Rich D

iTrader: (12)

But the VTS still has more torque than a VTR...

ianc

not at the same RPM it doesn't

Rich D

iTrader: (12)

True...

VTR - 100lb/ft @ 3500rpm
VTS - 107lb/ft @ 5200rpm


The VTR has a bit more go at lower revs than the VTS, but hit 5000rpm in the VTS and it goes ballistic, wheras the VTR has no surge of power and runs out of steam at about 6000rpm.

ianc

interesting, these are the figures I found:

VTS - 107Lb/ft @ 5700Rpm
VTR - 100lb ft @ 3000Rpm

Either way, for my favourite roads the VTS felt lifeless, not prepared to lose all mechanical sympathy to keep the revs high.

Short straight, tight corner, short straight, I found the VTR more fun.

Ian.

Rich D

iTrader: (12)

My figures are definatelty correct...

http://www.citroen.co.uk/level4/tech...=saxo&LHN=Saxo


My sister has a later 98bhp VTR and it felt gutless compared to my old 106 GTi, which is the same as the VTS.

LG John

Beat me to it

I always find that people that try to argue a VTR is better than a VTS are a) lazy, b) not enthusiastic drivers, OR c) would be better off in an oil burner

I've always said the VTR is a great car but IMHO the VTS is well worth the extra insurance, etc. When I was having fun in the VTS it was never below 5k rpm and it was a total hoot. Moreover, when being driven like that it would nail a VTR

ianc

Easy tiger, never said it was better than the VTS, just that I prefer it, and that it was more FUN, on my kind of roads.

Lazy, hell yeah, I love all that low down torque in my current car, and it's not a diesel! I like the sort of roads where a short straight is followed by a tight corner and another short straight, and I *don't* like losing all mechanical sympathy to keep the car in the power band.

It was hard work avoiding 16v engines when I bought the Saxo, jumped to a 20V head after that, which would probably be even more peaky if it was not for the turbo.

I have no problem with the Saxo VTS, a great car, I just never liked 16v engines, always felt weak compared to 8v heads low down in the rev range.

IC

CrisPDuk

This is all well & good, but the Saxo/106 are only of any use if you've got girlie feet. I personally found the fact that I couldn't hit the brake pedal without mashing either the throttle or the clutch rather disconcerting (I'm a size 9). I object to taking my shoes off to drive a car

Although like most french hatches, they do once again prove Colin Chapmans theory most effectively

LG John

A fair point and the last time I drove a saxo I really struggled with the pedals!! The thing is you get used to it and they are very good for quick nimble control and the odd bit of heel and toe

MGJohn

SAXO BOY wrote:

>>A fair point and the last time I drove a saxo I really struggled with the pedals!! <<

MEE TOO ... those pedals are diablo, diabolick; they're not very good! And I don't got big feet! Still, you can get used to anything in time.

Rich D

iTrader: (12)

"the Saxo/106 are only of any use if you've got girlie feet"


Well, I am 6' 3" with size 11 feet and I never had a problem in my 106 GTi...

But, since then having larger cars, now going back they feel small and cramped so it's what you're used to I guess.

Rich and Mini

I struggle with Saxo's pedals too, even though I'm only a size 9 or a 10. Hope I can get used to it, I'm getting a VTS as soon as I find a decent one.

As for Rover Metros feeling more sturdy than a Saxo, you got to be having a laugh? My grandparents have owned their Rio from new (1994), it's only done 18k, yet squeeks more than my Mini, which has done 99k (not on the engine that's in though ). I've been very impressed with the Saxos I've driven (read 'thrashed'), ok, so they feel light/nimble, but pretty solid too, for a French car. Won't find the rear arches rotten on 3 year old Saxos either, unlike some cars we could mention..

I'm no Rover hater (quite the opposite infact), but no way do Metros compare to Saxos in any way, really! The MG ZR 120 ( for VTR ) and 160 ( for VTS ) is a different comparison though!

Rich

Ralf

After just 800 Miles in my new 944 I went in the AX GTi for a week. At first it felt as if all controls worked through a long rubber band. Yet I remember my first impression in it having a cart like feeling.

The bigger car couldn't touch the fun to be had from the French hatch though!

MGJohn

CrisPDuk WROTE:

>> Although like most french hatches, they do once again prove Colin Chapmans theory most effectively <<

Please refresh my memory ... was that about just being strong enough to last one race .... ?

I made the comment elsewhere on ScoobyNet about the flimsy feel when driving a Saxo. An old Rover Metro feels a much more substantial vehicle. An observation which suprised me.

[Edited by MGJohn - 5/6/2003 8:56:28 PM]