chrisp

Any idea what the other 19 were ?

chrisp

I may have mmisunderstodd what you posted but I dont see how it can be to be honest is an MR2 faster than these 30

Figures in brackets is top speed in mph

1.AM Vantage (185)
2.Maserati Spyder
3.EB 110 (212)
4.Viper GTS (177)
5.360 Modena (180)
6.575M (202)
7.550 Maranello (199)
8.F355 (183)
9.F40 (201)
10.F50 (202)
11.XJ220 (212)
12.Lambo Murcielago (205)
13.Diablo (200)
14.Countach (180)
15.Lister Storm (200)
16.Esprit V8 (175)
17.Mclaren F1 (240)
18.Zonda C12S (220)
19.911 Turbo (189)
20.959 (197)
21.928 GTS (171)
22.TVR Cerbera (180)
23.TVR Tuscan S (190)
24.Aston Martin Vanquish (190)
25.TVR Chimaera 500 (167)
26.TVR Griffith 500 (167)
27. Maserati 4200GT (177)
28. Marcos Mantis GT 4.6 (180)
29. Audi RS4 (170)
30. Bentley Continental T (170)

Just a selection ?????????

Knock off the slowest 10 and it would need to do in excess of 180mph.

[Edited by chrisp - 1/12/2003 8:56:26 PM]

MR2Man

Chrisp, I do not have the list to hand at the moment, it was in one of the motoring mags last year, however it had specific criteria of the term 'production' and from what I recall, the car had to be 'mass' produced, ie over 1,5K cars per annum, could not be classed as a SuperCar or Dream Car such as the F1 McLaren etc so it made the list effectivel cars that the average 'man' on the street could go and buy, even if not purchased as a new car.

Most of your cars on that list would be classed as Super Cars and not production cars. I will look back thru my mags and see if I can find it.

Cosworth427

To qualify as a "production car" you need to built atleast 50 cars.

Sorry, MR2MAN, your claim that an MR2 Turbo is in the top 20 is lame.

scott8629

If you guys have read my earlyer post about the MR2 you would understand the power of these cars. I did the 1/8th of a mile and it wasted some very potent cars.

Ferrari testarossa
countles subarus unc STI
Celica GT4
Porsche Expensive 966
plus all sorts of exatica

Any scooby driver will be whipped by and MR2 Turbo if he has a Uk scoob or early import.

These cars are just stupidly quick. Have a go in the dry and be embarassed, in the wet start laughing.

Happy hunting
Scott

steve G MAN

still there not in the top 20 and never have been lol

Cosworth427

A few Subarus and an R33 Skyline can dash to 30 quicker than the McLaren F1 road car, so your 1/8 of a mile (over took a normal driver did you) means nothing.

MR2 Rob

Sorry Cosworth but he's right about the MR2 in the top 20 of Production cars for speed.

I have seen numerous references to the engine used being one of the fastest 2.0 engines produced.

So if you reckon cars are classed as 'production cars' over 50 units per year are you suggesting that the Morgan is a 'Production car' when they roll out about 70 per year and make them by hand? Don't think so.

I do get the impression that Scooby and Cosworth drivers think there are no other affordable cars out there that can equall or beat them. But then I guess we all love our own cars...

Nobody is saying Scoobys arent great - but if you look at the Engines and layout of the MR2 then you will realise why they are quick - they mimick the setup of some famous supercars and F1 cars.

steve G MAN

lol

Dream Weaver

Very true, defensive to the point of being abusive. As I said before, this shouldn't be about which car is better as they both serve very different purposes, and if you look at the MR owners replies above, none of them have slated the Scoob. It is only the Scoob oweners that seem to get defensive.

I would gladly own both cars, but for now the MR meets my needs and I dont need a Scoob yet - but one day I will, especially if kids come along, not that they are a family mans sportscar

chrisp

Anybody going to back post the link to the MR2 bbs that this has obviously appeared on , my ears are burning

chrisp

Dont think I have slated the MR2, the only negative stuff was about a guy I know who wrote his off after spinning it. Whether it was the car, suspension, his driving, the conditions they all probably had a part in the incident. The top 20 stuff I just didnt understand hence my list. To me a production car is a car you can go out and buy and drive on the road. If they only make 10 so what. It means technically my car isnt a production car as its a special edition and they only made 1000.

There is suppose to be a cossie/scoob santa pod shootout early this year maybe a few MR2 T might want to come out and play ? Is the MR2 club playing in the 2003 - 10 of the best ?

MR Turbo

Well this should be interesting - after owning a cossie (sold 4 weeks ago) to a MR2 Rev3 i will be up the POD to beat my 13.5 - i know this car is quicker off the mark, the 300+ Mr2`s run in the late 12`s and lower i have been told.

Mr Turbo

Dream Weaver

Chrisp - is there another 10 of the best at York this year?

Cosworth427

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Sorry Cosworth but he's right about the MR2 in the top 20 of Production cars for speed.

I have seen numerous references to the engine used being one of the fastest 2.0 engines produced.

So if you reckon cars are classed as 'production cars' over 50 units per year are you suggesting that the Morgan is a 'Production car' when they roll out about 70 per year and make them by hand? Don't think so.

I do get the impression that Scooby and Cosworth drivers think there are no other affordable cars out there that can equall or beat them. But then I guess we all love our own cars...

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Do you actually have ANY idea what production is? A car that qualifies as a "production car" is AT LEAST ONE that is built (by hand or by assembly line) from job or customer order. Morgon applies just as much as GM as a "production car"

I personally LOVE MR-2's from all generations, and no I dont drive an Escort Cosworth, but I dont buy biased and wild claims from people who dont do any research into a matter that they comment upon.

skiddus_markus

Yes there is a 10 OTB this year.Early August.

AllanB

I was tiotally decimated by a blue MR2 turbo on the M25 a year or so ago. The things absolutely flew. Not seen a car shift like that.

Very , very quick car and I doubt most Scoobs could keep up with a tuned MR2 turbo.


AllanB

MR2 Rob

quote:

"but I dont buy biased and wild claims from people who dont do any research into a matter that they comment upon."

Do you not think that as a dedicated MR2 owner (and a non biased one) for the past year that I might have an interest in these cars and therefore would have the intelligence not to make up a list that NOT ONLY I am claiming to have seen?

Why is this claim wild? I think we might be using the wrong phraseology when we talk about production cars - maybe we should point out that we are talking about mass-produced cars, i.e: the likes of Scoobys, Cossies, MR2 Turbo's etc. and not the likes of Ferrari and McLaren F1 of low unit output which you thought we were referring to? I figured you would be thinking along the same lines.

Hey we don't have our head in the sand to the point that we think we rival those makes.

Simon220

Is that the Japanese 2 seater production car top 20 ?

MR2 Rob

no, strangely.

I didn't post to start an argument or a slagging match, just stating that I saw this document and have heard that the engine is special. Its a shame people think that the document is made up because that would be pointless.

I don't even own the turbo version so its not raising my ego or anything, I'm happy with my GT and its 160 bhp is fine for me at the moment.

Its just that nobody seems willing to accept anything that other people have seen / heard.

MR2 Rob

Just something I found to add some research to the existance of the list. Make of it what you will.

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Garage/5629/mr2review.htm

"Toyota says that accelerating from zero to 60 mph takes just 5.9 seconds, making the MR2 one of the world's 20 fastest regular production cars."

(and the US spec one was lower powered and slower than the Jap version.)

Not after any comebacks or anything...just thought I could justify some of the comments.

MR Turbo

Got to say though, they are cracking cars!!!

Cosworth427

"Mass production" cars.

1) Dodge Viper (US Version) - 192 MPH
2) Chevrolet Corvette Z06 - 180+ MPH
3) Mercedes CL 55 AMG - 180 MPH
4) Chevrolet Corvette C5 - 177 MPH
5) Porsche 996 Carerra - 177 MPH
6) Posrche 996 Carerra 4 - 174 MPH
7) Audi RS4 - 170 MPH
8)Ford Mustang Cobra R - 170 MPH
9) Porsche 928 GTS - 168 MPH
10)Porsche 993 Carerra 4 - 168 MPH
11)Nissan R34 Skyline - 165 MPH
12)Porsche 944 Turbo - 164 MPH
13)Audi RS2 - 162 MPH
14) Porsche Boxster S - 161 MPH
15) Mitsubishi 3000 GT VR4 - 160 MPH
16) Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS - 160 MPH
17) Porsche 993 Carerra 160 MPH
18) BMW 840 - 160 MPH
19) BMW 850 CI - 160 MPH
20) Mazda RX-7 MKIII - 160 MPH
21) Toyota Supra TT - 160 MPH
22) Renault Alpine A610 - 160 MPH
23)Nissan 300ZX TT - 156 MPH
24)BMW M3 (E36) - 155 MPH (Limited)
25)BMW M3 (E46) - 155 MPH (Limited)
26)BMW M5 - 155 MPH (Limited)
27)Nissan Skyline R33 - 155 MPH (Limited)
28+ - Many more cars limited to 155 MPH

Sorry, but even by eliminating production exotics the 145 MPH MR-2 Turbo is no where near the top 30 let alone the top 20.

Dream Weaver

Because car comparisons are always based purely on top speed

Dream Weaver

I would think the terms "production car" when used in the above MR2 statement, refer to mass produced normal manufacturer cars.

No MR2 is quicker than a Porsche, or a hot Audi, or a Viper etc etc, but find a manufacturer that produces many variants - i.e. Ford, Renault, Toyota, etc, manufacturers that produce cars, hatches, vans and cover the whole spectrum, not just those that specialise - Porsche, Ferrari etc, and you will probably find it will be up there with the best. You have to compare like for like.

MR2 Rob

Cosworth,

My Normally aspirated Mk2 MR2 is good for 138mph in standard factory form.

The Turbo with 240 odd bhp is good for (if my memory serves me correctly - just off the top of my head), around 165mph, not 145.

Maybe you are thinking of the non Turbo?

MR2 Rob

After a quick look I have found that most people are looking at 155+ mph for their cars out of the factory so I was around 5-10mph out - hands up on that one (as I said Im not a Turbo owner), but the later ones were definately pushing out more than 145.

As for the lists of manufacturers, I can only tell you what I've seen and read - and the reference to that website was written by an American independant journalist, not me!

WRX_280

The standard production time for the Japan Spec MR2 Turbos are 158MPH, plain and simple. I've seen 155MPH+ in mine and still pulling strongly

145MPH are rated for the US Spec MR2s, which came 20BHP less.

Cosworth427...whats your source of data? A UK Mag by any chance

Regards

http://www.imoc.co.uk/members/profile.asp?ID=650

WRX_280

By the way, i've seen 175MPH+ in 2 different stock Supras. Your source seems extremely unreliable

A_Dude

Stats for MR2s are here http://www.megaboost.co.uk/mr2

This means my N/A will go 142MPH Unfortunatly the stats for a turbo arnt on there but if a N/A can do 142MPH then a turbo should go quite a bit faster (think its 165MPH if my memory serves me correctly)

Not sure what a Scooby does as given the choice I would take a 1.2 Nova Merit over a Scooby (well, i'd take the Scooby and sell it if I'm honest)