Daily driver 2.4 or 2.5 project - target 450 BHP/400lbft reliable
We had Orange in on Friday helping with a web seminar for us. The new 3G technology supports a 2Mb net connection from one of their PDA's. A laptop or PC connected in-car and some simple remote PC software and you could do it easily 
Stefan

Stefan
You can in theory do it now.
GPRS connected lappy and use r/c software to control it from the comfort of your armchair @ home.
No more sweating about the ability of the driver of the car you're mapping, when you just drop the lappy in the car, connect it up & send him off with instructions
GPRS connected lappy and use r/c software to control it from the comfort of your armchair @ home.
No more sweating about the ability of the driver of the car you're mapping, when you just drop the lappy in the car, connect it up & send him off with instructions
I wouldn't want to put my laptop in the car either - just use a mobile phone data connection to extend the length of the serial cable. Would work OK for reading, but I wouldn't want to try and write over such a dodgy connection......there's not much error control on Flash99 
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I wouldn't want to put my laptop in the car either - just use a mobile phone data connection to extend the length of the serial cable. Would work OK for reading, but I wouldn't want to try and write over such a dodgy connection......there's not much error control on Flash99 
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P1 suspension fitted. The ride quality is improved over Eibachs/MY00 dampers IMHO, the handling is excellent - ideal for fast road.
All leaks of vital fluids now stopped for the time being.
The extra compression seems to require a couple of degrees retard but it is still quite advanced and feels at least as quick.
iON turbo awaited.
Need to crack on with altering the coolant temperature signal to help cold start with a resistor. Also need to map this MAP converter and get the air filter changed.
All leaks of vital fluids now stopped for the time being.
The extra compression seems to require a couple of degrees retard but it is still quite advanced and feels at least as quick.
iON turbo awaited.
Need to crack on with altering the coolant temperature signal to help cold start with a resistor. Also need to map this MAP converter and get the air filter changed.
John, what are the specs regarding the ion turbo i.e size/fitment, power(nothing too technical
) gonna get my car running on the 05/06 first but will probaly be looking at another turbo towards the end of the year, may as well push for a little bit more now i have the internals & higher rev limit
Scott
) gonna get my car running on the 05/06 first but will probaly be looking at another turbo towards the end of the year, may as well push for a little bit more now i have the internals & higher rev limitScott
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Only rated at 400 John ?
Add a bit compression and remove your inlet restriction and you never know, it might just top the 440bhp it made on a 2.0 
Andy
434 BHP (at 1.27 bar), 395 lbft (at 1.4 bar) at Star today.
Standard MY02 WRX did 212, P1 did c.270 as benchmarks.
Standard MY02 WRX did 212, P1 did c.270 as benchmarks.

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Was going to map with the MAF sensor disconnected today, but I took my last license and ECU and they fried when programmed.
With no live adjustability (have to pull in and map it each time) and other requirements I think it is finally time to get a standalone, I think the OEM ECU could do it, but the programming in car with the number of flashes I have to do is getting impractical when you need whole new maps from scratch with a MAP sensor.
So time to move onto another ECU I think (standalone). Wondering about plug in MoTeC or GEMS. Individual cylinder trimming, wideband input are required, plus ideally some knock control.
Thought about a PowerFC but the lack of laptop software and datalogging, plus keeping the MAF put me off.
With GEMS I presume you can connect a charge temperature sensor even if the original car doesn't have one?
With no live adjustability (have to pull in and map it each time) and other requirements I think it is finally time to get a standalone, I think the OEM ECU could do it, but the programming in car with the number of flashes I have to do is getting impractical when you need whole new maps from scratch with a MAP sensor.
So time to move onto another ECU I think (standalone). Wondering about plug in MoTeC or GEMS. Individual cylinder trimming, wideband input are required, plus ideally some knock control.
Thought about a PowerFC but the lack of laptop software and datalogging, plus keeping the MAF put me off.
With GEMS I presume you can connect a charge temperature sensor even if the original car doesn't have one?
I have a Motec M48R Pro and find it excellent to use, only issue I am having at the mo is getting a decent cold start. Almost there!
The new Motec ecus are meant to be superb though. Though I quite like using the dos software tbh!
Motec will do everything you asked there.
ChristianR is selling his m48r pro with software at the mo too.
The new Motec ecus are meant to be superb though. Though I quite like using the dos software tbh!
Motec will do everything you asked there.
ChristianR is selling his m48r pro with software at the mo too.
Mine is a plug in Motec ECU.
Fits into the standard ECU case. Bought from Autosportif.
GroupN spec ECU and I think the rules are you have to be able to plug in a standard ECU and it will start.
Hence my setup!
Fits into the standard ECU case. Bought from Autosportif.
GroupN spec ECU and I think the rules are you have to be able to plug in a standard ECU and it will start.
Hence my setup!
John, I would'nt entertain the Motec its far too expensive for road use and doesnt have that many more features than other alternatives. Been down the GEMS route and wasnt impressed, the software is not user friendly to say the least, lots of hidden menus and the fuel table is spread across 6 different places i.e. cranking fuel table, cold fuel table, cold fuel decay table, additional cold fuel table etc etc. It also requires a charge temp (post intercooler) sensor connecting.
I am going to use a DTA system on my project car, the software is free, easy to use and the ECU has all the features you will require (bar knock control I think) with spare PWM's to control other items like water Injection (and Nitrous if you like
). The only thing to sort out is the crank pickup wheel and splicing it into the loom (but I know you like doing things like this anyway). It uses hall effect or optical sensors as well. A bargain at £800 ish for the M8 Pro, better priced than GEMS and much better than Motec. I have seen it working on loads of bikes and also on my friends turbo charged Civic (250 HP @TW), works very well.
Have a gander at...
DTA
Conrad
I am going to use a DTA system on my project car, the software is free, easy to use and the ECU has all the features you will require (bar knock control I think) with spare PWM's to control other items like water Injection (and Nitrous if you like
). The only thing to sort out is the crank pickup wheel and splicing it into the loom (but I know you like doing things like this anyway). It uses hall effect or optical sensors as well. A bargain at £800 ish for the M8 Pro, better priced than GEMS and much better than Motec. I have seen it working on loads of bikes and also on my friends turbo charged Civic (250 HP @TW), works very well.Have a gander at...
DTA
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Must admit, I liked the look of the DTA although I remember Mark saying that Dave Wild did not like it at all. Not sure why ?
Only drawback I see is the loom adaptor (or lack of it)
Andy
Only drawback I see is the loom adaptor (or lack of it)
Andy
Looks interesting Conrad, but I would prefer plug in rather than wire in. The hassles people have had with wire in systems are huge and there are a load of connections to fail on you.
Doesn't look like the D-Jetro version of the PowerFC is available but I've made some enquiries.
GEMS does look good, been playing with the software and it doesn't look so bad. I could always get Steve or Bob to give me a mapping session so I have something to later modify. Then hopefully all the finer details will be well on the way to start with?
Doesn't look like the D-Jetro version of the PowerFC is available but I've made some enquiries.
GEMS does look good, been playing with the software and it doesn't look so bad. I could always get Steve or Bob to give me a mapping session so I have something to later modify. Then hopefully all the finer details will be well on the way to start with?




