rich1231

Mr Evo,
any sane person deciding to use WOMD is "wrong". In the sense that personally they are taking a decision that will cost many people their lives. No person will take such a decision and skip off down the pub for a cheerful beer.

It is wrong to cause or wish harm on others. No belief system that dictates otherwise is valid. No point of view that advocates the harming of others because they do not equal your mental capacity is valid. The dropping of bombs on Japan was regrettable but it did shorten the war and save lives (on both sides). You can bleat on however you like but it changes this not one iota.

Katana

So as starting a war. It doesn't matter if its conventional or nukes, the end result is the same. Dead civillians and more importantly, high petrol prices..

Claudius

Yes, but the thing is the majority isnt always right. Like a few hundred years ago, when everybody believed that the earth is a disc. In fact, the masses just need to agree on a point, wrong or right, and they will throw stones on men who are more intelligent than themselves or to burn women who they think are witches.

I said it before, and I am saying it again: the majority of people are stupid. Their opinions dont mean jack; as a consequence, democracy isnt the system that should prevail; monarchy should. Intelligent, good monarchy, not dictatorship.

Makalu

Why cant we all just get along?

I think it all comes down to greed. And unfortunately, greed can be found in every race and religion.

I just wanna dig a big hole and crawl in it for a few years... my family dont deserve this crap!

Mak.

Katana

You and me both mate. Andy yeah, agree with you..

TelBoy

Claudius, but isn't a democracy the best way of making the masses think they're happy, since there's always the carrot of being able to elect out something you don't like in x number of years' time?

I agree that many people don't know a lot about much at all, but surely living in peace, which democracy by and large achieves, is a good starting point?

fastmoverP1AH

put it like this i am in the army and i say these people have to be stopped war is inevitable. It is not about the US having WOMD it is about people having them who are willing to use them. the US russia and china as well as ourselves have had them for years and not used them but some of the religious fanatics who would die for their religion would that is the difference.

Claudius

In theory, yes; but most people have realised by now that they can only change from one party that doesnt keep its promises to one or two other ones that will do the same, so I would only regard your point as partially and theoretically valid.

There are monarchies who live in peace. Why would you need a democracy to achieve living in peace? Having a say every so many years (for whatever it's worth ) doesnt mean you live in peace, or vice versa.

TelBoy

No, agreed. Although in democracies where religious divides aren't a big issue, it certainly has a decent track record.

To be honest though, i'm struggling to think of monarchic countries where the monarch is anything more than a figurehead, so i can't really comment on your statement. Lesotho perhaps?!

But i'd still be sceptical about that set-up. As they say, power corrupts. I'd be amazed if a true monarch wouldn't abuse his/her authority to some extent, at some point. But i'm happy to be educated otherwise...

Claudius

The only example of a country that is like I say that springs to mind right now would be the Principality of Monaco, not far from where I live in the South of France. The Prince Rainier III has the right of life and death on his subjects (the people who hold Monacan nationality) as well as the executive power. Not that he ever had anybody killed, though. Not a dictatorship, just a monarchy. The country's doing well economically (excedentary) and politics are stable in an absolute way. People there live a peaceful life without the right to vote. I never heard anybody from there complain about that.

dba

Mr evolution, i'm sorry, but all i can see is an "academic" style of writing which is masking a fundamentally flawed thought train.

Telboy,

I agree entirely with your comment above and i would add its also a style that is in complete contrast to the juvenile splutterings earlier in the thread.

Starting an arguement with comments about "nasty Islam",killing 90% of the worlds population,laughing at the tele on 9/11 etc etc folowed by attempt at intelligence sorta makes me wonder whether this is one great big wind up.

CraigH

Mr Evolution,

All you've done is condone terrorism. Yes, some things the western countries have done are bad in cases. With greed being the motivating factor.

But (for the most part) they haven't been cowardly killing innocent people - and they ARE (in the majority) innocent. You said something like people who vote leaders in are just as accountable as the leader.
In that case is everyone from Afghanistan, India, Pakistan, Iraq, Libya etc all accountable as terrorists?

No they're not.

I disagree sometimes with the Western powers "stick waving" - but when it comes down to it - that's life. Survival of the fittest and all that bull (except with the americans it's survival of the fattest )

Think of it this way - in the animal kingdom, USA would be a lion and the rest of the world would be an antelope - lion doing what it wanted, when it wanted to suit it (and one day the antelopes will think, "fvck this, theres more of us let's go kick those lions 4sses )

Things will change. All Superpowers have their day. Thank fvck I won't be around to see it all go t1ts up. I hope.