the week out on the stages, driving through the mountain passes or just cruising early morning to the stages to spectate, during all this driving the brakes performed faultlessly. Driving home, I decided to take a trip across the Pyrenees via the N152, one of the most challenging roads in Europe for brakes and handling, it’s hard to describe quite how busy you are, but you are on the brakes every few seconds as you enter the next switchback, it’s non stop flat out driving for around an hour without any letup. Again absolutely no problems at all, and this is with a fully loaded up car being driven rapidly. If the brakes can survive this road they will survive anything the UK can throw at them.
Since returning I have just used these with my day to day driving with a fairly even match of normal road and motorway driving. Dust wise these do produce more than the EBC Greens, and it helps if you keep on top of the wheels every week, but they are producing a lot less dust than the Mintex I normally used would have, and certainly kept the wheels cleaner than those on the other cars down in Catalunya running Mintex.
So how have these pads survived? They started out with 12.5mm thickness. They are now between 8mm and 9mm in thickness, the thinner pad being the hotter running pad. They have 0.5mm taper wear from leading to trailing edge, which is normal behaviour. The pad material is still intact and there are no signs at all of the friction material breaking away from the backing plate. In other words they are perfectly capable of doing plenty more work without any loss in performance, I am impressed. Disk wear wise, there is a slight amount of wear, around 1mm, this wear is from all the testing I have done on track and road, so well within normal wear rates for AP Disks, they aren’t eating the disks, just behaving as expected.
Some pictures of the pads are attached again; the thick pad is a new Racing yellow I am now trying that is the same thickness as the reds when new. The top/bottom pad shows how the heat has burned some of the paint, yet the brake pad material is stable.
I have also been doing some testing with the softer compound Race yellow 1605 pads; I covered 140 miles on track at Oulton Park last weekend in the wet. These worked much better than the previous Yellows I tried and took just a few laps to bed in properly. They felt very similar to the reds on track, with similar levels of feel, they were consistent and didn’t suffer any fade, they also didn’t suffer from any sensation of crumbling, so are slightly more stable than the reds as a track pad I would say. Wear rates are good, again starting with 12.5mm thickness, after 140 miles on track they now measure 11mm. There are no signs of heat getting to the backing plates at all, so they seem to have slightly better heat insulating properties compared to the reds, although the wet weather may have helped in cooling these. The pads have now gone back to EBC for analysis in their test labs and they have given me some more to try to do further testing.
I am more than happy to keep using these new materials and would say they are definitely worth trying if you are looking to change. Hopefully you find this information useful.
I have now covered 6500 miles on these pads, 3200 of that was on my trip to the Catalunya rally. To get down to Lloret I drove via the motorways of the UK, France and Spain and avoided the severe mountain roads and the pads worked as expected with good bite from cold and were always ready for use even if they weren’t aplied for a very long time.
Once down in Lloret, the driving was to say the least “spirited” with us covering aprox 1000 miles in the week driving the rally stages multiple times. I covered a lot more stage miles than the rally competitors. The first real test was when we drove the shakedown stage, at the end of this I had pushed the brakes so hard that the paint used to give them their red colour was smoking severely, yet the brakes hadn’t shown any signs of fade and the feel was consistent throughout. The other good thing was the brake pedal hadn’t shown any signs of extra travel, so the heat wasn’t getting through the pad material and into the fluid at any level.
We then spent the week out on the stages, driving through the mountain passes or just cruising early morning to the stages to spectate, during all this driving the brakes performed faultlessly. Driving home, I decided to take a trip across the Pyrenees via the N152, one of the most challenging roads in Europe for brakes and handling, it’s hard to describe quite how busy you are, but you are on the brakes every few seconds as you enter the next switchback, it’s non stop flat out driving for around an hour without any letup. Again absolutely no problems at all, and this is with a fully loaded up car being driven rapidly. If the brakes can survive this road they will survive anything the UK can throw at them.
Since returning I have just used these with my day to day driving with a fairly even match of normal road and motorway driving. Dust wise these do produce more than the EBC Greens, and it helps if you keep on top of the wheels every week, but they are producing a lot less dust than the Mintex I normally used would have, and certainly kept the wheels cleaner than those on the other cars down in Catalunya running Mintex.
So how have these pads survived? They started out with 12.5mm thickness. They are now between 8mm and 9mm in thickness, the thinner pad being the hotter running pad. They have 0.5mm taper wear from leading to trailing edge, which is normal behaviour. The pad material is still intact and there are no signs at all of the friction material breaking away from the backing plate. In other words they are perfectly capable of doing plenty more work without any loss in performance, I am impressed. Disk wear wise, there is a slight amount of wear, around 1mm, this wear is from all the testing I have done on track and road, so well within normal wear rates for AP Disks, they aren’t eating the disks, just behaving as expected.
Some pictures of the pads are attached again; the thick pad is a new Racing yellow I am now trying that is the same thickness as the reds when new. The top/bottom pad shows how the heat has burned some of the paint, yet the brake pad material is stable.
I have also been doing some testing with the softer compound Race yellow 1605 pads; I covered 140 miles on track at Oulton Park last weekend in the wet. These worked much better than the previous Yellows I tried and took just a few laps to bed in properly. They felt very similar to the reds on track, with similar levels of feel, they were consistent and didn’t suffer any fade, they also didn’t suffer from any sensation of crumbling, so are slightly more stable than the reds as a track pad I would say. Wear rates are good, again starting with 12.5mm thickness, after 140 miles on track they now measure 11mm. There are no signs of heat getting to the backing plates at all, so they seem to have slightly better heat insulating properties compared to the reds, although the wet weather may have helped in cooling these. The pads have now gone back to EBC for analysis in their test labs and they have given me some more to try to do further testing.
I am more than happy to keep using these new materials and would say they are definitely worth trying if you are looking to change. Hopefully you find this information useful.
17 December 2003, 08:11 AM
#317
Looks like i gave you a bit of duff info Brun. 
The greens we have been testing are not the V4, we have been testing the AF44/78 compound which is now available for Subaru and EVO pad shapes, V4 pads are not ideal on a Subaru and wont perform as well as the AF44/78.
The new Ceramic reds i have been testing are now available for Subaru/EVO also, you need to ask for E388 compound. The older version 2/3 compound reds are suitable for road use but may perform insuficiently on track.
The greens we have been testing are not the V4, we have been testing the AF44/78 compound which is now available for Subaru and EVO pad shapes, V4 pads are not ideal on a Subaru and wont perform as well as the AF44/78.
The new Ceramic reds i have been testing are now available for Subaru/EVO also, you need to ask for E388 compound. The older version 2/3 compound reds are suitable for road use but may perform insuficiently on track.
17 December 2003, 08:37 AM
#318
This is my first report and also my last, i've now upgarded my brakes so the pads i had no longer suit the new kit 
.
Anyway... since receiving the pads from EBC i have had the greens in my 4 pots with standard discs. I must say i was pleasantly surprised. After having a set of greens previously and warping the EBC discs i didn't have much confidence that these would be an improvement. I was wrong. As an every day pad they are very good. Nice positive initial bite and they cope well with the occasional hard stop. I did find like others that if pushed hard for a prolonged time they did appear to 'wilt'. Pedal travel seemed to increase too (using both AP and Motul fluid... but not at the same time ). This was a very rare occasion tho as these days you don't get much chance to push on for extended periods. As for other issues.... well they don't produce much dust compared to say a Mintex pad and i didn't have any problems with squeel. The wear rate was very good, after some 5000 miles there was only a mm or so wear and the pad material looked in excellent condition (must be driving like a ***** ).
To sum up i'd say they are an excellent pad for somebody who spends most of the time driving to and from work or in town but gets the odd chance to give the car 'some beans'. Just wish i had the chance to try the cermaic reds..... need pads to suit a Jag XJR now tho.
Tony.
.Anyway... since receiving the pads from EBC i have had the greens in my 4 pots with standard discs. I must say i was pleasantly surprised. After having a set of greens previously and warping the EBC discs i didn't have much confidence that these would be an improvement. I was wrong. As an every day pad they are very good. Nice positive initial bite and they cope well with the occasional hard stop. I did find like others that if pushed hard for a prolonged time they did appear to 'wilt'. Pedal travel seemed to increase too (using both AP and Motul fluid... but not at the same time
). This was a very rare occasion tho as these days you don't get much chance to push on for extended periods. As for other issues.... well they don't produce much dust compared to say a Mintex pad and i didn't have any problems with squeel. The wear rate was very good, after some 5000 miles there was only a mm or so wear and the pad material looked in excellent condition (must be driving like a ***** ).To sum up i'd say they are an excellent pad for somebody who spends most of the time driving to and from work or in town but gets the odd chance to give the car 'some beans'. Just wish i had the chance to try the cermaic reds..... need pads to suit a Jag XJR now tho.
Tony.
29 June 2004, 12:58 AM
#319
just bringing this back up to remind people who are buying EBC pads for the Impreza that they need to specify the Ceramic Red compound, there are some people still buying the older compounds which dont work as well on the Impreza, so make sure the box you recieve is marked up as Ceramic Red, the pad part number will also end with a letter C.
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