Shropshire Guy,

True - they sound great although a mate of mine can't stand it and reckons they sounds like they are running on 3 cyls. He did have an S3 though....so that says a lot.

Have you heard any Type R though when it hits 6k revs? Sends shivers down your spine and brings F1 to mind....

 

Remember it cuts both ways

Pulled along side a guy I know with a very tidy 1990 Carrera 2. Hadn't seen him for a while, opened the window and jokingly said "how about it?".

He was two up, looked at my totally standard UK Scoob, and replied in a jokingly derisory tone "i don't think so".

Lights changed (for all the liberals out there it was an empty three lane dual carriageway with a 70 limit after the lights), I got a great launch with a bit of clutch slip to keep it from bogging down and there was nothing in it until I backed off at about 80 mph.

If you think about it, similar 0 to 60's, and he was two up.

**** me was he surprised.

Another time having a bit of fun with a similarly aged carrera 4, there was nothing in it between 80 and ahem 120 ish.... Carrera had a little bit (maybe a car length) at the top end.

Need serious power/torque to weight differences to see a noticable performance difference on the road, not just 20 or 30 bhp

D

[Edited by Diablo - 4/30/2003 5:39:16 PM]

 

on a motorway run to doncaster for the ripspeed show there was civic type r keep trying to overtake my99 modded uk when we were doing about 80 i lost count of the times he tried to pass me and i didnt even have to drop a gear just put me foot down in 5th and just left him every time in the end it wasnt even worth bothering so we let him past

 

SteveBT

You said the word though....modded.

I travel up to Newcastle from Oxford for every home game. It's on these trips that I have noticed that the CTR is actually quicker than the WRXs and EVOs as standard above 70mph. Cannot comment on the modded ones as it depends on the mods. They probably have to be fairly extensive to overcome the aerodynamic disadvantages though when you get to 3 figures upwards.

I would still rather drive the WRX day to day though - much better all rounder and quick enough to see off most pretenders. Cannot say that I notice much difference between the 02 and 03 though.

It was near Wetherby a couple of months back where I managed to aquaplane at 70MPH on the A1M and write off my 02 car. Luckily I was OK and the car, which was an import from DH cars, was replaced with a brand new UK03 model by Direct Line!!

 

Did have a civic type R with a Jun induction kit fitted and have to say like the guy above, once it hits 6K plus and all hell breaks lose! Sounds like the bottom end has went! But have to say that nothing sounds as good as the great FLAT FOUR!

 

MY MY99 felt fast enough when i first got it. I only lightly modded it
Induction kit
Decat C/section and Mongoose b/box
braked 'upped' as well

Completely transformed the car, suddenly pulled hard and fast up to the red line in alll gear incl 5th, just ask the guy on a Ducatti who gave up as i passed 160 MPH (indicated) yes, really!
SZuddenly it picked up so much quicker and with real urgency.

Std form OK, lightly modded, great - serious mods, fecking fab!

[Edited by Paul Habgood - 4/30/2003 7:08:52 PM]

 

well my flat four doesnt sound the same anymore after adding my headers and uppipe but it pulls really well from 4600rpm and on now

 

Mcrash,
you are comparing a standard typeR with a '03 WRX, and are probably correct in what you say (as all engines are slightly different). However, the classic scoob is in a different league to the new flabby toned-down WRX, and it will waste a typeR up to 60/100 and over 1/4 mile (as seen at Elvington etc.)

Give me warbly boxer character over buzzing 4cylinder engines any day...(modded or standard classic, for that matter!)

 

McCrash,
you are comparing a standard typeR with a '03 WRX, and are probably correct in what you say. However, the classic scoob is in a different league to the new flabby toned-down WRX, and it will waste a typeR up to 60/100 and over 1/4 mile (as seen at Elvington and on the road etc.)

Give me warbly boxer character over buzzing 4cylinder engines any day...(modded or standard classic, for that matter!)

 

LOL

Actually, he's right! The first time I was in a 172 I was very unimpressed as I expected it to be a lot faster than the Saxo. I then had the same negative expectations with the CTR but man did it deliver. The CTR is noticeably quicker than a VTS but still not quite as quick as a classic from 60-100 in my opinion (very close though)

 

Geeeze, This threads gone on abit since I last looked!

I was a fellow 21 year UK scoob owner - nice to know some young'uns are buying (and insuring- arrrggghh)the things. I'm now 23 though

I know the problem, there is always some 4rsehole who's faster than you, even when you've modded it and think its the dogs danglies.

We all get used to handling, speed and acceleration. I find my nissan sunny more of a laugh to drive at the mo (you can do some really stupid stuff in it without breaking the speed limit )

In the end you have to look, the Scoob is just a family saloon on steroids, its no race car, or driver only orientated car. And thats the problem. If it were a track based road car, it'll be different story (but then I think of the Elise )

So what do you do when your used to the power, and fed up of sitting "ON" the car rather than "IN" the car?

oooh my pizzas just arrived....gotta go

back from pizza...thought I'd add that I'm planning My next power hike to satisfy my needs

[Edited by ALi-B - 4/30/2003 9:26:26 PM]

 

McRash, are you sure? Civics faster than EVO's? I found these stats on google:

http://www.quaife.co.uk/racing/02091701.htm

http://www.supercars.net/garages/carlitos/127v2.html

Look at the 0-100 times. So how'd ya manage that then

 

it dont matter how fast you car if you are a sh*t driver and dont have what it takes just drive the cars and stop having a my dic*s bigger than your dic*s it's like being back at school !!!!!!!

 

But Paul, remember that MY99's were the fastest UK scoobs out of the box untill the UK sti went on sale

D

 

Wulfy,

I did say to 130 - where aerodynamics become much more important. I realise this is pretty unlikely scenario but it still holds true. It starts reeling the rally cars in at over 100. Of course it tops out at mid 140s and the EVO would then be back again overtaking eventually.

As for the comment about the classic scooby - I don't know other than to say that it is aerodynamically worse than the new one so it probably applies moreso above 100 but to 100 there isn't much in it. Never had the race with a classic in the CTR but did have a blast through MK following one in my WRX 03 and he could not get away - and he had some sort of big bore exhaust by the look of it.

Don't get me wrong though - this isn't a comparison of tool sizes - all these cars are great fun and in the real world it comes down to the driver skill and nerve.

 

well, when I first got my UK scoob in standard 218bhp form, I out accerated a CTR in a straight line, it was my mates car and he said that I was definatley putting space between us.

 

Sparky,

He must have been short-shifting - you have to wring the neck of the CTR - all the way to 8200rpm in each gear. Then it will be as quick and ultimately quicker in a straight line.

 

Nope, he knows how to drive his car I've been in it with him and he was flat out behind me, the CTR has the same 0-60 time as a standard Nissan 200sx 6.7 secs and the scoob is 5.4-5.6 secs, standard. I've driven his CTR and it was not as quick as my scoob, I can tell ya, and it would not touch an EVO ever, unless the CTR was modded and the EVO wasn't.

 

0-60 not really fully representative though - take the 0-100 and you cannot split the CTR/WRX02/03. Also bear in mind that the CTR needs another gearchange to get to 60 so that figure is misleading. The classic may be a tad quicker but not much and as said earlier it will tail off over 100 due to aerodynamics and then get passed.

In cut and thrust of B road driving there is no doubt that the WRX is quicker unless the driver cannot keep it on boost. On a dry track the CTR is much better set up. Horses for courses really.

Having briefly driven a classic I would much rather have the WRX03 for day to day use. A better quality product with a better spread of power and ability. Only when really nailing it would the classic be any quicker and even that would be marginal.

 

im so happy i shelled out for a mint 280ps wrx import
and i bet half of you wish u did as well the 1st time one of these hot hatches "creeps" up on you

 

Drove a uk scooby today with a diff back box on, compaired to the 2 imports ive had, still got 1 crickey was it slow, noticed though diff gear ratios, much lower on the imports, esp my version 1 sti, but my std wrx on a 94 felt rapid compaired to the uk one, also the handling is diff, any way thats my bit lol.

 

the 94wrx will feel faster,its got 70 horses more than a standard classic,if it didnt feel a LOT faster you would be pretty p1ssed!

 

I really want to play with a standard Import to see how I get on I think ony the RA's with their short gearing would get away

 

mines standerd bar a cat back zorst and a pannel filter

and i managed 13.21 1/4 mile at elvington last week
ist not a ra
its a simple wrx

what sort of times u getting saxo boy?
i managed 13.42 in the pissing rain

 

To fully appreciate what a CTR/Clio 172 etc.. can do, you should all get yourselves down to your nearest drag strip. Between me and my mates we own all of these cars and had a good day out at Santa Pod at the second RWYB of the season. I drive a boggo MY00 Turbo and my best time was 14.6 secs @ 91mph. The best time for the CTR was 15.1 secs @ 94mph. So on the face of it my Scooby is quicker, but when you look at the break down of the times on the timing tickets, you can see that it takes my Scooby 1.7 secs to cover the first 60ft, whereas the CTRs best time to 60ft was 2.1secs. So, over the whole quarter the Scooby is 0.5 secs quicker, but 0.4 secs of that is made up in the first 60ft and over the rest of the track the Scooby only pulls out 0.1 sec. In the real world this is what counts. Also, interestingly the CTR achieves a higher terminal speed. For your information, my mates Clio 172s best time was 15.3, the 306 Rallyes was 15.6, and the 106 Gti's was 15.9 secs. It's the same story when I compare the tickets of my Scooby with the tickets of my old 2WD Cossie, when it was standard. Best time in the Cossie was 14.9 secs @ 95 mph, but the first 60 feet took 2.4 secs!!! So you can see that at 60 feet the Cossie was 0.8 secs behind, but at the line it was only 0.3 secs, therefore pulling back half a second on the strip.

Having said all that, on the journey home after we had been to The Pod, we took a cross country route using lanes and B-roads. The one area where the Scooby mashes all these cars is when it comes to overtaking. With the CTR/Clio etc... it's critical which gear you're in, but even then, they still just haven't got the torque. So as we're blasting along, we inevitably catch some slower traffic. I'm able to dispense with them more easliy and by the time the other guys have got by, I was in the next valley!

 

I think that everyone has forgotten one little point that scoobs come with the most restrictive exhaust ive ever seen on any car!
Ive had a blast on the m/way against another MY00, now mine has the PPP and a downpipe, this other one was standard, my car was considerably quicker after 90mph (german autobahn ) and kept on pulling like a train all the way up and beyond silly figures
Ive also had a play against an MY02 standard uk car and that wasnt quick either but put some breathing mods onto a scoob and it does improve considerably
Also, people have to take into consideration that scoobs are not just about big bhp but about torque
Once having a play from 70-130(kmh of course ) i stayed in 5th gear whilst a seat leon 1.8 180bhp coupe tried to keep up (he was going though the gears) and he didnt catch me until the 130(kmh of course ) marque, now consider this, if i would have gone though the gears i would have totally wasted him, counting that i would and could have put a good 8 seconds between us and carried on pulling away..... there is nothing wrong with scoobs. If your not happy with the car you have purchased then sell it and buy something different me, im happy with mine

Tony

 

Everyones going on about their various times over a 1/4 mile etc, i would like to have a blast with mine. Wheres the best places and how much do they cost??

Im based in the midlands

thanks

Steve

 

ok...

its doesnt matter whos car beats whos...just enjoy the nice handling and reliabilty of your scoob

have little blasts enjoy it but dont worry if someone beats you...get a bike if your really that bothered..

I went to santa pod recently and it was slightly damp...nearly every scoob running won its race...

Enjoy life dont get all pent up over silly things...

 

again, no owns getting "pent up" or complaining, its just a discussion mate

 

As long as you are happy in your own car doing whatever it should't matter what keeps up,i've had a modded 306 td slow as **** but it was one of the best looking cars i've ever seen,on the other hand my scoob is fast not mega fast but fast enough and i love it so my take on all this is don't worry what everyone else is doing just enjoy the pleasure of driving it.I had always wanted a scoob since i was 15 so i saved long and hard for it i admiit i'm used to the power but if it was 400bhp it would all become normal in time,it you sold it in a quest for more power it would still catch your eye and you would respect the owner for driving a legend .

Just my thoughts and feelings don't judge and slag me off for diving a **** uk turbo as i could't give a **** its mine and i love it