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07 January 2003, 09:44 AM
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Another idle thought...
Is there any reason why it would be easier to put a 2.5 turbo engine in a left hand drive car that precluded it from being fitted in a right hand drive car?
Nick.
Is there any reason why it would be easier to put a 2.5 turbo engine in a left hand drive car that precluded it from being fitted in a right hand drive car?
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07 January 2003, 10:02 AM
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well glad i got that off ma chest....im slightly calmer now....its not that the u.s got the car...you should have been getting the best subaru had to offer for a long time...its that the core market, euro and such, are not getting it....it could proove a costly mistake by subaru...am i the only one looking at tvr's / audi's / bmw's.....im sure given a year or so...i may be ok with it..maybe!!!
07 January 2003, 10:23 AM
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I suspect that it will initially be a US only car. The 2.5 litre engine is made in the US, as are the Legacies that it is fitted to.
It does sound very interesting
It does sound very interesting
07 January 2003, 11:04 AM
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I was wondering whether the 2.5 US engine (based on the legacy block as Pete said) is the same as the 2.5 engine in UK legacys ?
(In which case maybe they should have used the H6 3.0 as a starting point).
Perhaps the 'Racer X' culture is getting a real foothold in the US; hence the need to appeal to that age group. After all, if the teenagers with NOS bottles get drawn in by the Scooby phenomenon, they may carry it with them to middle age; pass by the BM and Lexus garages and go with GM/Isuzu/Subaru.
I think the large US motor corporates also have an influence on this, given their ties with Jap manufacturers, given the difficult market conditions and diminishing sales of their native brands.
(In which case maybe they should have used the H6 3.0 as a starting point).
Perhaps the 'Racer X' culture is getting a real foothold in the US; hence the need to appeal to that age group. After all, if the teenagers with NOS bottles get drawn in by the Scooby phenomenon, they may carry it with them to middle age; pass by the BM and Lexus garages and go with GM/Isuzu/Subaru.
I think the large US motor corporates also have an influence on this, given their ties with Jap manufacturers, given the difficult market conditions and diminishing sales of their native brands.
07 January 2003, 11:08 AM
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The H6 engine is just a bit too long. It will fit and will work, but it is so close to the rad that servicing is more difficult and a minor front end crash could result in engine damage.
The 2.5 in a turbo engine will be a lower compression ratio than the normally aspirated version currently produced, but the block casting and crank are probably the same.
The H6 engine is just a bit too long. It will fit and will work, but it is so close to the rad that servicing is more difficult and a minor front end crash could result in engine damage.
The 2.5 in a turbo engine will be a lower compression ratio than the normally aspirated version currently produced, but the block casting and crank are probably the same.
07 January 2003, 12:16 PM
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I hate to throw a bucket of water on the bonfire, but I am kinda disappointed. Don't get me wrong, I am as happy as the village idiot after a few pints, but it also means that the cost of the car is gonna increase. All along Subaru as been saying that the price would be in line with the Evo VIII. I think we can all agree that that is pure fiction now. Also there is the insurance/theft variable. Amidst all the hoopla of the unveiling, there is one important thing that was missing.....the price/MSRP. The horsepower/feature battle is over. This round goes to Subaru, so what is it gonna cost us? Just spell it out and be done with it. There is no need to drag it out another month or two before the price is set. We already know what the Evo will cost, there is no need to hold the cards so close to the vest. And don't get me started about the dealer "market adjustment" that will be heaped on top of the pyer.
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07 January 2003, 12:38 PM
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Will fuel consumption really b that much worse. Having looked at supras & skylines of late they seem 2b around the 20mpg stats as well, unless i missed sumin 
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Also aitn the 2ltr thing sumin 2 do with the old world rally championships being 2ltr max? or again have a missed out on owt, has happened b4 so i'm told
Si
.Also aitn the 2ltr thing sumin 2 do with the old world rally championships being 2ltr max? or again have a missed out on owt, has happened b4 so i'm told
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07 January 2003, 12:57 PM
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rik1471, I am in the process of selling my old dirty socks now and one way ticket to the USA has been booked...
PS: I have one pair of smelly socks left...only two holes per foot and fairly comfy considering...you want um, 10 cents...gooing once...
PS: I have one pair of smelly socks left...only two holes per foot and fairly comfy considering...you want um, 10 cents...gooing once...
07 January 2003, 02:10 PM
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The STi will, as the saying goes, outrun everything except the gas station. Also, an impreza.net member has a brother who is an insurance agent. He was queried about how much a 300-hp WRX would be to insure, and when last found, he was still laughing.
It will be a bit spendy, but it should be. Hell, the WRX should be more expensive, to keep it out of the hands of more drivers in the U.S. Kids are playing Tommi, and sliding into all kinds of stuff. And you KNOW that the STi will be high on the "wish list" of car thieves everywhere, if only so they can drive it.
No, with that kind of profile comes attendant risk...
Still, if they were making a less tarty version in wagon form, I'd probably be in line at my dealer.
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It will be a bit spendy, but it should be. Hell, the WRX should be more expensive, to keep it out of the hands of more drivers in the U.S. Kids are playing Tommi, and sliding into all kinds of stuff. And you KNOW that the STi will be high on the "wish list" of car thieves everywhere, if only so they can drive it.
No, with that kind of profile comes attendant risk...
Still, if they were making a less tarty version in wagon form, I'd probably be in line at my dealer.
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07 January 2003, 04:25 PM
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If the US STi is to counter against the Evo, then Japan & Europe will surely get it soon. Remember, the competition between Evo & STi is at its strongest in Japan, & not the US. I think Subaru is trying to pull a fast one on Mitsubishi by offering a STi with more power than its forthcoming US Evo.
The US STi should be running with lighter boost, & on paper, it has about the same torque as the JDM car.
The US STi should be running with lighter boost, & on paper, it has about the same torque as the JDM car.
07 January 2003, 05:52 PM
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The press release from Subaru states that the 2.5 was created for the U.S. market only. It's hard to believe, however, that it won't eventually make it across the ocean to you folks.
Razor 2001-- I feel terrible you had to sell you old socks--can I send you some of ours?--Do you like argyles, perhaps?
Insurance rates may be an issue to some folks, but that's true for all performance cars. Fortunately, since my name is Oldnslow, I don't expect my rates to change much---age has its advantages...
As for petrol, don't forget, we're Americans. We don't give a **** how much it uses because gas is cheap over here. And if our supply ever starts to dwindle, we'll just go take some from Iraq, with your help of course..... Cheers.
Razor 2001-- I feel terrible you had to sell you old socks--can I send you some of ours?--Do you like argyles, perhaps?
Insurance rates may be an issue to some folks, but that's true for all performance cars. Fortunately, since my name is Oldnslow, I don't expect my rates to change much---age has its advantages...
As for petrol, don't forget, we're Americans. We don't give a **** how much it uses because gas is cheap over here. And if our supply ever starts to dwindle, we'll just go take some from Iraq, with your help of course..... Cheers.
18 April 2003, 07:38 PM
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"Don't get me wrong, I am as happy as the village idiot after a few pints, but it also means that the cost of the car is gonna increase. All along Subaru as been saying that the price would be in line with the Evo VIII. I think we can all agree that that is pure fiction now."
I apologize if this has been posted elsewhere, but the USDM STi price has been announced. See this thread at NASIOC for more information:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=347325
To sum it up:
$30,995 + $550 destination, with Total MSRP=$31,545.
That's quite cheap for what you get!
I apologize if this has been posted elsewhere, but the USDM STi price has been announced. See this thread at NASIOC for more information:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=347325
To sum it up:
$30,995 + $550 destination, with Total MSRP=$31,545.
That's quite cheap for what you get!
01 June 2003, 07:35 PM
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I doubt it's got a 2.5 litre engine. I suspect it'll have a 2 litre turbo, with around 260 Bhp. The old RS in the US had a 2.5 litre engine(from the legacy I think), but putting that in an impreza STI would require a whole lot of changes. The move is towards a global platform and i'm not sure this goes towards that goal.
[Edited by Neil Smalley - 1/6/2003 7:37:10 PM]
[Edited by Neil Smalley - 1/6/2003 7:37:10 PM]
01 June 2003, 10:09 PM
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I take it back, My reactions are it's that it's bizzare. Why would they release a fundimentally different car in the US and not the rest of the world? FHI must have R&D money to burn..
I take it back, My reactions are it's that it's bizzare. Why would they release a fundimentally different car in the US and not the rest of the world? FHI must have R&D money to burn..
All in all, this will be a very exciting year for the the U.S Scooby fans.
Here are the officil release specs...
http://impreza.subaru.com/microsites...sti/wrxsti.jsp
[Edited by dazz1 - 1/6/2003 10:10:08 PM]
01 June 2003, 10:18 PM
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I guess FHI REALLY want to take the US by storm. It does kinda make sense as the MY01 was designed to appeal to the US market and it's controversial styling was done with that in mind.
In comparison the Euro and Japanese markets are quite small so I guess Subaru want to hit the niche performance maket hard, before anyone else does.
What i'm struggling to understand is why develop a 2.5 litre car just for the US, when releasing the same car(emissions permitting) in Europe and Japan would have a similar effect on those performance markets as it will in the US. In the UK we are fortunate in that with the PPP we can get an offical 300Bhp Sti, but the rest of Europe(mostly)/Japan is out of luck. On reflection i'd rather have a 2.5L engine as a basis for tuning(although not the fuel bills)
I'd be interested to see the specs for it, I wonder how much weight it's put on for example.
[Edited by Neil Smalley - 1/6/2003 10:18:52 PM]
In comparison the Euro and Japanese markets are quite small so I guess Subaru want to hit the niche performance maket hard, before anyone else does.
What i'm struggling to understand is why develop a 2.5 litre car just for the US, when releasing the same car(emissions permitting) in Europe and Japan would have a similar effect on those performance markets as it will in the US. In the UK we are fortunate in that with the PPP we can get an offical 300Bhp Sti, but the rest of Europe(mostly)/Japan is out of luck. On reflection i'd rather have a 2.5L engine as a basis for tuning(although not the fuel bills)
I'd be interested to see the specs for it, I wonder how much weight it's put on for example.
[Edited by Neil Smalley - 1/6/2003 10:18:52 PM]
01 June 2003, 10:32 PM
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One reason why this car was released in the US the way it is. The name is Lancer Evolution. I think Subaru has taken second fiddle performance wise to the EVO in most markets for awhile now, but they wanted to make a statement in the United States. The STi is going to be at least $3-4k more than than the EVO though, but it's got alot more to offer. I'm happy with my WRX (with thousands invested in it) that I've had for 18 months but part of me wants to strip the thing down and trade it right now.
I think this thing is also gonna get very poor gas mileage. One of the rumors is that it is not coming with a radio to cut down on weight to avoid the US's "Gas Guzzler" tax. It does not come with a radio, it's a port installed option.
[Edited by dwx - 1/6/2003 10:36:40 PM]
I think this thing is also gonna get very poor gas mileage. One of the rumors is that it is not coming with a radio to cut down on weight to avoid the US's "Gas Guzzler" tax. It does not come with a radio, it's a port installed option.
[Edited by dwx - 1/6/2003 10:36:40 PM]
01 July 2003, 01:00 AM
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And one of the reason I wanted to go to work to UK/Europe was that sweet STI of yours (beside fish and chips )
But maybe Europe will first get new type STI wagon, than no doubt I will jump at the pond to swim to a Foggy Albion's coast
--Bug-eyed blue WRX wagon--
[Edited by feropont - 1/7/2003 1:01:44 AM]
But maybe Europe will first get new type STI wagon, than no doubt I will jump at the pond to swim to a Foggy Albion's coast
--Bug-eyed blue WRX wagon--
[Edited by feropont - 1/7/2003 1:01:44 AM]
01 July 2003, 04:29 AM
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You're right, JohnFelstead. Even without the DCCD, expect to see a lot of stuffed STis. Hell, guys can't even keep from stuffing the regular WRX into curbs, walls, trees and stuff.
Sadly, the driving skills of my countrymen might not be up to such a car, but we're getting it anyhow. I'm waiting for the first guy to transplant the driveline from a smashed STi into a regular WRX.
As I said somewhere else, the STi is a bit tarty for me, with the gold wheels, wing and all that jazz. The upcoming turbo Legacy (also with the 2.5-liter) will be more to my liking, in a wagon version, please.
Hey Dariogatso, while you lads were flogging "real" WRXes and P1s, we had the 165-hp RS which, cruelly, looked like your WRX, but wasn't. Can't you be happy for us? Further, who's to say the rest of the world won't be getting that car? Why would Subaru just make it for one market?
Unfortunately, I don't think the car is going to gain Subaru much of anything, except in the import tuner crowd. The WRX already put Subaru on the map in the States, as regards hairy-chested performance rides. The STi is really cool, and shows the committment of Subaru to high-performance cars for the States. But it will do for Subaru about what the S4 did for Audi...bring higher insurance premiums to its new owners.
I'm happy for the STi, because they'll get the bugs worked out of that 2.5-liter turbo driveline in time for it to go into the Legacy platform. I want to buy a glitch-free car.
Kevin
[Edited by kevvwil - 1/7/2003 4:34:52 AM]
Sadly, the driving skills of my countrymen might not be up to such a car, but we're getting it anyhow. I'm waiting for the first guy to transplant the driveline from a smashed STi into a regular WRX.
As I said somewhere else, the STi is a bit tarty for me, with the gold wheels, wing and all that jazz. The upcoming turbo Legacy (also with the 2.5-liter) will be more to my liking, in a wagon version, please.
Hey Dariogatso, while you lads were flogging "real" WRXes and P1s, we had the 165-hp RS which, cruelly, looked like your WRX, but wasn't. Can't you be happy for us? Further, who's to say the rest of the world won't be getting that car? Why would Subaru just make it for one market?
Unfortunately, I don't think the car is going to gain Subaru much of anything, except in the import tuner crowd. The WRX already put Subaru on the map in the States, as regards hairy-chested performance rides. The STi is really cool, and shows the committment of Subaru to high-performance cars for the States. But it will do for Subaru about what the S4 did for Audi...bring higher insurance premiums to its new owners.
I'm happy for the STi, because they'll get the bugs worked out of that 2.5-liter turbo driveline in time for it to go into the Legacy platform. I want to buy a glitch-free car.
Kevin
[Edited by kevvwil - 1/7/2003 4:34:52 AM]
01 July 2003, 09:27 AM
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Funny thing is it looks like the americans will have to solve there own problems now and cant depend on the aussies and the brits to sort their problems out 
. Nope seriously good luck I hope its a cracker and if it sells well we may get one in 2030
[Edited by chrisp - 1/7/2003 9:29:25 AM]
. Nope seriously good luck I hope its a cracker and if it sells well we may get one in 2030 [Edited by chrisp - 1/7/2003 9:29:25 AM]
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